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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Johnniepk on December 11, 2025, 11:12:20 am
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Have a read here: -
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/hugely-controversial-new-rules-coming-31013095
It seems you parked in the Latimer Street PPZ
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Rear of ticket
https://ibb.co/Nns1J6tn
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Maps view far too old for this.
Their letter says this is a permit parking area (they say 'permitted but it is 'permit') - these have entry signs saying 'permit parking past this point' (or resident parking) and sometimes 'except in signed bays'.
The council picture is a repeater sign not a PPA entry sign.
So you need to retrace your route and see if the entry sign(s) are present and clear and the zone is also of a sensible (small) size.
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Thankyou. Will post rear of ticket when car returns jk
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https://ibb.co/kZGKJ4X
GSV of same post in ceo photo
#1065
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https://ibb.co/XktTJXH4
Position of car and of sign.
There are no signs in this part of the road
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https://maps.app.goo.gl/UH11x3tPph9AN2McA
Car is parked where red car with dinted wing is.
Sign used by ceo is across juction where purple wheelie bin is
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Taken by driver when they parked up and checked for a sign
https://ibb.co/VYK9rrgx
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Front of ticket
https://ibb.co/q3HDMjTj
Rear to follow. Ticket in car which has gone out to work!
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Rejection letter
https://ibb.co/RGWM12T5
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https://ibb.co/SwCj3vnD
https://ibb.co/vGZYJTc
https://ibb.co/HD1rX1sq
https://ibb.co/BVnGd5mz
https://ibb.co/7tWRVxj4
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https://ibb.co/0yjWCmTD
https://ibb.co/Vc3skd5j
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The reason we ask for copies of documents rather that transcripts is that often errors and omissions in transcription mean that important 'small print' goes missing.
So, for meaningful advice we need to see the PCN so please help by having a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and post up here
(use
ibb.co (https://imgbb.com/) or https://imgpile.com/
for posting images.
Wherever possible, use the BBCode.)
both sides of the unredacted PCN ( leave everything in),
any council photos/video,
copy of their rejection (only redact yr name & address),
and
a GSV link to the location.
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Can anyone please offer advice on wether to stick or twist?
Thrre were no signs where the car was parked. They seem to be saying that just by driving into this area i should pay the fine.
Thankyou
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The offence on the ticket says
Parking Contravention: 12 - parked in a residents or shared use parking place
without clearly displaying either a permit or voucher
or pay and display ticket issued for that place
Location: Titchfield Street L5 LS PPA
Date of Contravention:
Traffic Management Act:
06/12/2025 at 16:20
2004
Dear
Rejection of Informal Challenge
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I received back a rejection
Reason(s) for rejection:
A PCN was issued to the above vehicle because it was 12 - parked in a
residents or shared use parking place without clearly displaying either a
permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that place in Titchfield
Street L5 LS PPA on the 06/12/2025. The vehicle was observed between
16:19 and 16:20 and the Notice was issued at 16:20. The operational hours of
this restriction / bay are Mon-Sun, 10am-Midnight.
We acknowledge your representations in respect of this PCN.
Our CEO (Civil Enforcement Officer) carried out all relevant checks on your
vehicle and found no evidence of a valid permit etc on display. The issuing
officer further inspected the vehicle and there was nothing else displayed that
entitled your vehicle to be parked at the stated time/ location.
The purpose of the resident scheme is to ensure that people who reside in
that area can park as close as possible to their own homes, or visitors can
park near to their family/friends. Since the area is clearly signed, it is the
responsibility of anyone utilising them to ensure that the required permit is
clearly displayed. Unless you are in possession of a valid permit for the
FMPZ; then you are not permitted to park during the hours of operation.
I note your comments regarding signage at the location.
In some areas where it has been deemed appropriate to put a resident
parking scheme in place, there may not be enough space on the highway to
mark out resident bays. These areas will be classed as ‘Permitted Parking
Areas’ (PPA) and instead of bay markings the entrance(s) to the PPA will
have a time plate on both sides of the street stating ‘Resident Permit Holders
Only Past This Point’, there will also be a boundary markings at each
entrance.
Residents may park anywhere past this boundary and within the PPA
(provided they do not obstruct pavement or other properties) provided that a
valid permit is clearly displayed. There will be repeater signs within the PPA
reminding motorists they are within a permit area and any visitors must also
display a valid ‘visitor permit’ (which can be sought from the resident they are
visiting). As with all time plates, if there are no days/hours on the plates, the
PPA applies “at any time”.
I would respectfully remind you that it is the responsibility of the driver to
observe and adhere to all relevant restrictions prior to leaving the vehicle
parked.
Based on the evidence available to me at this time and the details of your
incoming representations I would advise that the circumstances of this case
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johnniepk Posts: 8 Forumite
Part of the Furniture
Name Dropper
First Post
Today at 8:39AM
I received a pcn for parking in a residents parking area on 6.12.26. I lodged an informal appeal
Dear Sir or Madam,
I hereby submit an appeal to Penalty Charge Notice Lv2060742A, issued on 6/12/26 at Titchfield St, Liverpool.
The alleged contravention did not occur. The council has not met its statutory duty to provide signage that is lawful, clear, and positioned so that a motorist can reasonably be expected to see and understand it before parking. The only sign relied upon in the council's evidence was located approximately 50 yards away, across a junction, and on the opposite side of the carriageway. There were no signs, plates, or road markings whatsoever at the location where my vehicle was parked. I note there is no photograph taken by the ceo showing both the car and any restriction sign
Such placement fails to meet the requirements set out in the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (TSRGD) and does not satisfy the standards repeatedly upheld by adjudicators: that restrictions must be made clear to a reasonably diligent motorist at the actual point of parking.
Given the deficiencies explained below, the signage cannot be considered lawful, adequate, or enforceable. The PCN must therefore have been issued in error.
Grounds for Cancellation
1. Failure of “Point of Parking” Requirement
Adjudicators have consistently determined that signage must be present at or near the exact location where the vehicle is parked. It is not reasonable to expect motorists to identify signs located across road junctions or on opposite carriageways that do not relate to their stopping position.
In this case, no relevant signage existed at the parking location, meaning the restriction was not properly conveyed.
2. Sign Not Within the Driver's Line of Travel
The sign provided in the council's evidence was positioned such that it would not fall within a motorist's natural line of sight when parking or exiting the vehicle. Courts and adjudicators have emphasised that motorists cannot be expected to search for restrictions outside their immediate vicinity or across a junction.
3. Signage Placed Across a Junction
Placing a restriction sign across a junction renders it ambiguous as to which section of road it applies to. Adjudicators have repeatedly found this to be inadequate as it introduces uncertainty and does not meet the requirement for clear and unambiguous information.
4. Non-Compliance with TSRGD Requirements
Under the TSRGD, the authority must ensure:
Signs are “adequately placed” and “readily visible” to motorists.
Restrictions are indicated at the location where they apply.
Any ambiguity must result in benefit to the motorist.
The council has failed to meet these statutory obligations. A motorist cannot be expected to interpret a restriction that is not signed on the relevant side of the carriageway.
5. Ambiguity and Lack of Clarity
Where signage is unclear or placed in a manner that could reasonably mislead, adjudicators routinely cancel PCNs. A restriction cannot be enforced where:
The sign is distant,
Not facing the driver,
Located on a different section of road. Or,
Separated by a junction.
Each of these apply here.
Conclusion
The council has failed to provide clear, lawful, and adequately positioned signage. The restriction was not properly communicated and therefore the alleged contravention did not occur. I kindly request that the PCN be cancelled and confirmation provided in writing.
Be kind and have a Merry Christmas
Yours faithfully,
Me
I attach a photo i took when the vehicle was parked. I took this as i did look for parking restrictions and could see none for where I was. It also congirms where it was parked as the ceos pghotos are dark ane difficult to pinpoint.
I attach a screen grab to show where i was parked. I am the red star, the sign is the gold star.
A photo from Google maps showing the location of the post numbered 1065 to tally with the ceos photo of a sign.