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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: kurczaczek on December 27, 2025, 06:20:24 pm

Title: Re: NPC parking ticket - Debt recovery already started. Liverpool
Post by: RichardW on March 09, 2026, 10:21:51 pm
Yes,defend all.

It would be ideal if you were not the driver, since their POC refers only to the driver. If you were, just needs more careful writing of the defence.
Title: Re: NPC parking ticket - Debt recovery already started. Liverpool
Post by: InterCity125 on March 09, 2026, 11:11:06 am
The original NtK is NOT PoFA compliant so there is no legal route to keeper liability in this matter assuming that the driver is NEVER revealed.
Title: Re: NPC parking ticket - Debt recovery already started. Liverpool
Post by: kurczaczek on March 09, 2026, 11:04:26 am
If you complete the acknowledgement of service via MCOL this will buy some more time.

Have you responded to any of the previous correspondence and revealed who was driving?

Thank you.

Regarding MCOL, acknowledgement. Would it be recommended to try defend all of this claim?

I have not responded to the previous correspondence nor revealed who was driving.
Title: Re: NPC parking ticket - Debt recovery already started. Liverpool
Post by: RichardW on March 09, 2026, 10:15:25 am
If you complete the acknowledgement of service via MCOL this will buy some more time.

Have you responded to any of the previous correspondence and revealed who was driving?
Title: Re: NPC parking ticket - Debt recovery already started. Liverpool
Post by: kurczaczek on March 08, 2026, 08:43:51 pm
Hello,



Thank you very much for your previous reply. I am truly sorry to return to this matter again.



Unfortunately, the past few months have been extremely difficult for me. I currently struggle with CPTSD and other related issues, which at times significantly affect my ability to function normally for extended periods. During this time, I have largely been focused on basic day-to-day survival, which unfortunately delayed. Hence, the reason for my struggle.



However, I have recently received a letter from HM Courts & Tribunals Service, which requires a response from me as soon as possible. Because of this, I am now returning to this matter.



At the time of the events, I was not in a position to think clearly. Nevertheless, I did manage to gather the available evidence, which I am sharing here:



https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1L6lHJgolRI6VEB2BjjGPMFNfCcYZTcpK?usp=share_link



Regarding the requested information:



A) “Your tenancy agreement (AST) – the pages that mention:”

After reviewing the tenancy agreement, I could not find any mention relating to the use or restrictions of the car park spaces.



B) “If you are a leaseholder (or your landlord is a leaseholder and you can obtain it), we need the lease clauses that refer to:”

Unfortunately, I rent through a letting agency, and based on my previous contact with them, I believe it is unlikely that I will be able to obtain the lease documentation from the landlord.



C) “Evidence of what you were told and when:”



D) “The PCN / Notice to Keeper and the signage terms:”



E) “Who issued what:”




I have also attached additional evidence showing parking conditions at the property during the relevant time period. These photos clearly show the same parking area and demonstrate that the car park was frequently overloaded, with very limited available spaces.



Also attached evidence of letters frequently not arrive in a timely manner and can sometimes take anywhere from 5 days up to around two weeks to reach the property entrance or be passed on to residents.


For quite some time I have effectively been forced to park on the opposite street due to the lack of parking availability at the property. Thankfully I now have a permit, which has made the situation somewhat easier.
Title: Re: NPC parking ticket - Debt recovery already started. Liverpool
Post by: b789 on December 27, 2025, 07:02:29 pm
A few important points up front, because your post uses the word “fine” repeatedly and that is exactly the language these firms want you to adopt.

1. This is not a “fine”. A private parking company (NPC/National Parking Control) cannot issue fines or penalties. Only public authorities (and a very limited number of statutory bodies in specific circumstances) can impose a fine/penalty. What NPC have issued is a speculative private invoice, dressed up to look and feel like an official penalty. They will call it a “Parking Charge Notice” (PCN) and the money is claimed as an alleged contractual charge or alleged damages for breach of terms.

I challenge you to show me even a single occurrence of the word "fine" in your PCN.

2. Debt collectors add nothing of legal value. DCBL are not a court, not enforcement agents, and cannot add powers that NPC do not have. Their letters are designed to intimidate and rush payment. The added £70 is a typical “debt recovery” add-on which is widely disputed and almost never recoverable in court. In any event, you do not “have to call them” and you do not have to “discuss repayment” with a debt collector. They are powerless and all they can do is try and intimidate the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.

3. The real issue here is your right to park as a resident. This is a residential car park serving flats. The key question is not “were you on double yellow lines”, but “what rights does your lease/tenancy give you, and can a third-party contractor override those rights”.

In residential cases, the starting point is your lease/AST (tenancy) and any associated documents it incorporates (e.g. regulations, parking schedules, site plans, variation deeds, residents’ handbook if expressly incorporated, etc.). If your agreement grants a right to park, or grants “quiet enjoyment” plus use of common parts including parking, or grants a permit/space or an easement/licence to park, then NPC cannot simply arrive later and impose a new contractual regime on top of your pre-existing rights unless your lease/AST allows that variation.

Equally, if your tenancy is silent on parking, it does not automatically mean NPC can invoice you either. It simply means we must look at what rights you have via the landlord/freeholder/management company arrangements and what authority (if any) NPC were given to regulate residents, including whether that authority extends to charging residents, and whether proper consultation/variation was done if required.

What we need from you before anyone can give proper, case-specific advice. Please do not send a long story again. What matters is documents and the exact wording. We need the following:

A) Your tenancy agreement (AST) – the pages that mention:

• the property demised (what you rent)
• any rights granted (common parts, parking, accessways)
• any clauses about regulations/estate rules/variation/permits
• any clause that says you must comply with “regulations as amended from time to time” (wording matters)

B) If you are a leaseholder (or your landlord is a leaseholder and you can obtain it), we need the lease clauses that refer to:

• any granted right to park / use of car park
• any “regulations” clause (often the management company can make reasonable regulations, but that does not automatically allow them to create a paid contractual charge)
• any clause allowing third-party enforcement or charging

C) Evidence of what you were told and when:

• the A4 notice dated 29 September 2025 (photo if possible)
• any emails/letters from HHL / your letting agent about NPC
• the date you actually received the permit, and any envelope showing postmarks if you still have it

D) The PCN/Notice to Keeper and the signage terms:

• both sides/all pages of the NPC PCN and any subsequent Notice to Keeper (with personal data redacted)
• photos of the signs as they were around early October 2025 and as they are now (you’ve said they changed)
• the wording that allegedly creates the “contract” and the amount demanded

E) Who issued what
Confirm whether the £170 letter is:

• a “debt recovery” demand only, or
• a “Letter of Claim/Letter Before Claim” threatening court proceedings.

The headings and the reply forms matter. A genuine Letter of Claim usually encloses reply forms and gives 30 days, not 14.

Immediate position (without the documents)
Based on what you have described (residential car park, introduced contractor, confusing and changing signage, permits not issued to residents at the start, postal delays, and enforcement against residents), it is extremely highly likely there is a strong challenge available on “authority/primacy of contract” grounds once we see your AST/lease wording.

But until we see the AST/lease terms, nobody should tell you to “just pay” or “just appeal” in a way that accidentally admits liability or accepts a contract with NPC. The paperwork controls the outcome here.

What you should do right now

1. Stop calling it a fine. In every communication, refer to it as an “invoice/parking charge”.
2. Do not contact DCBL about “repayment”. They are irrelevant.
3. Get the documents above together. Redact name/address/VRM, but leave dates, wording, location, and the substance untouched.
4. If you receive an actual Letter of Claim (30 days, reply pack), that changes what you do next. Until then, treat debt letters as noise.

Final point
Your post suggests stress, low funds, and poor building management. That is understood. However, the legal solution here is evidence-driven: your right to park (if any) and NPC’s authority (if any). Once you provide the AST/lease clauses and the PCN wording, we can tell you precisely whether NPC have any standing to demand payment from a resident and what the correct next steps are.

In simple terms, an invoice from NPC cannot override your existing rights. You do not owe anything unless a judge says you do and the odds of that happening are very low to zero. Just tell us what your lease/AST says about parking. What it doesn't say about parking is equally important.

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Title: NPC parking ticket - Debt recovery already started. Liverpool
Post by: kurczaczek on December 27, 2025, 06:20:24 pm
Hello,

I am looking for some advice and to see whether there is anything that could be done regarding this matter.

Location: Liverpool
Reason for Contravention: Parked on double yellow lines
Notice by: NPC (National Parking Control)

Received a ticket for parking on double yellow lines, on the private car park that belongs to 2 blocks of flats, 1 of them where I live. Fenced area, "security booth" - that serves as entrance to the car park.

Now I am having a massive issue with it. There is actually a lot going on regarding this car park.

First I have received the letter informing of the ticket fine. Letter was already delayed at least a week.
Reason for that is that the property management company that is HHL distributes the post. Which should be delivered at least couple of times within a week. In reality it is minimum 7 days of delay.
Fine is £60 paid within 14 days, after it is £100.

I struggle with some personal stuff as well, at the minute when it arrived I couldn't afford it as all I do is survival those days. If I would have some more of that initial time I would probably pay the initial fine £60. However I couldn't. That directly after went to £100 and shortly after without any reminder or information or contact straight to debt recovery.

Received letter from DCBL - Notice of debt recovery - £170 (£100 fine + £70 charge I presume).
As usual letter dated for 16.12.2025, thrown at the doorstep on 23.12.2025, just before the Christmas Eve, and I have 14 days from the date of the letter to either pay or call them to discuss repayment. This is just insane considering ongoing holidays.

Now I will proceed to the background story for the car park.
I moved in this place around 2 years back. Car park was never managed to the point that there was and still is till today a lot of "abandoned" cars that take space. We've been promised this will be dealt with but have never been.

People would park the way they could, on double yellow lines (just next to the wall), especially throughout the weekends. That would be ongoing since I've moved in.

Now NPC has been introduced without clear rules or in general in very misleading way around October 2025.
There was no information from HHL or my property agency. On 29th of September A4 paper on doorstep that NPC will be managing the car park from the 2nd of October 2025.
30 of September they have put the signs in place which brought everyone to confusion since signs require you to have a valid NPC permit to be able to park there. No one at all has received any permit. People were angry.
I've managed to call HHL after they claimed "NPC has put wrong sings in place". When they were changed I don't know, certainly without information about changes. Today they are different.
Massive confusion, no one knows what is happening

Parking situation remains same, people park in same spots, parking overloaded. Cars parked on sidewalk, double lines, wherever they can.

Now I've received the fine for my car being parked on 2nd of November 2025, Sunday on double yellow lines.
As far as I remember my car was never parked improperly or outside of bay unless there would not be a space.
Since received as well fine for parking on street that used to be daily checked I've been waiting for the permit at the same time. So there was no good situation here.

From the evidence photos it is clearly visible the car has been park on yellow double lines, however as closely as possible facing the wall, making sure there is a lot of clearance. And meanwhile you could see other car parked in exactly same manner behind, plus visible bays being full.

Turns out as well permit was sent on 27th of October 2025. Just before mentioned fine. And has arrived only after mentioned date. Between Monday to Wednesday (can't recall properly).

Seems like all I am having is bad luck and issues with this property. If not that there is rats in engine bay from mentioned car park. Mice in walls ceiling. I am just depressed at the minute.
I cannot even afford that right now, I've got priority bills to catch up with.

On top of that I've checked my tenancy agreement and there is no mention about parking space so I guess...

Is there anything that could be done regarding this situation?