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Live cases legal advice => Speeding and other criminal offences => Topic started by: AlbaZeus on December 04, 2025, 08:36:36 pm

Title: Re: 58 in a 40
Post by: AlbaZeus on December 20, 2025, 04:58:52 pm
Hi,

Just for any future reference when paying the fine on the scotscourt.gov.uk site it had in nice big bold lettering


3 additional penalty points will be applied to your driving licence.


So it looks indeed like they have synced the process up so providing another form for the DVLA is not required. In this force area at least.

Thanks for all the help and advice
Title: Re: 58 in a 40
Post by: andy_foster on December 19, 2025, 09:26:36 pm
In addition to paying the fixed penalty, [unless the fixed penalty clerk is satisfied as to your identity] you must provide the required identification details to the fixed penalty clerk - this is generally referred to by the polis as your "licence details" - name, date of birth and driving licence number.

In England and Wales at least, seemingly the most common reason for an attempt to accept a COFP to fail is the failure to read and comply with this separate 'requirement', although personally, I am of the opinion that when paying the fixed penalty online, the information you provide satifies these requirements as your date of birth is part of your licence number.

Logically, either you haven't read the fixed penalty offer properly and missed that part, or it is technically possible that polis scotland pooled their brain cells and issued both to the same person, who decided that providing you identification details to the fixed penalty clerk is not a separate requirement to providing those same details to the fixed penalty clerk when paying the fixed penalty.

For the sake of completeness, the points are applied to your licence record by the DVLA when the fixed penalty has been paid and the identification details (so they know whose licence to endorse) are received.
Title: Re: 58 in a 40
Post by: AlbaZeus on December 19, 2025, 08:41:01 pm
Hi

Received the NIP, filled it in and signed it.

Received the conditional offer of 3 points and £100 fine. Going to accept this however had a question

Q: It says on the form I can pay the fine online so by paying the fine online do they then add the points automatically to my licence or do I need to do something else for that part?

I have thoroughly read the letter but doesn't state anything about how the points will be applied

Thanks
Title: Re: 58 in a 40
Post by: AlbaZeus on December 05, 2025, 11:19:00 am
To be honest I'd rather just take the 3 points and fine without the hassle of dealing with police at my door for an unsigned form.

I'm happy to take responsibility for my actions, was just curious of the potential outcome of doing 58 in a 40 as I have never been hit with a speeding ticket.
Title: Re: 58 in a 40
Post by: disgruntchelt on December 05, 2025, 11:05:05 am
It means you complete the S172 but don’t sign your name. Can you search this site for references to going unsigned to read about the implications.
Title: Re: 58 in a 40
Post by: AlbaZeus on December 05, 2025, 10:52:26 am
Is going unsigned still an option in Scotland?

Can you explain what this means?
Title: Re: 58 in a 40
Post by: AlbaZeus on December 05, 2025, 10:51:33 am

Have Enterprise responded to the police? You must not, until the police contact you.
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Yes Enterprise have advised me they have sent my details on to the Police.

I have not responded to the Police as I haven't had any correspondence from them as yet.
Title: Re: 58 in a 40
Post by: 666 on December 05, 2025, 10:08:42 am
Hi

Recently rented a transit van from enterprise to move house. Received an email stating they'd been contacted regarding a moving violation.

Emaied back and they provided the form from the camera unit off Police Scotland informing I'd been snapped by a fixed camera doing 58 in a 40.

The road in question is a dual carriageway but is indeed a 40. New to the area so must have missed the sign although no excuse.

Anyway clean licence, been driving 23 years so was wondering possible consequences?

It's in Scotland if that makes..a difference
Have Enterprise responded to the police? You must not, until the police contact you.
Title: Re: 58 in a 40
Post by: BertB on December 05, 2025, 09:51:30 am
As far as we are aware, it is.
Title: Re: 58 in a 40
Post by: disgruntchelt on December 05, 2025, 09:16:43 am
Is going unsigned still an option in Scotland?
Title: Re: 58 in a 40
Post by: AlbaZeus on December 04, 2025, 08:46:30 pm
Hi

Yes no points on my licence at all
Title: Re: 58 in a 40
Post by: FuzzyDuck on December 04, 2025, 08:38:35 pm
Assuming you don't have 9 points or more on your licence, that would be a fixed penalty of 3 points and £100.
Title: 58 in a 40
Post by: AlbaZeus on December 04, 2025, 08:36:36 pm
Hi

Recently rented a transit van from enterprise to move house. Received an email stating they'd been contacted regarding a moving violation.

Emaied back and they provided the form from the camera unit off Police Scotland informing I'd been snapped by a fixed camera doing 58 in a 40.

The road in question is a dual carriageway but is indeed a 40. New to the area so must have missed the sign although no excuse.

Anyway clean licence, been driving 23 years so was wondering possible consequences?

It's in Scotland if that makes..a difference