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General discussion => The Flame Pit => Topic started by: BigBazz45 on December 06, 2025, 02:42:01 pm
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There seems to be a lot of stations have changed hands in recent times as TfL have taken over from the former train operating companies. Basically if the station is on the Elizabeth Line the car parking is down to TfL and SABA.
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Precisely
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"Saba is aware of this but purports to issue POFA notices because the legal title to the station car parks is held by a wholly owned and controlled TfL subsidiary rather than by TfL directly".
Ownership of legal title is surely irrelevant as POFA Sch 4 section 3 (1) (b) says [my bold]
"a parking place which is provided or controlled by a traffic authority"
"provided or controlled", not owned.
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As well as failing to change the position with regard to airports, ports and council car parks, the amendment has no effect at any Transport for London (TfL) car park. TfL is the station operator for more than 70 Tube and other stations in and around London. TfL has appointed Saba Park Services UK Limited to operate the station car parks on its behalf, so these car parks will remain excluded from the POFA definition of 'relevant land' because TfL is defined as a 'traffic authority' in POFA 3(2)(c). Saba is aware of this but purports to issue POFA notices because the legal title to the station car parks is held by a wholly owned and controlled TfL subsidiary rather than by TfL directly. However, TfL has confirmed to me in a FOI response that all the following stations are locations where TfL has appointed Saba Park Services UK Limited to operate the car park on behalf of TfL (a point reinforced by the prefix TFL on all PCNs issued by Saba at these sites):
Barkingside
Brent Cross
Brentwood
Buckhurst Hill
Burnham
Bush Hill Park
Bushey
Canons Park
Chalfont & Latimer
Chesham
Chingford
Chorleywood
Cockfosters
Croxley
Crystal Palace
Debden
East Finchley
Eastcote
Epping
Fairlop
Finchley Central
Forest Hill
Gidea Park
Greenford
Hainault
Harold Wood
Harrow and Wealdstone
Harrow-on-the-Hill
Hatch End
Hatton Cross
Hayes and Harlington
High Barnet
Highams Park
Highgate
Hillingdon
Hornchurch
Hounslow East
Hounslow West
Ickenham
Langley
Leytonstone
Loughton
Mill Hill East
Moor Park
Morden
Newbury Park
North Ealing
North Greenwich
Northwood
Norwood Junction
Oakwood
Osterley
Penge West
Perivale
Queensbury
Rayners Lane
Redbridge
Ruislip
Ruislip Gardens
South Harrow
South Ruislip
South Woodford
Stanmore
Sudbury Town
Taplow
Theobalds Grove
Theydon Bois
Totteridge & Whetstone
Turkey Street
Walthamstow Central
Wanstead
Watford
West Drayton
Woodford
Woodside Park
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Of course, but it might give the government ideas. I suppose now the government runs the railway (or will do in the near future) they won't want the hassle of going to magistrates over parking offences. There's a shortage of judges don't you know.
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I'm now wondering if the same sort of amendment will apply to other authorities governed by bye-laws such as airports
Not unless they make another amendment
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I'm now wondering if the same sort of amendment will apply to other authorities governed by bye-laws such as airports. Meanwhile it'll take quite a while to change every station car park sign in the country.
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https://lordsbusiness.parliament.uk/Document/98511/Pdf?subType=Standard
The above Explanatory Memorandum (THE PROTECTION OF FREEDOMS ACT 2012 (DEFINITION OF RELEVANT LAND) (AMENDMENT) ORDER 2025) makes it clear that the intention is to make Railway carparks relevant land for the purposes of POFA:
5.2 Schedule 4 to POFA facilitates the recovery of unpaid car parking charges from the keeper or hirer of a vehicle parked in private car parks and sets out detailed requirements regarding the provision of notices and the appeals process, but railway car parks are currently excluded from this regime.
5.3 This order will extend the application of the regime set out in Schedule 4 to POFA so that it will apply to the recovery of unpaid car parking charges from the keeper of a vehicle parked in station car parks. This will make the mechanisms applying to the recovery of unpaid car parking charges in station car parks consistent with those generally applying to private car parks with a view to aiding the understanding of the applicable rules by both users and managers of station car parks
Obviously the efficient and well-run PPCs will update their Railway carpark signage to remove references to Byelaws and make sure that the contractual arrangements they attempt to hold people to are crystal clear. Right?
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Also in the Explanatory Note:
"Bylaw 14A, which applies in England and Wales, clarifies that that these Byelaws do not impose liability for station car parking which are subject to a contractual arrangement."
"Clarifies" suggests that a substantive change is not intended but that may not be the case.
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It's worth clicking the link to read the notes.
Byelaw 14A(5) adds to the circumstances when a vehicle can be removed and stored in England and Wales by including circumstances in which the vehicle owner may not be at fault but the vehicle nevertheless needs to be moved. Byelaw 14B maintains the current regime in relation to Scotland. "The railway" has always had the right to access premies adjoining the railway in emergencies and during planned maintenance. This amendment seems to extend to car parks now, ost of which are actually on railway land.
I feel a bit more informed discussion on this matter is required. It will be a long time before the parking crooks change all their signs.
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I'd be interested to hear other views but I'm not sure that would achieve the objective of making railway land "relevant land" for PoFA.
Parking would still appear to be subject to statutory control by virtue of the other byelaws...
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Thanks to an eagle-eyed poster on another forum, it's been spotted that an updated version of the Railway Byelaws is due to come into effect on 26/12/2025.
The relevant Statutory Instrument can be found here. (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2025/1258/made)
There are two material changes: An explicit ban on E-cigarettes and the splitting of Byelaw 14 (relating to parking) into separate Byelaws for England & Wales, and Scotland.
Byelaw 14A (relating to England and Wales) reads as follows:
Traffic signs, causing obstructions and parking in England and Wales
(1) This Byelaw applies only in England and Wales.
(2) No person in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall use it on any part of the railway in contravention of any traffic sign.
(3) No person in charge of any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance shall leave or place it on any part of the railway:
(i)in any manner or place where it may cause an obstruction or hinderance to an Operator or any person using the railway; or
(ii)otherwise than in accordance with any instructions issued by or on behalf of an Operator or an authorised person.
(4) Any motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance used, left or placed in breach of Byelaw 14A(2) or (3) may be removed and stored, by or under the direction of an Operator or authorised person.
(5) A motor vehicle, bicycle or other conveyance may also be removed and stored, by or under the direction of an Operator or authorised person if such Operator or authorised person reasonably believes doing so is necessary:
(i)to deal with an emergency;
(ii)to allow access to persons or vehicles to enable maintenance of the railway to be carried out; or
(iii)to enable the safe and efficient operation of the railway.
(6) In this Byelaw:
(i)a traffic sign does not include an object or device for conveying the rules of a contractual parking scheme; and
(ii)an instruction does not include any instruction conveying the rules of a contractual parking scheme.
Part 6 is new and appears to be an attempt to extend PoFA Schedule 4 to railway land.