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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: hepatel on January 04, 2026, 05:07:29 am
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Please see the red arrow on the image where i was parked.
for many years no enforcement. council only started enforcement from dec 2025
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Please tell us where you parked your car.
GSV and also the photos shows double-yellow lines on an urban street and an area where cars are parked which by being by the double-yellow lines, means they apply to that space however barmy that may sound to you.
Hi parked on a space where it looks like a lay-by or parking space. Please see attached picture where another vehicle is parked. This is where I was parked
OK, as I suspected. The double-yellow signs apply to that space. However, from your narrative, you have parked there regularly for some time, and not received a PCN, so either a "new broom" has taken over enforcement in Salford, or it is a new CEO that served the PCN. Their letter rejecting your challenge is tosh, because it seems obsessed with the loading bay, despite the fact that it is the double-yellow lines that are the restriction and you haven't claimed you were loading.
What you could do if you are prepared to take the "double-or-quits" gamble, is wait for the Notice to Owner and submit formal representations based on what is called "legitimate expectation" of parking there as you have parked for many years without penalty. This argument only works once if you get the PCN cancelled, because obviously you woold then no longer have an expectation of no penalty. The downside of waiting for the NtO is that you lose the discount option that they have re-offered for 14 days.
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Please tell us where you parked your car.
GSV and also the photos shows double-yellow lines on an urban street and an area where cars are parked which by being by the double-yellow lines, means they apply to that space however barmy that may sound to you.
Hi parked on a space where it looks like a lay-by or parking space. Please see attached picture where another vehicle is parked. This is where I was parked
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Please tell us where you parked your car.
GSV and also the photos shows double-yellow lines on an urban street and an area where cars are parked which by being by the double-yellow lines, means they apply to that space however barmy that may sound to you.
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google link to the area parked
https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Phlebotomy+Centre/@53.5802611,-2.4276866,3a,75y,229.84h,91.61t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slvoSZgVR3s8kfeQZ0tJ3wQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-1.6099999999999994%26panoid%3DlvoSZgVR3s8kfeQZ0tJ3wQ%26yaw%3D229.84!7i16384!8i8192!4m16!1m8!3m7!1s0x487ba7e9766d41e5:0x445a5821a14c436b!2sThe+Phlebotomy+Centre!8m2!3d53.5800925!4d-2.4273835!10e5!16s%2Fg%2F11lgn4vkns!3m6!1s0x487ba7e9766d41e5:0x445a5821a14c436b!8m2!3d53.5800925!4d-2.4273835!10e5!16s%2Fg%2F11lgn4vkns?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTIwOS4wIKXMDSoKLDEwMDc5MjA2OUgBUAM%3D
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Thank you for your correspondence regarding the above mentioned Penalty Charge Notice. After consideration of the circumstances expressed in your letter I am unable to waive the charge. Loading restrictions are indicated by yellow markings on the kerb and a time plate that shows when the loading restriction applies. No parking or loading/unloading is allowed during these times to ensure the smooth flow of traffic. A double kerb marking means that the restrictions apply 24 hours a day. A single kerb marking means the restrictions are in force during the times shown on the time plate. Where there are no days shown on the time plate, the restrictions are in force 7 days a week. Parking within a loading ban area not only contravenes parking regulations but also restricts visibility for both drivers and pedestrians, increasing the risk of accidents and compromising road safety. Please be advised there is no signage required for a loading restriction with a double kerb marking as the restriction is active 24/7. Directorate of Place You must now decide whether to PAY the penalty charge or whether to APPEAL: The discounted charge of £35.00 can be paid if we receive your payment within 14 days of the date of this letter. The full charge of £70.00 can be paid within 28 days of the date your PCN was issued. You can formally challenge your PCN once the Notice to Owner has been issued. The vehicle's owner will automatically receive the form to appeal if the PCN has not been paid within 28 days of being issued. The Notice to Owner offers you the chance to formally challenge your PCN or pay the full £70.00. If you decide to formally challenge your PCN, please do not write to us again until the Notice to Owner arrives. If your formal challenge is declined, you will have the right to appeal to The Traffic Penalty Tribunal, who are an independent adjudicator.
PCN No. B091********
Vehicle: R*******
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to formally challenge the above Penalty Charge Notice issued on 22/12/2025 at Woods Court, Bolton.
I have been parking in this location for many years under the genuine belief that it was part of the NatWest customer car park, as I was informed this was permitted for bank customers. I have always parked there for that reason and have never been previously informed of any restrictions applying to this area.
If any new parking rules or restrictions have recently come into force, I did not see any clear or visible signage indicating this. I parked there in good faith and had no intention of committing any contravention.
Given the genuine misunderstanding, my long-standing use of this area, and the unclear signage, I kindly request that this PCN be cancelled as a gesture of goodwill.
Thank you for your time and understanding.
Yours faithfully,
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Thank you for your correspondence regarding the above mentioned Penalty Charge Notice. After consideration of the circumstances expressed in your letter I am unable to waive the charge. Loading restrictions are indicated by yellow markings on the kerb and a time plate that shows when the loading restriction applies. No parking or loading/unloading is allowed during these times to ensure the smooth flow of traffic. A double kerb marking means that the restrictions apply 24 hours a day. A single kerb marking means the restrictions are in force during the times shown on the time plate. Where there are no days shown on the time plate, the restrictions are in force 7 days a week. Parking within a loading ban area not only contravenes parking regulations but also restricts visibility for both drivers and pedestrians, increasing the risk of accidents and compromising road safety. Please be advised there is no signage required for a loading restriction with a double kerb marking as the restriction is active 24/7. Directorate of Place You must now decide whether to PAY the penalty charge or whether to APPEAL: The discounted charge of £35.00 can be paid if we receive your payment within 14 days of the date of this letter. The full charge of £70.00 can be paid within 28 days of the date your PCN was issued. You can formally challenge your PCN once the Notice to Owner has been issued. The vehicle's owner will automatically receive the form to appeal if the PCN has not been paid within 28 days of being issued. The Notice to Owner offers you the chance to formally challenge your PCN or pay the full £70.00. If you decide to formally challenge your PCN, please do not write to us again until the Notice to Owner arrives. If your formal challenge is declined, you will have the right to appeal to The Traffic Penalty Tribunal, who are an independent adjudicator.
PCN No. B091********
Vehicle: R*******
Dear Sir/Madam,
I am writing to formally challenge the above Penalty Charge Notice issued on 22/12/2025 at Woods Court, Bolton.
I have been parking in this location for many years under the genuine belief that it was part of the NatWest customer car park, as I was informed this was permitted for bank customers. I have always parked there for that reason and have never been previously informed of any restrictions applying to this area.
If any new parking rules or restrictions have recently come into force, I did not see any clear or visible signage indicating this. I parked there in good faith and had no intention of committing any contravention.
Given the genuine misunderstanding, my long-standing use of this area, and the unclear signage, I kindly request that this PCN be cancelled as a gesture of goodwill.
Thank you for your time and understanding.
Yours faithfully,
(https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Phlebotomy+Centre/@53.5802611,-2.4276866,3a,75y,229.84h,91.61t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1slvoSZgVR3s8kfeQZ0tJ3wQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-1.6066833855815617%26panoid%3DlvoSZgVR3s8kfeQZ0tJ3wQ%26yaw%3D229.84454582704524!7i16384!8i8192!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x487ba7e9766d41e5:0x445a5821a14c436b!2sThe+Phlebotomy+Centre!8m2!3d53.5800925!4d-2.4273835!16s%2Fg%2F11lgn4vkns!3m5!1s0x487ba7e9766d41e5:0x445a5821a14c436b!8m2!3d53.5800925!4d-2.4273835!16s%2Fg%2F11lgn4vkns?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTIwOS4wIKXMDSoKLDEwMDc5MjA2OUgBUAM%3D)
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Welcome, Hepatel, to FTLA.
At the moment, all we know is that this appears to be a letter of of rejection of challenge or a formal Notice of Rejection from a council outside London.
So, as usual, for meaningful advice please have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and post up here
(use
ibb.co (https://imgbb.com/) or https://imgpile.com/
for posting images.
Wherever possible, use the BBCode.)
a brief account of the circumstances which gave rise to the PCN,
both sides of the unredacted PCN ( - leave everything in),
a copy of yr challenge,
a copy of their rejection,
copies of any other documents to/from the Council,
only redact yr name & address from documents - leave everything else in),
a GSV link to the location,
and any council photos/video.
Please post copies of documents, not transcripts.
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Thank you for your correspondence regarding the above mentioned Penalty Charge Notice. After consideration of the circumstances expressed in your letter I am unable to waive the charge. Loading restrictions are indicated by yellow markings on the kerb and a time plate that shows when the loading restriction applies. No parking or loading/unloading is allowed during these times to ensure the smooth flow of traffic. A double kerb marking means that the restrictions apply 24 hours a day. A single kerb marking means the restrictions are in force during the times shown on the time plate. Where there are no days shown on the time plate, the restrictions are in force 7 days a week. Parking within a loading ban area not only contravenes parking regulations but also restricts visibility for both drivers and pedestrians, increasing the risk of accidents and compromising road safety. Please be advised there is no signage required for a loading restriction with a double kerb marking as the restriction is active 24/7. Directorate of Place You must now decide whether to PAY the penalty charge or whether to APPEAL: The discounted charge of £35.00 can be paid if we receive your payment within 14 days of the date of this letter. The full charge of £70.00 can be paid within 28 days of the date your PCN was issued. You can formally challenge your PCN once the Notice to Owner has been issued. The vehicle's owner will automatically receive the form to appeal if the PCN has not been paid within 28 days of being issued. The Notice to Owner offers you the chance to formally challenge your PCN or pay the full £70.00. If you decide to formally challenge your PCN, please do not write to us again until the Notice to Owner arrives. If your formal challenge is declined, you will have the right to appeal to The Traffic Penalty Tribunal, who are an independent adjudicator.