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Live cases legal advice => Speeding and other criminal offences => Topic started by: nefoc on December 18, 2025, 04:26:54 pm
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Thankfully the deal worked. Phew, although they didn't remove until the last minute in court..
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But you must have had a response if you know you have a court date tomorrow.
No response to the deal offer.
That sounds like a defence to the FtP charge. If you mention all that the prosecutor may not accept your offer.
For the sake of completeness/the benefit of the hind mind...
Received wisdom is that a court ought to reject a guilty plea where a defence is disclosed. I would be surprised if disclosing a defence to the charge the OP is asking the prosecution to drop, unless done in a particularly confrontational manner, would cause the prosecutor to refuse the deal.
However, on the assumption that the OP is the RK, not receiving the NIP incorporating the s. 172 requirement, would seem to disclose the defence of non-service of the NIP to the speeding charge he is offering to plead guilty to.
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Well I submitted the deal and have had no response. Court tomorrow.
But you must have had a response if you know you have a court date tomorrow.
I also have proof of failed mail deliveries to my home address at a similar time last year to the notice along side some proof I have taken of mail incorrectly delivered to me that should have gone to my neighbours from Dec Jan once I was aware of this action.
That sounds like a defence to the FtP charge. If you mention all that the prosecutor may not accept your offer.
Ask to see the prosecutor when you check in at court. When you do, simply say that you did not receive the request but are willing to plead guilty to the speeding charge provided the FtP charge is dropped. Offer no more than that unless you are asked any questions.
If you manage to see the prosecutor beforehand and your deal is accepted, the prosecutor will talk the court through it when you are called in. If you cannot see the prosecutor, make your offer when you are asked to confirm your plea.
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Well I submitted the deal and have had no response. Court tomorrow. I have copies of my letters etc to take with me including proof of receipt (signed-off). I also have proof of failed mail deliveries to my home address at a similar time last year to the notice along side some proof I have taken of mail incorrectly delivered to me that should have gone to my neighbours from Dec Jan once I was aware of this action.
Any advise on how I can get the deal proposed in the court itself?
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OK, my wife has confirmed I was driving. She recalls me parking and i do remember where we parked (as it was raining so close to hotel entrance). Sounds like I'll be using 'the deal' text. Will report back on any issues / outcome. Thanks for the support.
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The only alternative to not conducting the “deal” is to defend the s172 charge. The speeding charge cannot succeed as there is no evidence to show who was driving, and it will be discontinued.
You will have to convince the court that you did not receive either the original request or the reminder. That may be a bit of a stretch.
If you fail, you will face a hefty fine, a surcharge and costs (which is unlikely to see you walk away less than £1,000 down). But as well as that you will also have six points imposed along with an endorsement code (MS90) which will see your insurance premiums soar for up to five years.
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Sometimes it’s best not to ask a question when the answer might be inconvenient.
Doing “the deal” when you know you weren’t the driver might be problematic. Doing it when you strongly believe that you were, but aren’t sure, not so much.
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I am pretty confident that I would have been driving but cannot be 100%.
It feels risky trying to get the pic etc to verify who was driving. Will speak to my wife to see if she can recall if she drove there when she gets in tonight.
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If you are certain it was you that was driving, then doing the "deal" is the easiest way to handle it.
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Just spotted in a similar case advice to use “the deal” approach. Feels right but worth getting your input.
That depends on who was driving.
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Just spotted in a similar case advice to use “the deal” approach. Feels right but worth getting your input.
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Hi,
Just opened the letter with a deadline to plea by 26/12/25.
Offence was 7/6/25 69 in a 60
I did not receive either the S172 issued on 11/6/25 or the reminder issued on 16/7/25.
Address details are correct so odd, although I was out of the country from 12/6/25 -> 24/6/25, and across the country from 23/7/25->28/7/25
Separate note is that my son did get an S172 to the house which I shared with him via SMS on 1/8/25.
SJPN dated 05/12/25.
Looking at the car and date of the offence and a trip to the lakes that day, it was either myself the RK or my wife.
How should I respond to this SJPN, as I didn't actually receive the S172 or reminder, so don't want to plead guilty when it's not true, but also don't want to get into a painful position.