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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: NordDav on November 18, 2025, 10:00:17 am
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Take Hippos offer 👍
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I was going/am happy to do it myself but open to any offer of help, especially if it would help others who may encounter the same issue. Thank you.
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Are you doing this yourself or would you like my assistance?
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Update: Appeal lodged. Hearing (by video) on 1st July.
For completeness, added this to the appeal>
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I say Tribunal time.
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Gently nudge to get opinions on continuing to appeal? Thanks
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Ha, well Happy Christmas to Waltham Forest too...
They have rejected the appeal.
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I'm happy to go to adjudication if the view it is worthwhile...
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To expand a bit on Hippocrates' answer, there's no legally mandated time limit for the council to respond, but if it takes more than three months and they reject your representations, the tribunal adjudicator is likely to rule it as an unreasonable delay if you take it that far and accept your appeal (assuming there aren't sufficient mitigating circumstances for the council behind the delay).
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No.
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Challenge was made (on-line) 25/11/25. No response to date (17/12/25) other than that below at time of submission.
I can confirm that we have received your challenge, which will be attached onto the case. A response should be issued within the next 14 days. Please be advised that the case is on hold and will not progress until a response has been issued.
"Should" is very vague. Is there a period of time at which it can be considered withdrawn?
TIA (again)
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My 1st link in my profile plus check their website for any grounds.
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Anything further to add having seen rest of PCN?
TY
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Duly noted both. Ty.
Rest of PCN as requested...
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I wouldn't concede a contravention.
And yes get all ducks in a row.
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Case reference 2250390906
Appellant Olubukola Shokan
Authority London Borough of Redbridge
VRM B5OKN
PCN Details
PCN AF20213094
Contravention date 23 May 2025
Contravention time 18:22:00
Contravention location GREEN LANE
Penalty amount GBP 160.00
Contravention Entering and stopping in a box junction
Referral date -
Decision Date 18 Nov 2025
Adjudicator Edward Houghton
Appeal decision Appeal allowed
Direction
cancel the Penalty Charge Notice.
Reasons
The Appellant did not attend the hearing.
The CCTV footage shows the rear of the Appellant’s vehicle only very marginally on the box junction markings . It seems to me that the vehicle could easily have moved forward the mere few centimeters necessary for it for it to clear it entirely had the Appellant decided to do so. On the particular facts I am not satisfied that it is sufficiently proved that the vehicle had to stop within the junction , which is what the Regulations require for a contravention to occur. The Appeal is therefore allowed.
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OP, you have plenty of time, so pl post the rest of the PCN.
Hippocrates' reference is to wording which in this case we haven't seen because it appears elsewhere on the PCN. There's no reason to suppose the wording's been changed since we last saw a WF PCN, but none the less we should see all the evidence in this case posted in the thread.
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Noted Hippocrates, ty to all.
I'm proposing the following (courtesy of Co-Pilot).
Subject: Representation against PCN FR67118070
Dear London Borough of Waltham Forest,
I am writing to formally challenge the above Penalty Charge Notice issued for the alleged contravention of “Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited.”
I entered the box junction with a clear exit ahead, so no contravention occurred.
- At time of entry into the box junction, my exit lane was clear and unobstructed.
- The Highway Code (Rule 174) only prohibits stopping due to stationary vehicles blocking the exit.
- My brief stop of 2 seconds was due to courtesy to another driver, not by a blocked exit.
- Video evidence shows the stop was momentary and trivial, with space ahead to proceed.
Therefore, the alleged contravention did not occur and the PCN should be cancelled.
Yours faithfully,
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+ The issue in my first link of my profile re the PCN wording.
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This must be the ultimate money-grubbing PCN ! I've never seen anything quite so trivial as this, and the person who signed this PCN off, is a pedantic idiot of the first order. You really MUST take them all the way on this one if they prove obdurate.
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That's encouraging. Is there appropriate wording to use in the challenge?
Thank you.
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As you say, exit space and in any case looks like one wheel on the edge of the box when actually stopped, so an adjudicator would probably say too trivial to enforce.
I would challenge this.
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PCN received. As per video, turning left, I thought I'd cleared the box and stopped. There was space in front to move further if required. Timing indicates a 2 second stop. Advice please.
TIA
David
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