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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Sherin on November 27, 2025, 07:52:54 pm

Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: stamfordman on December 30, 2025, 05:00:51 pm
My thoughts.

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I am repeating my challenge that the contravention did not occur as the PCN was issued within the 3 hour exemption afforded by my blue badge. The restriction started at 8:30 and the PCN was issued at 10:28.

I set my parking clock in good faith at the time of arrival as you indicate I should do in your rejection of my initial challenge, and as the blue badge booklet states.

It now seems I should have set the clock at 8:30 despite the guidance.

I feel this distinction has unfairly disadvantaged me as a disabled person from claiming an exemption I was entitled to, and invite you to revisit your decision in my favour.

I would also draw your attention to statutory guidance by the government on your duty to act fairly in the public interest.

I look forward to your positive response.


Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: Sherin on December 27, 2025, 08:32:45 pm
@stamfordman could you please help with the appeal?
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: stamfordman on December 20, 2025, 05:06:09 pm
I'll help but later.
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: Sherin on December 19, 2025, 09:52:02 pm
Hi everyone. Here’s the NTO from TH. Could someone please help with the appeal?

Link to NTO:

https://ibb.co.com/jPxhyvFW
https://ibb.co.com/NnGkyF3w
https://ibb.co.com/whtyzcHg
https://ibb.co.com/HDT0NZ5K
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: stamfordman on November 28, 2025, 06:53:38 pm
Best to check with Motability that the logbook details are correct - they'll send you a copy too.

Here are two recent tribunal decision, incidentally both in Tower Hamlets, which takes a hard line on blue badge contraventions. I have highlighted the relevant parts.

The first is good because it raises the fundamental point about the purpose of the clock in enforcement.
The second is a recommendation to cancel only but it seems to have escaped the adjudicator that 3 hours had not elapsed so we don't know if he would have changed his mind if this had been drawn to his attention.

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Case reference   2250128346
Appellant   Rezso Voros
Authority   London Borough of Tower Hamlets
VRM   LV73OTU
   
PCN Details
PCN   TT58416922
Contravention date   11 Dec 2024
Contravention time   18:59:00
Contravention location   Cuba Street
Penalty amount   GBP 130.00
Contravention   Parked restricted street during prescribed hours
   
Referral date   -
   
Decision Date   11 Jul 2025
Adjudicator   Mackenzie Robinson
Appeal decision   Appeal allowed
Direction   cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.
1.   Reasons   Mr Voros is a blue badge holder. He parked his car on a single yellow line during the hours of its operation. He displayed his blue badge, but his clock was upside down on the dashboard.
2.   Display of a blue badge entitles the holder to park on a single or double yellow line for a maximum of three hours. The relevance of the parking clock is to declare the time of arrival. This allows the civil enforcement officer to know whether or not a contravention has occurred, and make a decision regarding issuing a penalty charge notice.
3.   Mr. Voros makes the point that the restriction at this location applies from 5:00 PM to 7:30 PM. This is a period of 2 1/2 hours, and therefore less than the three hour maximum which would apply to blue badge use. It is therefore impossible for a blue badge holder to breach the restriction at this location.
4.   The council contests the appeal on the basis that a blue badge only provides a valid exemption on a single or double yellow line if the accompanying clock is displayed.
5.   I find that a parking clock is more than a useful piece of evidence which can help to establish whether a contravention has occurred. For example, if someone parks on double yellow lines, which apply 24 hours a day, and fails to set their parking clock, it is no defence to prove, using other evidence, that the stay was for less than three hours. In those circumstances, the display of the blue badge provides no exemption at all without the accompanying clock also being displayed. This is because it would be impossible for the civil enforcement officer to know whether to issue a PCN, if no clock were on display. The purpose of the clock is to allow the enforcement process to function properly. This is similar to the requirement for a pay and display ticket to be displayed, and not simply purchased.
6.   However, this case raises a different issue. Is display of a clock mandatory, without which the blue badge would provide no exemption, in circumstances where it is impossible for a contravention to occur, because the restriction applies for less than three hours? This is an issue with real consequences for Mr Voros. He has been issued the blue badge because of his limited mobility. If he parks at this location at, say, 3 PM, two hours before the yellow line restriction commences, is he required to leave his flat, and return to where has parked at 5 PM just to set his clock?
7.   The actual contravention is that of ‘parking in a restricted street’, not a ‘failure to follow the rules of the blue badge scheme’. A blue badge holder is entitled to park at such a location for three hours. Since it is impossible for a blue badge holder to breach the three hour time limit (because the restriction only applies for 2 1/2 hours) I find that the normal rule requiring the display of a blue badge has no application. In these circumstances, the civil enforcement officer does not have to decide whether a contravention has occurred – it is clear that it has not.
8.   I therefore find that, in these particular circumstances, no contravention occurred.
9.   This appeal is allowed.

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Case reference   2240516338
Appellant   Jean Webb
Authority   London Borough of Tower Hamlets
VRM   AJ04ZZL
   
PCN Details
PCN   TT57690248
Contravention date   03 Aug 2024
Contravention time   10:21:00
Contravention location   Ford Street
Penalty amount   GBP 130.00
Contravention   Parked restricted street during prescribed hours
   
Referral date   -
   
Decision Date   27 Feb 2025
Adjudicator   George Dodd
Appeal decision   Appeal refused with recommendation
Direction   Full penalty charge notice amount stated to be paid within 28 days.
Reasons   The Appellant’s representative, Ms Kate Scarlet attended the hearing of the appeal by video link. The Appellant, who is Miss Scarlet’s mother, did not attend.

It is the Authority’s case that the Appellant’s vehicle was parked in a restricted street during prescribed hours on 3 August 2024 at 10:21 am. They rely in evidence on the CEO’s notes and their photographs of the vehicle. The vehicle was parked on a single yellow line and although it was displaying a Blue Badge and clock, the clock was not set to cover the said time.

Miss Scarlet explained that she parked the car the night before and the Blue Badge and clock were left on display but were secure. She intended to set the clock following morning for 08:30, but she was unable to do so because her very elderly mother who has serious dementia and for whom Miss Scarlet cares, had a fall at about 7:15am. Whilst not seriously injured, Miss Scarlett’s mother was quite battered and bruised and was extremely distressed by the incident and leaving her alone even for a very short period of time was simply not an option for a large part of that day. In those circumstances, Ms Scarlet was unable to attend the vehicle prior to 8:30 am to set the clock.
I found Ms Scarlet to be a reliable and credible witness and I accept her evidence.
I appreciate that Ms Scarlet was in a very difficult situation and quite clearly the priority was to care for her mother. It would have been negligent of her to have left her mother to attend her vehicle even for a very short time. However, the case put by Ms Scarlet does not amount to a ground of appeal. It is, instead, mitigation. Although the Authority are entitled to take mitigation into account at the representation stage, it is well established law that an Adjudicator is not permitted to do so on appeal, which means that I am unable to exercise any discretion in the Appellant’s favour. It follows that, being satisfied there was a contravention, I must refuse the appeal. However, I am satisfied that there are compelling reasons why, in the particular circumstances of the case, the PCN should be cancelled, and I make a recommendation to the Authority to this effect in accordance with section 7 (8) of the Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022.
Recommendation   cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: H C Andersen on November 28, 2025, 06:17:45 pm
That's good. So wait for the NTO.
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: Pastmybest on November 28, 2025, 05:49:16 pm
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The person to whom the vehicle has been supplied under contract with Motobility is the registered keeper and would hold the V5C.

Is this you?

Yes. Like I originally stated. It’s my blue badge and my motability vehicle under my name

But you do not hold the v5c that is held by motability but due to an agreement with DVLA it will include youe details and it is these that will be passed to the council so the can issue a NTO
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: Sherin on November 28, 2025, 05:46:29 pm
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The person to whom the vehicle has been supplied under contract with Motobility is the registered keeper and would hold the V5C.

Is this you?

Yes. Like I originally stated. It’s my blue badge and my motability vehicle under my name
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: H C Andersen on November 28, 2025, 05:15:45 pm
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The person to whom the vehicle has been supplied under contract with Motobility is the registered keeper and would hold the V5C.

Is this you? 


Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: Sherin on November 28, 2025, 04:31:41 pm
Who is the registered keeper of the vehicle and are their DVLA details current?

I ask because this is the next stage in the process and they've rejected your informal(not formal) reps therefore it's the who rather than the what which needs to be identified and factored in to identifying your next steps.

It’s a motability vehicle. I’m not sure?
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: H C Andersen on November 28, 2025, 01:50:59 pm
OP, I would continue and let's see what nonsense reasoning the authority puts in any NOR. But before then we would compile more targeted reps.

The issue at large here is that the regs provide:
.........
2) An order to which this regulation applies shall include an exemption from the prohibition
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(b)a parking disc is displayed in the relevant position on the vehicle marked to show the quarter hour period during which the period of exempted waiting began.

As you can see, the BB booklet is incorrect here - because of course it's written with the premise that a waiting restriction is already in place when you park. But this doesn't apply here.

The exemption from the prohibition began began when the clock struck 8.30am and therefore the clock should have been set at 8.15am.

The authority's response repeats the BB booklet by stating 'the quarter hour period during which you arrived'. This is wrong for the reasons above.

If you're up for it, let's see what a hash they make of a NOR.
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: Incandescent on November 28, 2025, 01:25:59 pm
So the OP should have set the clock at 8:30, which is what I would have done. But the council really should cancel this and let's look at adjudicated cases.

If this goes to the tribunal there's also a chance of a recommendation to cancel, which is non-binding.
Ys, that would seem to be the work-round.
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: stamfordman on November 28, 2025, 12:48:39 pm
So the OP should have set the clock at 8:30, which is what I would have done. But the council really should cancel this and let's look at adjudicated cases.

If this goes to the tribunal there's also a chance of a recommendation to cancel, which is non-binding.
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: Incandescent on November 28, 2025, 12:27:24 pm
I had a quick message exchange with CP8759 on what seems to be a completely barmy situation, and it appears the council are correct. Its all in Regulation 8 of The Local Authorities' Traffic Orders (Exemptions for Disabled Persons) (England) Regulations 2000
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2000/683/regulation/8/made
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: stamfordman on November 28, 2025, 11:45:56 am
It's a Motability car so I believe the logbook is held by them but in the OP's name and address.

I'll see if I can also find a case or two but here's no rush as no NTO served yet.
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: Pastmybest on November 28, 2025, 11:03:05 am
more than one case won on this, I do not have time just now to find an example but have at least one and will do so another time

In essence the adjudicator found that you cannot have exceeded a 3 hour exemption at 10.28 to a restriction that starts at 08.30
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: H C Andersen on November 28, 2025, 10:08:38 am
Who is the registered keeper of the vehicle and are their DVLA details current?

I ask because this is the next stage in the process and they've rejected your informal(not formal) reps therefore it's the who rather than the what which needs to be identified and factored in to identifying your next steps.
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: Sherin on November 28, 2025, 05:21:29 am
Do you have your challenge.

What time was the clock set to - the picture isn't good enough to see.

We've had some battles with councils on this - their statement that 'this does not mean your time of stay can be extended when the restricted hours are not in force' is ludicrous in my view.

As you've missed the discount, £160 is now demanded so you should wait for the NTO.

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It was set to 0500 hours.

Thank you for your time and assistance once again
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: Sherin on November 28, 2025, 05:20:29 am
Thank you everyone. I only took a screenshot of the appeal when I submitted it so full appeal writing wasn’t captured sadly. But below is the chunk of my appeal:

“I am writing to formally challenge the above Parking Charge Notice (PCN). I believe this charge has been issued incorrectly. My Blue Badge was correctly displayed and set to 5:00 a.m. However, parking restrictions in this area do not begin until 8:30 a.m. As Blue Badge holders are permitted to park on single yellow Lines for up to three hours, the allowed parking period should be calculated from 8:30 a.m., meaning my valid parking time extended until 11:30 a.m.
When I returned to my vehicle at 11:00 a.m., I found that a PCN had been issued at 10:28 a.m. This demonstrates that the notice was issued before the permitted parking period had expired. I have attached photographs of the signage and parking information, with times…. “
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: stamfordman on November 28, 2025, 12:42:16 am
Do you have your challenge.

What time was the clock set to - the picture isn't good enough to see.

We've had some battles with councils on this - their statement that 'this does not mean your time of stay can be extended when the restricted hours are not in force' is ludicrous in my view.

As you've missed the discount, £160 is now demanded so you should wait for the NTO.

(https://i.ibb.co/Lz3FjHp2/Screenshot-2025-11-28-at-00-28-11.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/FLy1t50M/Screenshot-2025-11-28-at-00-28-06.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/8D9VXyc0/Screenshot-2025-11-28-at-00-27-59.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/xdKzxQL/Screenshot-2025-11-28-at-00-33-10.png)
Title: Re: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: Incandescent on November 27, 2025, 11:03:10 pm
Their response doesn't sound right at all to me, but I am not expert in the detail of the regulations, hopefully somebody is.
It surely cannot be right that your three hours includes time spent when the yellow line is not in effect. So wait a bit to see what others say.

I would be strongly tempted to take them all the way on this, but ss I said, wait a bit to see if somebody comes up with a definite answer.
Title: TH PCN Warley St E2 Blue badge
Post by: Sherin on November 27, 2025, 07:52:54 pm
Good evening everyone. I parked with my blue badge at 0500 on a single yellow line. However, at that time there were no restrictions as they came into affect at 0830. I imagined the 3 hours would commence once from when the restrictions begin, 0830. Sadly when I came to the vehicle at 1100, I had been issued a PCN. I appealed to TH about this stating the above but they rejected my appeal. Here is the rejection letter:

https://share.icloud.com/photos/031THWYMCsjENX_Qshh2CjalQ

I want to know if I have a case and can I get this won at LT if they rejected my formal appeal also.

Thank you for your help. The badge is mine as well as the car which is from motability.