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Live cases legal advice => Speeding and other criminal offences => Topic started by: nefoc on December 18, 2025, 04:26:54 pm

Title: Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail to give Info re.driver id
Post by: nefoc on December 18, 2025, 06:24:51 pm
OK, my wife has confirmed I was driving.  She recalls me parking and i do remember where we parked (as it was raining so close to hotel entrance). Sounds like I'll be using 'the deal' text.  Will report back on any issues / outcome.  Thanks for the support.
Title: Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail to give Info re.driver id
Post by: NewJudge on December 18, 2025, 05:24:11 pm
The only  alternative to not conducting the “deal” is to defend the s172 charge. The speeding charge cannot succeed as there is no evidence to show who was driving, and it will be discontinued.

You will have to convince the court that you did not receive either the original request or the reminder. That may be a bit of a stretch.

If you fail, you will face a hefty fine, a surcharge and costs (which is unlikely to see you walk away less than £1,000 down). But as well as that you will also have six points imposed along with an endorsement code (MS90) which will see your insurance premiums soar for up to five years.
Title: Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail to give Info re.driver id
Post by: Southpaw82 on December 18, 2025, 05:06:38 pm
Sometimes it’s best not to ask a question when the answer might be inconvenient.

Doing “the deal” when you know you weren’t the driver might be problematic. Doing it when you strongly believe that you were, but aren’t sure, not so much.
Title: Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail to give Info re.driver id
Post by: nefoc on December 18, 2025, 04:46:52 pm
I am pretty confident that I would have been driving but cannot be 100%.

It feels risky trying to get the pic etc to verify who was driving.  Will speak to my wife to see if she can recall if she drove there when she gets in tonight. 
Title: Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail to give Info re.driver id
Post by: FuzzyDuck on December 18, 2025, 04:44:16 pm
If you are certain it was you that was driving, then doing the "deal" is the easiest way to handle it.
Title: Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail to give Info re.driver id
Post by: DWMB2 on December 18, 2025, 04:42:34 pm
Just spotted in a similar case advice to use “the deal” approach.  Feels right but worth getting your input.
That depends on who was driving.
Title: Re: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail to give Info re.driver id
Post by: nefoc on December 18, 2025, 04:37:51 pm
Just spotted in a similar case advice to use “the deal” approach.  Feels right but worth getting your input.
Title: SJPN dated 05/12/25 for 69MPH in a 60 on 07/06/25 plus Fail to give Info re.driver id
Post by: nefoc on December 18, 2025, 04:26:54 pm
Hi,

Just opened the letter with a deadline to plea by 26/12/25.

Offence was 7/6/25 69 in a 60
I did not receive either the S172 issued on 11/6/25 or the reminder issued on 16/7/25.

Address details are correct so odd, although I was out of the country from 12/6/25 -> 24/6/25, and across the country from 23/7/25->28/7/25

Separate note is that my son did get an S172 to the house which I shared with him via SMS on 1/8/25.

SJPN dated 05/12/25.

Looking at the car and date of the offence and a trip to the lakes that day, it was either myself the RK or my wife. 

How should I respond to this SJPN, as I didn't actually receive the S172 or reminder, so don't want to plead guilty when it's not true, but also don't want to get into a painful position.