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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: emb1234 on December 10, 2025, 09:00:43 am

Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge
Post by: b789 on December 10, 2025, 06:22:17 pm
Oh dear... the low-hanging fruit are about to be plucked from the gullible tree! Why on earth do you imagine that you are at fault? This is exactly the kind of thinking that these scamming firms make all their money on.

Even though (not so) Smart’s Notice to Keeper (NtK) name-checks PoFA and paragraphs 9(2)(b) and 9(2)(f), it still fails the basic requirement in 9(2)(a) to specify a “period of parking”. All they have shown is time on site from ANPR entry and exit images. ANPR records movement across a boundary, not parking, and does not evidence any actual stationary “period of parking”. Because PoFA is a strict statutory regime, partial or substantial compliance is not enough; Smart must meet every mandatory sub-paragraph if they wish to transfer liability from the unknown driver to known Keeper. Their NtK specifically states that it is a "Parking Charge", not a "Time on site charge".

The consequence is that there is no Keeper liability at all under PoFA. Only the unknown driver could ever be liable. As long as the Keeper does not identify the driver, (not so) Smart Parking can pursue their allegation only against the driver and cannot rely on PoFA to hold the keeper liable. As there is no legal obligation for the Keeper to identify the driver, how do you think they could know the drivers identity unless you blab it to them, inadvertently or otherwise.

On that basis it is entirely appropriate to appeal as the Keeper only, denying liability and pointing out the PoFA failure. For an IPC member like (not so) Smart, the second stage would be the kangaroo court that is the IAS, but the core point remains that this is a non-PoFA notice because it specifically Staes that they can only rely on PoFA subject to their compliance, so any attempt to hold the Keeper liable is misconceived.

A suitable initial appeal to (not so) Smart Parking as Keeper would be:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your “parking charge”. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

Your Notice to Keeper does not fully comply with all the requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012. In particular, it fails to specify any “period of parking” as required by paragraph 9(2)(a); ANPR entry and exit times are not evidence of a period of parking. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. You are therefore unable to hold the Keeper of the vehicle liable for this charge.

There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. Smart Parking Ltd has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only. The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under any supposed law of agency. Your Notice to Keeper can only ever hold the driver liable and you do not know who that was.

If you refuse this appeal, you are invited to issue a rejection letter and an IAS code, but you have no realistic prospect of success given the above, so you are urged to cancel the PCN now and avoid a complete waste of everyone’s time.

Come back when they reject that appeal (all initial appeals are rejected, irrespective of the content) and we can give you a suitable IAS appeal that will get the IAS adjudicator aroused enough to wet themselves into possibly actually considering the legal points raised, but don't hold out for success from this kangaroo court.

I can assure you with greater than 99.9% confidence that if you follow the advice you receive here, you will not be paying a penny to (not so) Smart, even though it is likely to go all the way to a county court claim, which we will assist in defending and it WILL either be struck out or discontinued before any hearing ever takes place.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge
Post by: emb1234 on December 10, 2025, 09:50:54 am
Hi,

Just for more context, I realised it was the second car park I parked in that day (I parked in 2 at Telford) this one didn’t have barriers. We again, pair in coins so no proof and it looks like (we didn’t realise) you can only pay for an hour and each hour you have to top it up, and I went slightly over this (we were eating in a restaurant). We thought we had paid for the day, we didn’t realise it was capped, so I guess I am at fault.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge
Post by: jfollows on December 10, 2025, 09:47:12 am
They seem fine, yes.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge
Post by: emb1234 on December 10, 2025, 09:37:18 am
What about this one?

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Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge
Post by: jfollows on December 10, 2025, 09:27:22 am
I get a page asking me to sign up and to agree to some terms and conditions, I’m not going to do either.
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge
Post by: emb1234 on December 10, 2025, 09:17:06 am
Hey,

The link to my images are here:
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Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge
Post by: Mustek on December 10, 2025, 09:14:19 am
Instructions on posting images can be found in this thread: https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/posting-images/
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge
Post by: emb1234 on December 10, 2025, 09:10:43 am
I have the pictures but can’t work out how to attach them :(
Title: Re: Smart Parking Charge
Post by: InterCity125 on December 10, 2025, 09:04:07 am
You'll need to post up the PCN redacting personal info only.

Smart are easily defeated.
Title: Smart Parking Charge
Post by: emb1234 on December 10, 2025, 09:00:43 am
Hi all,

I’ve received a smart parking letter for not paying the correct funds for parking at Telford shopping centre. However, we parked, paid in coins at the machine when left and when I drove to the barrier it raised and didn’t ask for my ticket. Now they want £60 in the next 3 days or £100 after this. We have no proof as it was paid in coins.

Is there anything I can do about this as I feel it’s really unfair as we did pay?

I’m not from that area so the barrier raising without the ticket being entered I didn’t realise was not the norm (maybe it is)

Any help would be hugely appreciated, this really isn’t something I can afford :(