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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: JimmyM on December 11, 2025, 12:20:54 pm
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All received.
I don't seem to have grasped smileys though!
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Back later.
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Good afternoon,
Refreshing this after the weekend - is my grasp of Section 4(8) correct?
Unsure if Brent's web page is compliant with its lack of statutory defences .
KR,
James
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Afternoon, the only reps so far from Brent are on page 2 of the PCN - this should be the second One Drive link in my original post. Brent list multiple statutory grounds but they don't seem to then ask to select just one which I believe was an issue with I believe, H&F. The website has just one tick box titled 'general representation' and no mention of the statutory ones within the PCN.
And I've seen the smileys slider now.....
Many thanks,
James.
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Hi, Sorry for posting at the weekend. I've yet to make my reps - I'm assuming the reps you're referring to are the inevitable NoR reps by Brent that will surely follow my initial representations.
And have I grasped the concept of Section 4(8)?
Many thanks,
James.
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Thank you for the prompt reply!
I have not made any reps - just deciding how to proceed.
I understand the argument - whether I can communicate this is another matter. I'll try..
Date of notice (DofN) is 04/12/2025.
Date of Service (DofS) is two days further on so 06/12/2025.
To pay I have until 01/01/2025 (or 18/12/2025 for the discounted rate) taking into account the DoN.
Reps by 03/01/2026 taking that as DofS.
BUT, the paragraph starting 'If you fail to pay the PCN or make reps' uses the DofS implying that if I paid on 02/01/2026 I'd be okay when actually I'm outside of the window in the legislation.
I'm guessing the point is which deadline is correct.
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See the first link in my profile re the PCN. Also screenshot their reps. page before you do anything else. I agree re the video.
I acted in the two cases cited. The first one is irrelevant. The second one may be if you follow my first link. I'll do a draft later WHEN you can say you understand the point. ;D
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Good afternoon ,
I have received a PCN for a yellow box junction at the location mentioned. I have not worked out how to upload the video but it's worse than I recalled at the time. A vehicle enters Salusbury Road from my right and as the traffic moves off South it stops with the vehicle stopping in the space I was anticipating to be free.
I have done some research on this (very useful) forum and note that many of the appeals focus on Section 4 (eight) of the relevant legislation and the difference in timeframes of 'date of notice' and 'date of service' effectively creating two distinct deadlines that contradict each other.
I have attached the PCN and hoping the collective subject matter experts can comment as to whether I have a case based on this. Additionally, the website under Representation Grounds only provides one box entitled 'General Representation' and not the statutory ones included on the PCN.
The box junction extends beyond the junction on the nearside outside Starbucks but I don't know if that's sufficient for a representation as it doesn't conform to the regulation design (Traffic signs and something but I can't recall the exact legislation).
PCN via One Drive
https://1drv.ms/b/c/226a65a9954e031c/IQDEz04gzYJNSJRiIw6siDCoASqsUOPxFaJbkfHVFJL_2OY?e=zeZd0N
https://1drv.ms/b/c/226a65a9954e031c/IQAnRXBTIy6cT6zM9aUrNQ7uAU1QHZnrRoTWtw0I15aHBdA?e=AkZKGb
https://1drv.ms/b/c/226a65a9954e031c/IQAFzuj7ZrEXRJ1GWDLrMRMkAewR7nA9nf7fzR2udzdertA?e=hBgQjr
Google Location
https://maps.app.goo.gl/qf2DVeikddgS4cdj7
https://maps.app.goo.gl/T6WajmEK86JwV24p9
The video may work from here;
https://brent.tarantoportal.com/PCN/PCN/ViewImages
BT27358726
WD08HNL
The video is pretty damning and I'm rather embarrased TBH! But the moped managed to get round.....
I have looked at London Tribunals 2250161512 and 2250426286 and crossing my fingers that there's a loophole that I can exploit.
Many thanks,
James