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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Hashim on December 15, 2025, 02:01:25 pm

Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on February 19, 2026, 06:54:13 pm
Good afternoon

I have received this today from 'Trace debt recovery'

This is the first communication they have made with me even though they claim that they have contacted me before.

Here is the letter:

https://ibb.co/vCWNcJwH

What's next.....do I contact them to let them know that we are waiting on POPLA or just ignore it for the time being.

Thanks

Hashim


That appears to be a fairly large procedural error on the part of Euro Car Parks as you are currently in the appeals process.

I would immediately write to ECP and ask why they have released your data to a third party debt collector when you are still in the appeals process.
sorry this post is incorrect and was deleted by me.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: DWMB2 on February 19, 2026, 04:50:59 pm
@InterCity125 - note Mustek's comment immediately prior to yours - the letter from Trace Debt Recovery lists the client as "Parking Control Management UK Limited" - this letter appears to be relating to an entirely different parking charge, nothing to do with ECP.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: InterCity125 on February 19, 2026, 04:40:12 pm
Good afternoon

I have received this today from 'Trace debt recovery'

This is the first communication they have made with me even though they claim that they have contacted me before.

Here is the letter:

https://ibb.co/vCWNcJwH

What's next.....do I contact them to let them know that we are waiting on POPLA or just ignore it for the time being.

Thanks

Hashim


That appears to be a fairly large procedural error on the part of Euro Car Parks as you are currently in the appeals process.

I would immediately write to ECP and ask why they have released your data to a third party debt collector when you are still in the appeals process.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Mustek on February 19, 2026, 02:55:15 pm
@Hashim Generally ignore debt collectors. They are powerless. HOWEVER, that seems to relate to a parking charge from UK PCM (Parking Control Management), so it seems to be from another parking charge at a different place.

If you didn't get a NTK, you should get in touch with them (UK PCM, not Trace) asking what it's about, ask for proof of posting, etc...

Would suggest opening up a new post for that one.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on February 19, 2026, 02:48:19 pm
Sorry for the previous post regarding Debt recovery. it was a mistake on my part. That was relating to another incident which should have been cancelled a while ago.


Sorry about that...

Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on February 11, 2026, 04:29:16 pm
Thank you.

I will now respond with the comments that you have supplied to POPLA.

Hashim
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: InterCity125 on February 11, 2026, 02:23:20 pm
Comments on Euro Car Parks evidence.


The parking operator has not addressed the matter of 'non relevant land' - the car park is Council owned and as such PoFA cannot be applied in this location as a Council constitutes a traffic authority.

The operator briefly acknowledges that my appeal contains the above point but, rather oddly, their response never rebuts my assertion - instead the operator seemingly deviates away from the specific appeal point and starts talking about signage - as a result the non relevant land issue appears to be deliberately avoided.



Once again the operator asserts that the NtK is PoFA compliant when it is not.

In order to be compliant the NtK must contain specific text and legal choices as specified by Schedule 4 of PoFA.

In this instance, the requirements of Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2)(e) are not satisfied by the operators NtK.

To be compliant, the requirements of 9(2)(e) can only be met if a specific paragraph is placed in the NtK which should read as follows;

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
At the current time, Euro Car Parks (the creditor) does not know both the name and a current address for service for the driver.

The keeper is therefore INVITED TO PAY THE UNPAID PARKING CHARGES  (Para 9(2)(e)(i) requirement but not present on the Euro Car Parks NtK)

Or

If the keeper was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and to pass this notice onto the driver (Para 9(2)(e)(ii) requirement)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The required paragraph is clearly missing from the operators NtK.

The information must be presented in this manner to be compliant ie in one paragraph. Compliance cannot be achieved by, for example, placing the information at random points throughout the NtK since this would not present the keeper with the legal choice which 9(2)(e) requires.

The Euro Car Parks NtK never states the mandatory wording required by para. 9(2)(e).

The Euro Car Parks NtK never 'invites the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges'.

The Euro Car Parks NtK never presents the two legged legal choice which para. 9(2)(e)(i) and 9(2)(e)(ii) requires.

If the required mandatory wording and subsequent legal choice is present on the NtK then, I would ask that either Euro Car Parks or the POPLA assessor point out the required statutory wording?

In order to rely on PoFA, all requirements of Schedule 4 Paragraph 9(2) must be met - the wording is not subjective, it is 100% objective in nature.

The missing wording is immediately fatal to the operators case.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: InterCity125 on February 11, 2026, 12:56:09 pm
Perfect - all visible now.

I have quickly read through their submission.

Have only read quickly but it appears to me that they never address the issue of it being a Council owned car park??

They mention it but they do not address your assertion that PoFA cannot apply.

Will read it over again once I get time.

The NtK is not PoFA compliant anyway - we can address that when we comment on their evidence.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on February 11, 2026, 12:38:29 pm
Please try now as I have lifted the restrictions
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: InterCity125 on February 11, 2026, 12:15:52 pm
I cannot access the document.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: jfollows on February 11, 2026, 12:09:51 pm
You need to construct a response in which
I have not myself read your attachment(s) but someone else who does may have more observations.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on February 11, 2026, 12:03:12 pm
Good Morning.

I have received the following communication from POPLA:

Dear Mr Oomerjee,

Your parking charge appeal against Euro Car Parks - EW.

Euro Car Parks - EW has now uploaded its evidence to your appeal. This will be available for you to view by clicking here

Please note: some evidence may not show immediately, if it is not currently available on your account please check back later before contacting us.

You have seven days from the date of this correspondence to provide comments on the evidence uploaded by Euro Car Parks - EW.

Please note that these comments must relate to the grounds of appeal you submitted when first lodging your appeal with POPLA, we do not accept new grounds of appeal or evidence at this stage

Any comments received after the period of seven days has ended will not be considered and we will progress your appeal for assessment. Therefore, if you have any issues with the evidence uploaded by Euro Car Parks - EW such as being unable to view it online, please contact POPLA immediately via phone - 0330 1596 126, or email - info@popla.co.uk, so that we can look to rectify this as soon as possible.

After this period has ended, we will aim to issue our decision as quickly as possible. The decision we reach is final and binding. When the decision is reached there is no further option for appeal.

Yours sincerely

POPLA Team

ET6114/003


This is the link to view this document.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PU-UADmNgY3CRiHLm8W4CZ0o-s5We4LR/view?usp=sharing


What's next.......

Thanks

Hashim
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on February 10, 2026, 04:32:57 pm
Thanks.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: InterCity125 on February 10, 2026, 04:23:00 pm
Wait on POPLA.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on February 10, 2026, 03:52:10 pm
So where do we go from here. 
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: InterCity125 on February 10, 2026, 03:00:38 pm
I find that the Council's response is contradictory and seems to be an attempt to get around the 'relevant land' issue.

Schedule 4 Paragraph 3(1)(b) specifically excludes "a parking place which is provided OR controlled by a traffic authority"

The council's response ONLY deals with the 'controlled' part of the legislation.

'Vision - Redbridge Culture & Leisure' are still a company under the umbrella of Redbridge Council.

Our argument is that the car park is still 'provided' by the council (or it's direct subsidiary).

The council's response does not deal with BOTH legs of the legislation.

The legislation clearly sees both aspects as important otherwise the wording would only state 'a parking place controlled by a traffic authority' - therefore the word 'provided' must have a specific meaning which differs from the meaning of 'controlled'?

Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on February 10, 2026, 11:42:53 am
Good afternoon Intercity125

Have you had time to draft a response yet!.

Also received a response from Redbridge council as follows:

Date: 10 February 2026

Dear Mr Oomerjee

Thank you for your complaint received on 23 December 2025.

The matters you raise have been considered and the response is set out below:
The London Borough of Redbridge is the freehold owner of the land comprising Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre.

However, the leisure centre and its associated car park are demised under a long lease to Vision - Redbridge Culture & Leisure, a charitable company. Under that lease, Vision has exclusive possession and control of the premises, including responsibility for the operation and management of the car park.

The car park is operated as an ancillary facility to the leisure centre and is not managed or enforced by the Council under its statutory traffic management or civil parking enforcement powers. No Traffic Regulation Order applies to the site, and the Council does not exercise day‑to‑day control over parking at this location.

For clarity Vision - Redbridge Culture & Leisure operate as a wholly independent entity with its own Board of Management. In the circumstances, Vision is free to make its own arrangements in respect of the management of its car parks.  The car park is not operated by the Council as a traffic authority parking place.

On the basis of the lease arrangements in place, Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre car park is not excluded land for the purposes of Schedule 4, and it is therefore open to the occupier to operate parking management arrangements under private law, including reliance on Schedule 4 where the statutory conditions are met.

Vision has appointed Euro Car Parks Ltd to provide parking management services at the site, insofar as the Council can ascertain they are legally entitled to do so.

The Council is satisfied that the operator is not asserting keeper liability on land which is statutorily excluded from Schedule 4.

There is no evidence before the Council that DVLA data is being obtained or processed in an improper or misleading legal basis at this location.

Your request for the correspondence to be shared with Legal Services and the Monitoring Officer has been noted, and this response fulfils that request.

In summary:

The car park at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre is not operated by the Council as a traffic authority parking place.
The land is not excluded from Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.
Private parking enforcement arrangements at the site are capable of being lawful, subject to compliance with the applicable statutory and regulatory requirements.
I trust this clarifies the Council's position.

I regret that you felt it necessary to complain and am grateful you took the time to bring these concerns to our attention.  I hope our response has now answered and resolved the concerns you raised.

I trust that we have dealt with your complaint satisfactorily.  If, however you are not satisfied with our explanation, in some circumstances we may consider a request that your complaint is considered as a Stage 2 Review. You will need to:
provide detailed information as to why you are unhappy with our Stage 1 response
provide detailed information and evidence as to why you feel your complaint has not been answered in our Stage 1 response
provide detailed information as to the outcome you are seeking from raising a Stage 2 review
A request for a Review should be made within 20 working days. In some circumstances, we may not escalate your complaint, however, we will write to you giving our reasons for this.

A senior manager will be appointed to review your complaint, and we will write to tell you the outcome of the Stage 2 Review within 20 working days.

If you would like your complaint reviewed, please respond to this email


Yours sincerely


[REDACTED]
Business Improvement Manager
London Borough of Redbridge



www.redbridge.gov.uk
@RedbridgeLive
www.facebook.com/Redbridge
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on January 28, 2026, 02:43:45 pm
Great.

Hashim
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: InterCity125 on January 28, 2026, 02:29:31 pm

Hello

Received a further correspondence from DVLA.

https://ibb.co/wNNhMrM2


Thanks

Hashim


Okay.

She addresses some points but still sidesteps the main complaint - the clear misuse of your data once they'd obtained it.

I can draft a response - give me a couple of days.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on January 28, 2026, 01:58:07 pm

Hello

Received a further correspondence from DVLA.

https://ibb.co/wNNhMrM2


Thanks

Hashim
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: InterCity125 on January 21, 2026, 11:26:37 am
Updated the appeal as I noticed a spelling error.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: InterCity125 on January 21, 2026, 11:25:27 am
POPLA Parking Appeal for PCN reference xxxxxxxx


I am the registered keeper of vehicle registration xxxx xxx

I wish to appeal the PCN on the grounds that there is no PoFA invoked keeper liability at this car park site.

The driver is not known to the parking operator and there is no legal requirement for me to identify the driver in this circumstance.

Furthermore, the PCN issued by Euro Car Parks is unlawful as it falsely claims that PoFA can be applied in order to move liability from the unknown driver to the known keeper - this appears to be a deliberately misleading claim designed to pressure the keeper into paying.

The claim of keeper liability is also a clear breach of the operator's own Code of Conduct which EXPRESSLY PROHIBITS the mentioning of PoFA (in a PCN) in instances where PoFA cannot apply - any breach of the Code of Conduct is also a breach of the operators KADOE agreement - as a result, the keeper data released to the operator has also been misused.

Furthermore, the issues with PoFA were outlined in my original keeper appeal but again Euro Car Parks issued a response which once again mis-stated their true legal position and again implied that liability could be moved onto the keeper - this appears to illustrate the incompetence of the Euro Car Park staff who are clearly mishandling valid appeals. It also illustrates the fact that Euro Car Parks are not assessing the nature of the land before commencing their parking enforcement - as a result they are issuing unlawful and non-compliant NtKs.




The facts in the case are;

The land at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre is owned by the London Borough of Redbridge.

The London Borough of Redbridge is a Council and therefore, legally, constitutes a traffic authority.

The car park is therefore council owned and, in law, represents 'a parking place provided by a traffic authority.'

It appears that Euro Car Parks have been appointed by the council to help manage the car park.

Whilst it appears that Euro Car Parks are entitled to help manage the car park, this DOES NOT automatically make it a location where PoFA can suddenly be used to invoke keeper liability.

In particular, Schedule 4 of PoFA confirms that point as Paragraph 3(1)(b) expressly excludes 'a parking place which is provided or controlled by a traffic authority' from being 'relevant land' for the purposes of PoFA.

The car park at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre is not therefore defined as 'relevant land' for the purposes of PoFA and therefore liability can never be moved from the driver to the keeper as Euro Car Parks are continually stating.



I now invite POPLA to uphold this appeal.




Best wishes,



xxxxx xxxxxxxx

Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: InterCity125 on January 21, 2026, 11:21:19 am
Other

If it then asks for more details you should state "No keeper liability"
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on January 21, 2026, 10:49:44 am

Thank you Intercity125 for drafting the appeal.

Just looking at the appeal process, it's asking me to choose on what basis am I appealing:


1. I was not improperly parked.

2. Extreme circumstances prevented me from parking correctly.

3. Other

which one should I be picking.



Thanks
  Hashim
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: InterCity125 on January 20, 2026, 04:06:10 pm
POPLA Parking Appeal for PCN reference xxxxxxxx


I am the registered keeper of vehicle registration xxxx xxx

I wish to appeal the PCN on the grounds that there is no PoFA invoked keeper liability at this car park site.

The driver is not known to the parking operator and there is no legal requirement for me to identify the driver in this circumstance.

Furthermore, the PCN issued by Euro Car Parks is unlawful as it falsely claims that PoFA can be applied in order to move liability from the unknown driver to the known keeper - this appears to be a deliberately misleading claim designed to pressure the keeper into paying.

The claim of keeper liability is also a clear breach of the operator's own Code of Conduct which EXPRESSLY PROHIBITS the mentioning of PoFA (in a PCN) in instances where PoFA cannot apply - any breach of the Code of Conduct is also a breach of the operators KADOE agreement - as a result, the keeper data released to the operator has also been misused.

Furthermore, the issues with PoFA were outlined in my original keeper appeal but again Euro Car Parks issued a response which once again mis-stated their true legal position and again implied that liability could be moved onto the keeper - this appears to illustrate the incompetence of the Euro Car Park staff who are clearly mishandling valid appeals. It also illustrates the fact that Euro Car Parks are not accessing the nature of the land before commencing their parking enforcement - as a result they are issuing unlawful and non-compliant NtKs.




The facts in the case are;

The land at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre is owned by the London Borough of Redbridge.

The London Borough of Redbridge is a Council and therefore, legally, constitutes a traffic authority.

The car park is therefore council owned and, in law, represents 'a parking place provided by a traffic authority.'

It appears that Euro Car Parks have been appointed by the council to help manage the car park.

Whilst it appears that Euro Car Parks are entitled to help manage the car park, this DOES NOT automatically make it a location where PoFA can suddenly be used to invoke keeper liability.

In particular, Schedule 4 of PoFA confirms that point as Paragraph 3(1)(b) expressly excludes 'a parking place which is provided or controlled by a traffic authority' from being 'relevant land' for the purposes of PoFA.

The car park at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre is not therefore defined as 'relevant land' for the purposes of PoFA and therefore liability can never be moved from the driver to the keeper as Euro Car Parks are continually stating.



I now invite POPLA to uphold this appeal.




Best wishes,



xxxxx xxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on January 20, 2026, 12:15:29 pm


Dear Gents

Can someone help me with the next stage please which is Popla appeal..

thanks

Hashim
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on January 17, 2026, 10:34:34 am
Thank you for this, I will pursue with DVLA but how do I go about representing to Popla now which I believe is the next stage.

Thank you once again.


Hashim
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: InterCity125 on January 17, 2026, 10:27:03 am
I'm not sure I would suggest to DVLA what their own response wording should be, but I think the wording about their failure to properly consider is great.

If you've reached the end of the DVLA process, you can refer it to an Independent Complaints Assessor. They won't "relitigate" the issue, but will look at whether DVLA's handling was sufficient.


Point taken.

I have altered the wording slightly.

I personally feel that it is important to reflect to the DVLA the precise nature of their failing and that by setting out a potential response I feel that the goal is achieved.

Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: DWMB2 on January 17, 2026, 10:09:39 am
I'm not sure I would suggest to DVLA what their own response wording should be, but I think the wording about their failure to properly consider is great.

If you've reached the end of the DVLA process, you can refer it to an Independent Complaints Assessor. They won't "relitigate" the issue, but will look at whether DVLA's handling was sufficient.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: InterCity125 on January 17, 2026, 09:34:01 am
I would respond to the DVLA with the following...


Dear Mrs N Smith,

Thank you for your email dated 14th January 2026.

I have duly noted its contents.


Unfortunately, the response contained within, bears absolutely no relationship to the complaint which I have actually submitted.

In my step 2 complaint email, I clearly set out the three major points which needed urgently addressing with regard to the correct application of PoFA at the parking location in question - this was clearly the basis of my complaint and was also outlined at length at the step 1 complaint stage.

Your latest email clearly addresses none of those critical issues and as such my complaint continues to be completely unresolved.



More worryingly, your email seemingly 'skips over' my entire complaint in a single generalised sentence without engaging with any of my three key points - clearly, this is not a proper complaints handling process - instead it is an obvious attempt to deliberately avoid investigating the matter correctly - this should not be happening at a step 2 complaints handling process within a Government organisation.

You specify that PoFA came into force on 1st October 2012 and that it made a vehicle keeper liable for unpaid parking charges in situations where the driver was not known to the parking operator - having read PoFA, you must know that this is not true in every circumstance and that each event actually requires a certain amount of examination in order to establish if PoFA can be applied? - There are in fact many requirements to be met before a parking operator can hold the registered keeper liable using the PoFA legal mechanism - inexplicably, your response fails to mention ANY of these specific conditions or requirements.

In your email, instead of engaging with my questions, your statement simply implies that PoFA applies in all circumstances - at no point do you attempt to quantify your statement in order to make it either relevant to my complaint or relevant to the behaviour of the parking operator - you then simply move on to your next point and, in doing so, you immediately steer attention directly AWAY from the nature of the complaint - to be blunt, this is a massive palpable error on your part since it is legally accepted that PoFA does not apply at all car park locations and therefore your blanket statement on PoFA is completely misleading.

In essence, you have failed to ascertain whether PoFA is applicable to this particular car park location - despite my preamble and clearly stated questions, your responses never even addresses this critical question - without considering this point you cannot possibly start to weigh up the complaint in order to ascertain whether the parking operator has breached their code of conduct and therefore breached the KADOE agreement. Neither can you establish whether my personal data has been wrongly supplied, by the DVLA, to a third party unregulated parking operator under a totally false pretence.

This basically presents us with a situation where the obvious errors made in the step 1 complaint handling process have been wholly repeated in the step 2 complaint handling process - namely, that the nature of the complaint is never addressed and that the individual handling the complaint quickly moves the complaint onto issues which were never stated as being part of the complaint - again, a palpable error on the part of the DVLA complaints handling team. This now appears to be a systemic issue within the DVLA complaints handling team as this issue has now occurred at both step 1 and step 2 of the complaints procedure with the step 2 response simply being a re-hash of the wording from the step 1 response.


Given that the errors being made are so blindingly obvious, I would now like the step 2 complaints handling process to be repeated - properly - and this time it would be helpful if the person conducting the investigation would take the time to actually read my step 2 complaint email and address the facts of the case rather than spending their time trying to materially alter the nature of the complaint as to avoid dealing with the core issue - namely; was my data provided to a parking operator who is mis-stating PoFA and therefore wrongly acquiring my personal data before issuing me with a totally non-compliant Ntk which broke numerous rules and regulations which they agreed to be bound by?



Just to give you some idea, and by way of help, (and based on the actual complaint being made) this is how I would personally be responding to the step 2 complaint which I have submitted;


"I have now had time to examine the legal status of the car park location at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre and I have subsequently established that the land is owned by the London Borough of Redbridge."

"The London Borough of Redbridge is a Council and therefore, legally, constitutes a traffic authority."

"As the car park is Council owned, it represents, in law, an off-street parking place provided by a traffic authority."

"The Council have approached Euro Car Parks to help them manage this location - this appears to be a perfectly legitimate arrangement."

"However, due to the car park being owned by a traffic authority, it is NOT a location where PoFA can be used to invoke keeper liability in the event of a privately issued Parking Charge Notice being issued to an unknown driver."

"In particular, Schedule 4 of PoFA (the ability of a parking operator to move liability from an unknown driver to a registered keeper) applies only to 'relevant land', and  Paragraph 3(1)(b) expressly excludes 'a parking place which is provided or controlled by a traffic authority' from being 'relevant land' for the purposes of PoFA.

"It is therefore clear, that the car park at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre is not 'relevant land' as it is land which is owned by a traffic authority and as such PoFA cannot possibly apply at this particular location."

"From DVLA records, I can see that Euro Car Parks have seemingly accessed registered keeper details for contraventions at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre despite there being no keeper liability at that site."

"This raises serious issues surrounding 'reasonable cause' (to request keeper details) because there is no keeper liability since PoFA cannot be invoked at this particular location - therefore, there is no legitimate legal pathway for the parking operator to hold the registered keeper liable for any alleged contravention."

"I also note that the PCN issued via a 'Postal Notice to Keeper' (NtK to the complainant) contains a specific wording which states that Euro Car Parks can pursue the registered keeper for the alleged PCN debt using Section 4 of PoFA - such wording on an NtK is EXPRESSLY PROHIBBITED by the operators Code of Conduct in locations where PoFA does not apply."

"It is therefore clear that the parking operator is breaching their Code of Conduct by issuing notices which contain clearly misleading wording relating to both PoFA and keeper liability."

"Any breach of the Code of Conduct is also a breach of the DVLA KADOE Agreement (with the parking operator) since the KADOE Agreement requires the parking operator to expressly agree to comply with the Code of Conduct before accessing Registered Keeper data."

I'm sure you get the picture....








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They may re-examine the matter or they may reject it.

Your case has obviously caused them significant issues and that is why they are refusing to answer specific questions on the PoFA status at Fullwell Cross.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: InterCity125 on January 16, 2026, 08:04:06 am
Once again the DVLA have deliberately ducked the key issue - the correct application PoFA does not get one single mention in their response.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on January 16, 2026, 07:54:47 am
Good morning


Also received a response from DVLA...

https://ibb.co/LdXy6r3H


what's next please.......


Hashim
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on January 08, 2026, 03:29:11 pm
Dear b789

Step 2 was sent as instructed. Waiting for a response.

Also received a response from the Euro parks stating that they will NOT cancel the PCN.  See below:


 https://ibb.co/RkvfcwJ6


what's next.....



Thanks


Hashim

Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: b789 on December 26, 2025, 05:33:15 pm
This DVLA response does not properly address the complaint and amounts to a fob-off.

Your complaint was not about whether a PCN exists, whether Euro Car Parks are BPA members, or whether a vehicle was parked. It was about whether DVLA lawfully released keeper data where the operator is asserting PoFA keeper liability on land that is excluded from PoFA by statute.

The response completely fails to engage with PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 3. There is no consideration at all of whether the land is “relevant land”. There is no consideration of whether the parking place is provided or controlled by a traffic authority. There is no analysis of council ownership, traffic authority status, or off-street parking provision. Those are mandatory considerations, because PoFA can only apply on relevant land.

Instead, DVLA rely on generic statements about “reasonable cause” and simply repeat what Euro Car Parks have told them. That is not an assessment. DVLA are required to make their own lawful decision before releasing personal data. Accepting the operator’s assertion at face value is not sufficient, particularly where Parliament has expressly excluded local authority parking from Schedule 4.

Reasonable cause cannot exist where the stated cause relied upon by the operator is legally unavailable. Euro Car Parks are asserting statutory keeper liability under PoFA. PoFA does not apply to a parking place provided by a traffic authority. Once that statutory exclusion applies, the foundation for keeper liability collapses and DVLA data cannot lawfully be released for that purpose.

The response also mischaracterises DVLA’s role. While DVLA do not regulate parking companies generally, they do regulate their own disclosure of personal data under Regulation 27. That duty cannot be delegated to the BPA, to the operator, or avoided by saying DVLA do not regulate parking enforcement. This complaint concerns DVLA’s own statutory decision-making, not the parking company’s business model.

The response therefore demonstrates a failure to take into account relevant considerations, reliance on irrelevant considerations, and a failure to apply the correct legal test. That is maladministration.

The correct next step is a Step 2 DVLA complaint stating clearly that DVLA have failed to consider PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 3(1)(b), failed to determine whether the land is relevant land, and have unlawfully relied on operator assertions rather than applying the statute. If DVLA maintain this position at Step 2, the matter should be escalated to the Independent Complaints Assessor and, in parallel, to the Information Commissioner’s Office on the basis that DVLA disclosed personal data without properly assessing lawfulness.

I advise you to submit the following Step 2 complaint in response:

Quote
Subject: Step 2 complaint – failure to consider PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 3 and unlawful release of keeper data

Dear Mrs Boucher,

This is a Step 2 escalation of my complaint concerning the DVLA’s release of registered keeper data to Euro Car Parks Ltd.

I am dissatisfied with the Step 1 response dated 22 December 2025, which fails to address the substance of the complaint and amounts to a fob-off.

My complaint was not about whether a Parking Charge Notice was issued, whether Euro Car Parks are members of an Accredited Trade Association, or whether a vehicle was parked. It was about whether DVLA lawfully released keeper data in circumstances where the operator is asserting keeper liability under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 on land where that statute is expressly excluded.

The Step 1 response does not address PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 3 at all. There is no consideration of whether the land is “relevant land”. There is no consideration of whether the parking place is provided or controlled by a traffic authority. There is no analysis of council ownership, traffic authority status, or off-street parking provision. These are mandatory considerations because keeper liability under PoFA can arise only on relevant land.

Instead, the response relies on generic statements about “reasonable cause” and simply repeats assertions made by Euro Car Parks. That is not a lawful assessment. DVLA are required to make their own independent decision before releasing personal data. Accepting an operator’s assertions at face value, without applying the statutory exclusions enacted by Parliament, is a failure of that duty.

Reasonable cause cannot exist where the cause relied upon is legally unavailable. Euro Car Parks are asserting statutory keeper liability under PoFA. PoFA does not apply to a parking place provided by a traffic authority. Once paragraph 3(1)(b) applies, the statutory foundation for keeper liability falls away and DVLA data cannot lawfully be released for that purpose.

The Step 1 response also mischaracterises DVLA’s role by stating that DVLA do not regulate parking companies. That is irrelevant. This complaint concerns DVLA’s own statutory decision-making under Regulation 27 of the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002 and DVLA’s obligations as a data controller. Those obligations cannot be delegated to the operator or the BPA.

The Step 1 response therefore demonstrates a failure to consider relevant matters, reliance on irrelevant matters, and a failure to apply the correct legal test. That amounts to maladministration.

I request that this Step 2 review addresses the following points directly and substantively:

1. Whether the land in question is a parking place provided or controlled by a traffic authority for the purposes of PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 3(1)(b).
2. Whether PoFA keeper liability is legally capable of applying at that location.
3. On what lawful basis DVLA considered “reasonable cause” to exist for the release of keeper data where PoFA is statutorily excluded.
4. Why these matters were not considered at Step 1.

If the Step 2 response again fails to engage with the statutory exclusion in PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 3, or simply repeats generic statements without applying the law, I will escalate the matter without further notice to the Independent Complaints Assessor as a case of maladministration. I will also refer the matter to the Information Commissioner’s Office in relation to unlawful disclosure of personal data, and to my Member of Parliament with a view to further escalation to the Parliamentary and Health Service Ombudsman.

I expect a substantive Step 2 response that directly addresses the legal issues raised.

Yours sincerely,

[name]
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on December 26, 2025, 10:29:50 am
Seasons Greetings.

DVLA replied:
https://ibb.co/93mLmK1q


waiting on the others..


Hashim
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: b789 on December 17, 2025, 01:35:21 am
They must publish a contact email address for their DPO, so check their privacy statement for those details and send to the DPO explaining that the email is served and for them to pass it to the relevant department.

It’s not our job to do everything for you. Please use some initiative and get it to the relevant department.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Brenda_R2 on December 16, 2025, 05:11:28 pm
I sent a blank email to parking.services@redbridge.gov.uk with the subject line "Test".

It bounced back with

Your message to parking.services@redbridge.gov.uk couldn't be delivered.
parking.services wasn't found at redbridge.gov.uk.


More Info for Email Admins
Status code 554 5.4.14

Typically this error occurs because the recipient email address doesn't exist at the destination domain.


Are they providing duff email addresses for service?
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: DWMB2 on December 16, 2025, 04:56:53 pm
Then try and find some alternative email address via which to reach the relevant team. Respectfully, given the driver works for the council they are probably better placed to find out/tell you how to contact the council than we are...
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on December 16, 2025, 04:49:25 pm
b789

I did what you suggested by sending the message with no attachment, no pdf's or images but they are still bouncing back. I even tried sending them individually, just plain text..


Hashim

Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: b789 on December 16, 2025, 09:05:43 am
Your message wasn't delivered because the recipient's email provider rejected it. Resend with no attachments. Send the complaint text only. Do not attach images, PDFs, or screenshots. Do not embed images inline.

Add a line such as: “Copies of the Notice to Keeper and supporting evidence are available on request.”
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on December 15, 2025, 06:40:42 pm
b789

I sent both emails to the relevant email addresses supplied but they all bounced back.

parking.services@redbridge.gov.uk
Your message wasn't delivered because the recipient's email provider rejected it.


legal.services@redbridge.gov.uk
Your message wasn't delivered because the recipient's email provider rejected it.


monitoring.officer@redbridge.gov.uk
Your message wasn't delivered because the recipient's email provider rejected it.


Hashim
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: b789 on December 15, 2025, 04:51:21 pm
Here are two formal email complaints you should submit immediately to Redbridge and the DVLA:

Address this one to monitoring.officer@redbridge.gov.uk and CC parking.services@redbridge.gov.uk and legal.services@redbridge.gov.uk and yourself:

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Formal complaint – unlawful invocation of PoFA keeper liability on council-owned off-street parking

For the attention of the Monitoring Officer, London Borough of Redbridge

Dear Sir,

I am writing to raise a formal governance and legality complaint concerning parking enforcement at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre, Ilford.

The car park is situated on land owned by the London Borough of Redbridge. The Council is a traffic authority. The site is therefore an off-street parking place provided by a traffic authority.

Despite this, the Council has contracted Euro Car Parks Ltd to manage the car park. Euro Car Parks are issuing private Parking Charge Notices and are obtaining DVLA registered keeper data. Crucially, their Notices to Keeper explicitly invoke Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 and assert statutory keeper liability.

This is legally wrong.

Schedule 4 PoFA applies only to “relevant land”. Paragraph 3(1)(b) expressly excludes “a parking place which is provided or controlled by a traffic authority”. As the land is council-owned and provided by a local authority acting as a traffic authority, it is not relevant land for the purposes of PoFA. Keeper liability cannot arise in law.

The fact that the Council has outsourced day-to-day management to a contractor does not change the legal status of the land. The parking place does not become “private land” for PoFA purposes merely because enforcement has been contracted out.

The Department for Transport has expressly criticised attempts by councils to enforce off-street parking “as if privately owned”, stating that a council “retains the status of a local authority providing off-street parking places”, that “the land remains regulated”, and that operating outside the statutory regime “would clearly go against the will of Parliament”. The DfT also made clear that local authorities were consciously excluded from Schedule 4 of PoFA.

By permitting Euro Car Parks to issue Notices to Keeper asserting PoFA keeper liability on council-owned off-street parking, the Council has allowed enforcement that misstates the law, misrepresents the keeper’s liability, and facilitates the obtaining and use of DVLA keeper data on a false legal basis.

I therefore request:

1. Confirmation of the Council’s position on the legal status of the car park at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre, including whether it is accepted to be a parking place provided by a traffic authority.
2. An explanation of the legal basis on which Euro Car Parks are being permitted to invoke PoFA Schedule 4 at this site.
3. Immediate steps to require Euro Car Parks to cease asserting keeper liability under PoFA at this location.
4. Confirmation of what action the Council will take to prevent further misuse of DVLA keeper data arising from this arrangement.

This complaint is raised as a matter of statutory compliance and public law governance. I would expect a substantive response from the Monitoring Officer rather than referral back to the parking contractor.

I look forward to your response.

Yours faithfully,

And for the DVLA, send the following to data.sharing@dvla.gov.uk and CC foicompliance@dvla.gov.uk and yourself:

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Formal complaint – misuse of DVLA keeper data and unlawful assertion of PoFA keeper liability (Euro Car Parks Ltd)

Dear Sir,

I am making a formal complaint regarding Euro Car Parks Ltd obtaining and using DVLA registered keeper data in circumstances where there is no lawful basis to do so.

The Parking Charge Notice and subsequent Notice to Keeper issued by Euro Car Parks Ltd relate to parking at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre, Ilford. The land on which this car park is situated is owned by the London Borough of Redbridge. The Council is a traffic authority.

As a result, the car park is a parking place provided by a traffic authority. Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 applies only on “relevant land”. Paragraph 3(1)(b) expressly excludes from relevant land any “parking place which is provided or controlled by a traffic authority”. Accordingly, PoFA cannot apply at this location and keeper liability cannot arise in law.

Despite this, Euro Car Parks Ltd have issued a Notice to Keeper that expressly invokes Schedule 4 of PoFA, asserts that the notice is given under paragraph 9 of Schedule 4, and states that they have the right to recover the parking charge from the registered keeper. That assertion is legally false on this land.

Euro Car Parks Ltd have therefore obtained and processed my DVLA keeper data in order to pursue the registered keeper on the basis of PoFA keeper liability where PoFA is statutorily excluded. In those circumstances, “reasonable cause” for data release does not exist. The data has been used to pursue the wrong party under a misstated legal basis.

The fact that the Council has contracted out management of the car park does not alter the legal status of the land for PoFA purposes. A council-owned off-street parking place does not become “relevant land” simply because a private contractor issues Parking Charge Notices.

I ask the DVLA to:

1. Investigate Euro Car Parks Ltd’s requests for keeper data in relation to this site and the legal basis relied upon when requesting that data.
2. Confirm whether Euro Car Parks Ltd represented to the DVLA that PoFA keeper liability applied at this location.
3. Consider enforcement action or sanctions for misuse of keeper data where PoFA has been falsely invoked.
4. Confirm what steps will be taken to prevent further releases of keeper data to Euro Car Parks Ltd for this site on a false statutory premise.

I attach copies of the Notice to Keeper showing the PoFA assertions relied upon.

I expect this complaint to be treated as a formal data misuse complaint and handled accordingly.

Yours faithfully,
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: b789 on December 15, 2025, 04:14:00 pm
So, when the initial appeal I suggested is rejected, come back and we can craft a suitable POPLA appeal based on this single damning point and see whether the POPLA assessor has the intellectual capacity to understand the point.

It would be good to win one against ECP at POPLA rather than have it drag on for 9-12+ months going to the inevitable discontinuance.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: b789 on December 15, 2025, 04:11:39 pm
I didn't even think to look at the landowner. The car park at Fullwell Cross Leisure Centre is situated on land owned by the London Borough of Redbridge. The Council is a traffic authority. That is the only land-status fact that matters for the PoFA point.

Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 applies only on “relevant land”. Paragraph 3(1)(b) excludes from “relevant land” any “parking place which is provided or controlled by a traffic authority”. A Council-owned off-street parking place is, by its nature, parking provided by a traffic authority. It follows that PoFA keeper liability cannot apply on this land.

Whether the Council has outsourced day-to-day management to a leisure operator or a parking contractor is irrelevant to this legal classification. The land does not become “private” simply because a contractor manages the bays or issues tickets.

The Department for Transport has expressly criticised attempts to treat Council off-street parking as if it were privately owned and enforced via contract. In the DfT’s words, enforcement “as if the car parks are privately owned” is wrong in principle, because the Council “retains the status of a Local Authority providing off-street parking places” and “the land remains regulated”. The DfT further states that operating outside the statutory regime “would clearly go against the will of Parliament”, and that local authorities were consciously exempted from Schedule 4.

Accordingly, Euro Car Parks cannot rely on PoFA at this location. Any Notice to Keeper that invokes PoFA, threatens keeper liability, or implies the keeper is liable under Schedule 4 is legally misconceived. The operator must pursue only the driver (if it can), and there is no lawful basis to transfer liability to the registered keeper.

I refer you to this letter from the DfT to ALL Councils/Traffic Authorities back in 2014 which I just happened to be reviewing earlier today:

(https://i.ibb.co/GvP5cJCd/Appendix-F-Letter-from-Df-T1.jpg)

(https://i.ibb.co/yF91LYH4/Appendix-F-Letter-from-Df-T2.jpg)
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: DWMB2 on December 15, 2025, 02:36:26 pm
If the council operate the leisure centre, it would seem sensible to approach them to see if they will intervene. There's a fair chance they won't, but it costs nothing to try, and potentially saves a fair bit of faff.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: b789 on December 15, 2025, 02:30:32 pm
You can either go through the: initial appeal, rejection, POPLA appeal, rejection, useless debt recovery letters, Letter of Claim (LoC), county court claim, defend, N180 DQ, allocation to your local county court and then either strike out or discontinuation or, skip everything and just wait for the county court claim and defend with the template defence we provide and then eventual strike out or discontinuation.

It's up to you. Either way, if you follow the advice, you won't pay a penny to ECP. If you want to follow all the intervening steps, then... There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. ECP has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. ECP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Title: Re: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Mustek on December 15, 2025, 02:13:21 pm
@Hashim

You may want to redact the PCN number as anyone can currently appeal on your behalf.
Title: Euro car park - Fullwell cross Leisure centre.
Post by: Hashim on December 15, 2025, 02:01:25 pm
Good afternoon

The driver received this PCN from Euro Car Parks.

The driver thought that it was a council car park as he/she works for Redbridge council and therefore thought he/she did not need to buy a ticket as they have a council permit for parking in Redbridge.

Any help on this would be appreciated.

https://ibb.co/LDmWh0mC
https://ibb.co/yCSdcw3

Hashim