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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: boxer29 on December 04, 2025, 11:31:23 am
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The above 2 pictures have been taken from the UKPC online portal
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We can help with that but you must stop saying "I did this" and "I did that" - instead you should say "the driver did this" and "the driver did that" - the idea is that the drivers identity is not revealed.
There are several angles to approach the defence.
Are there any better pictures of the vehicle in the bay?
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You mean PoFA 2012, the Protection of Freedoms Act.
If this, in what way is it not compliant?
There is no “period of parking” on the NtK, for example. But others may have more and better insights to help you too. See https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4
If you’re going to defend, file AoS to defend in full and do not counterclaim. Do not identify the driver and do not overlook the deadline for filing your defence.
Just don’t use the boilerplate/template defence used here in the past. The courts increasingly strike this out now. Your defence needs to be specific to the Particulars of Claim (which are pathetic) and to the specifics of this case.
hi jfollows
I did not overstay, i only stayed for 10 min, the penalty is not parking in the appropriate bays. my tyre might be on the white line as i was in a rush. please do check my first post.
i will go with Aos but will need a draft how do i do it .
Thanks
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You mean PoFA 2012, the Protection of Freedoms Act.
If this, in what way is it not compliant?
There is no “period of parking” on the NtK, for example. But others may have more and better insights to help you too. See https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4
If you’re going to defend, file AoS to defend in full and do not counterclaim. Do not identify the driver and do not overlook the deadline for filing your defence.
Just don’t use the boilerplate/template defence used here in the past. The courts increasingly strike this out now. Your defence needs to be specific to the Particulars of Claim (which are pathetic) and to the specifics of this case.
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So AoS or defence by 28 July
Defence following AoS by 11 August
Thanks Jfollows.
is it right to do AOS
not compliant with POPLA 2012.
whats my defence going to be
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So AoS or defence by 28 July
Defence following AoS by 11 August
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As said, please don’t ask for advice without giving us the information we need to be able to provide the advice.
We only need the front page of the N1SDT form, obscure personal details including the password, but not dates or the Particulars of Claim.
I can note that you have 14+5 days from the day on the N1SDT form to respond, either with an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) or with a defence. If the former, you have an additional 14 days to file your defence. This can all be done online using the information on the N1SDT form.
So what if your defence going to be? Non-compliance with PoFA 2012, eg no “period of parking” for example? You said it’s not compliant but at least for the next stage you probably need to say why it isn’t compliant. Signage? Many of these claims are discontinued if defended, but at least a defence which isn’t a boilerplate/template but instead addresses the Particulars of Claim on the N1SDT form and the specific circumstances needs to be filed in response.
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We can't offer much advice on a form we haven't seen, please show us.
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Today in post i got the Claim form in the Civil National business Centre with issue date of 09.July 2026
Claimant: Uk parking control Limited, Eastcastle house 27/28 Eastcastle Street London W1W 8DH.
its N1SDT form
and N9A Admission form
N9B Defence and counterclaim form.
They are asking for total 263.04.
how do i respond to this form.
Thanks for your help and support
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i have got after a quiet period another letter from dcb legal last week to pay the outstanding charges.
i have uploaded the letter for you to have a look and advise.
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Thanks for your help .
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Got this letter from ZZPS in post 3 days dated 10.2.2026 which i have attached in this post
Action required : outstanding Balance.
Shall i ignore it or what should be your advice.
Thanks
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You can reply with this:
Subject: PCN 3115253251731 – Your improper request for driver details
I am the registered keeper.
Your email is noted and your request that I “confirm the full name and address of the driver” is refused.
There is no legal obligation on a keeper to identify a driver. Your attempt to strong-arm the keeper into naming the driver within 7 days is inappropriate and will not succeed. You already have everything you need to either cancel the charge or issue a rejection with a POPLA verification code.
Accordingly, stop fishing for driver details and now determine the appeal based on the information already provided. If you reject, you must provide a POPLA code without further delay.
For the avoidance of doubt, I will not enter into any correspondence about the driver’s identity. Any further emails repeating this demand will be treated as harassment and evidence of unreasonable conduct.
Yours faithfully,
[Keeper name]
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Got this in email, went to my junk mail though.
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Nobody pays a penny to UKPC if they follow the advice they receive here. Their Notice to Keeper (NtK) is not fully compliant with PoFA 2012 which means that as long as the driver is not identified, they cannot hold the Keeper liable.
Unlike in your narrative, where you have clearly intimated that you, the recipient of the NtK, were the driver. All you must ever do is, as the Keeper, refer to the driver in the third party. No "I did this or that", only "the driver did this or that". You may want toed your opening post!
Np initial appeal will ever be successful so we don't waste much time or effort on it. The aim is to get a POPLA code with the rejection, which is then valid for 33 days and make a more substantive appeal to them, for what it's worth.
Even if POPLA is unsuccessful, you do not pay. Their decision is not binding on you. It will go all the way to a county court claim which we provide the relevant template defence and in due course (9-12+ months) the claim is either struck out or discontinued.
For now, there is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.
The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.
Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:
I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.
As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. UKPC has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.
The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. UKPC have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Thanks b789,
i have logged an appeal as a registered keeper of the vehicle to UKPC online portal.
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Nobody pays a penny to UKPC if they follow the advice they receive here. Their Notice to Keeper (NtK) is not fully compliant with PoFA 2012 which means that as long as the driver is not identified, they cannot hold the Keeper liable.
Unlike in your narrative, where you have clearly intimated that you, the recipient of the NtK, were the driver. All you must ever do is, as the Keeper, refer to the driver in the third party. No "I did this or that", only "the driver did this or that". You may want toed your opening post!
Np initial appeal will ever be successful so we don't waste much time or effort on it. The aim is to get a POPLA code with the rejection, which is then valid for 33 days and make a more substantive appeal to them, for what it's worth.
Even if POPLA is unsuccessful, you do not pay. Their decision is not binding on you. It will go all the way to a county court claim which we provide the relevant template defence and in due course (9-12+ months) the claim is either struck out or discontinued.
For now, there is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.
The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.
Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:
I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.
As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. UKPC has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.
The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. UKPC have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
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Hi,
i got the NTK dated 21.11.25 posted on 24.11.25 While the driver was in Snowhill retail park Wakefield " not parked correctly within the markings of the bay or space." in the pictures my rear tyres are on the boxes.
The driver went to do a return in one of the shops for hardly 10 min, parked in disabled bay with blue badge displayed on dash.
i have been given as the registered keeper 14 days from the date of issue of this parking charge to pay £ 60.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/BtJ3ZaethxL4itb66
https://maps.app.goo.gl/S7BZcKfZQPnr8huX6
The signage is not clear nor in picture or not on the paycharge portal.
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Thanks