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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: smudgy9573 on November 15, 2025, 07:38:23 pm

Title: Re: G24 PCN - Exceeding Maximum Duration of Stay - Burlington Retail Park, New Malden
Post by: b789 on December 08, 2025, 01:27:39 pm
Plan A strikes again!
Title: Re: G24 PCN - Exceeding Maximum Duration of Stay - Burlington Retail Park, New Malden
Post by: smudgy9573 on December 08, 2025, 11:44:10 am
Heya,

I want to share some good news, I was able to work with one of the retail shops to get the charge cancelled.  I emailed the CEO of Curry's and although they took awhile to respond back I was put in touch with executive customer service who reached out to the landowner and I have no received confirmation that the charge has been cancelled.

Thank you for your advice.

To anyone else needing help, I emailed this

   alexander.baldock at dixonscarphone.com
Title: Re: G24 PCN - Exceeding Maximum Duration of Stay - Burlington Retail Park, New Malden
Post by: b789 on November 21, 2025, 07:19:01 am
You are not being held liable for the charge. Only the driver is liable for the charge and you are under no legal obligation to identify the driver. Everything else is ok.

However, this is just the IAS and is nothing but a corrupt bunch of mendacious employees of the same firm tht is the IPC. Stop fretting about the kangaroo court that is the IAS.
Title: Re: G24 PCN - Exceeding Maximum Duration of Stay - Burlington Retail Park, New Malden
Post by: smudgy9573 on November 20, 2025, 07:03:22 pm
Just wanted to check if I'm entering the right details here, I'm not sure on the second one

Picture of questions:

https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME17XEHN
Title: Re: G24 PCN - Exceeding Maximum Duration of Stay - Burlington Retail Park, New Malden
Post by: b789 on November 20, 2025, 12:03:12 pm
You can send the following as your IAS appeal:

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I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability for this parking charge and appeal in full.

The parking operator bears the burden of proof. It must establish that a contravention occurred, that a valid contract was formed between the operator and the driver, and that it has lawful authority to operate and issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) in its own name. I therefore require the operator to provide the following:

1. Strict proof of clear, prominent, and adequate signage that was in place on the date in question, at the exact location of the alleged contravention. This must include a detailed site plan showing the placement of each sign and legible images of the signs in situ. The operator must demonstrate that signage was visible, legible, and compliant with the IPC Code of Practice that was valid at the time of the alleged contravention, including requirements relating to font size, positioning, and the communication of key terms.

2. Strict proof of a valid, contemporaneous contract or lease flowing from the landowner that authorises the operator to manage parking, issue PCNs, and pursue legal action in its own name. I refer the operator and the IAS assessor to Section 14 of the PPSCoP (Relationship with Landowner), which clearly sets out mandatory minimum requirements that must be evidenced before any parking charge may be issued on controlled land.

In particular, Section 14.1(a)–(j) requires the operator to have in place written confirmation from the landowner which includes:

• the identity of the landowner,
• a boundary map of the land to be managed,
• applicable byelaws,
• the duration and scope of authority granted,
• detailed parking terms and conditions including any specific permissions or exemptions,
• the means of issuing PCNs,
• responsibility for obtaining planning and advertising consents,
• and the operator’s obligations and appeal procedure under the Code.

These requirements are not optional. They are a condition precedent to issuing a PCN and bringing any associated action. Accordingly, I put the operator to strict proof of compliance with the entirety of Section 14 of the PPSCoP. Any document that contains redactions must not obscure the above conditions. The document must also be dated and signed by identifiable persons, with evidence of their authority to act on behalf of the parties to the agreement. The operator must provide an agreement showing clear authorisation from the landowner for this specific site.

3. Strict proof that the enforcement mechanism (e.g. ANPR or manual patrol) is reliable, synchronised, maintained, and calibrated regularly. The operator must prove the vehicle was present for the full duration alleged and not simply momentarily on site, potentially within a permitted consideration or grace period as defined by the PPSCoP.

4. Strict proof that the Notice to Keeper complies with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), if the operator is attempting to rely on keeper liability. Any failure to comply with the mandatory wording or timelines in Schedule 4 of PoFA renders keeper liability unenforceable.

5. Strict proof that the NtK was posted in time for it to have been given within the relevant period. The PPSCoP section 8.1.2(d) Note 2 requires that the operator must retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated (e.g. the date that any third-party Mail Consolidator actually put it in the postal system.)

6. The IAS claims that its assessors are “qualified solicitors or barristers”. Yet there is no way to verify this. Decisions are unsigned, anonymised, and unpublished. There is no transparency, no register of assessors, and no way for a motorist to assess the legal credibility of the individual supposedly adjudicating their appeal. If the person reading this really is legally qualified, they will know that without strict proof of landowner authority (VCS v HMRC [2013] EWCA Civ 186), no claim can succeed. They will also know that clear and prominent signage is a prerequisite for contract formation (ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67), and that keeper liability under PoFA is only available where strict statutory conditions are met.

If the assessor chooses to overlook these legal requirements and accept vague assertions or redacted documents from the operator, that will speak for itself—and lend further weight to the growing concern that this appeals service is neither independent nor genuinely legally qualified.

In short, I dispute this charge in its entirety and require full evidence of compliance with the law, industry codes of practice, and basic contractual principles.
Title: Re: G24 PCN - Exceeding Maximum Duration of Stay - Burlington Retail Park, New Malden
Post by: smudgy9573 on November 20, 2025, 11:43:53 am
I have received this message from them:

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Thank you for your recent correspondence.

The terms and conditions of the car park are displayed in prominent locations throughout the car park.  Any vehicle found in contravention of these terms and conditions is subject to a Contractual Parking Charge Notice.  Vehicles entering and exiting the car park are monitored and details of their registration number and time of entry/exit are recorded.  Your vehicle was logged entering the car park on the 04 Nov 2025 at 09:07 and exiting 04 Nov 2025 at 11:25.  Photographic evidence of the breach of contractual term is provided on your Contractual Parking Charge Notice.

There are sufficient signs at the entrance to and in prominent locations throughout the car park displaying the terms and conditions. You are welcome to revisit the site to view the signage, we advise you to adhere to the terms and conditions of parking when you are visiting the site.

Our signage complies with the International Parking Community's Code of Practice.

The notice to keeper has been issued within the relevant time frames outside of the Protection of Freedoms Act.

You have stated that you were not the driver of the vehicle at the date and time of the breach of the contractual terms of the car park, however you have failed to provide the full name and serviceable address of who was..

Judge Ackroyd, 2008, Oldham Court, Combined Parking Solutions versus Mr Stephen Thomas, in the case where Mr Thomas claimed not to be the driver, but did not state who was, ruled that on the balance of probability he was the driver and ordered the Charge to be paid plus additional court costs.

If, at the end of the period of 28 days (beginning with the day after the date on which this correspondence is issued), you have not complied with the above, then we have the right to take recovery action against you.

You now have one of the following options available to you:

1. Pay the outstanding Parking Charge. Payment of your Contractual Parking Charge Notice can be made via the payment line: 0333 733 3000 or by sending a cheque or postal order to G24 Limited, PO Box 3320, Gerrards Cross, Buckinghamshire, SL9 8WT.

2. If you believe this decision is incorrect, you are entitled to appeal to The Independent Appeals Service (www.theIAS.org), The Independent Appeals Service provides an Alternative Dispute Resolution scheme for disputes of this type. As you have complied with our internal appeals procedure you may use, and we will engage with, the The Independent Appeals Service Standard Appeals Service providing you lodge an appeal to them within 28 days of your first rejection.

3. If you choose to do nothing, we will seek to recover the monies owed to us via our debt recovery procedures and may proceed with Court action against you.

Appeals Team  G24 Ltd
To Pay your Parking Charge visit http://www.payyourcharge.co.uk or call our payment line on 0333 7333 000.

Let me know what I should do next
Title: Re: G24 PCN - Exceeding Maximum Duration of Stay - Burlington Retail Park, New Malden
Post by: smudgy9573 on November 16, 2025, 12:44:25 pm
Thanks will do!
Title: Re: G24 PCN - Exceeding Maximum Duration of Stay - Burlington Retail Park, New Malden
Post by: b789 on November 16, 2025, 09:52:36 am
THe Notice to Keeper is not PoFA compliant so they can only pursue the driver. They will have no idea of the drivers identity unless the Keeper blabs it inadvertently to otherwise.

As G24 are a bottom-dwelling IPC firm, this will go all the way to a county court claim, irrespective of appeals. However, as long as any claim is defended, you will not pay a penny to them. Just follow the advice.

There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. G24 has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. G24 have no hope should you be so stupid as to try and litigate, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

Come back when they is rejected for the IAS kangaroo court appeal.
Title: G24 PCN - Exceeding Maximum Duration of Stay - Burlington Retail Park, New Malden
Post by: smudgy9573 on November 15, 2025, 07:38:23 pm
Hiya!  I seen some similar posts in here, but didn't want to just blindly follow a thread without starting my own.  Here is the situation:

Upon entering the car park, the driver found a space, parked up, and went to the shops.  When they left the car park they had exceeded the maximum parking period by 18 minutes. On Nov 15, I, the registered keeper, received a PCN through the post.

Letters attached.

I can go take pictures of the parking lot if needed.

Google Maps Link (https://www.google.com/maps/@51.3989151,-0.2468319,3a,75y,154.68h,72.71t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sHrEVW73NuviMnQIiA3D8LA!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D17.287784363599542%26panoid%3DHrEVW73NuviMnQIiA3D8LA%26yaw%3D154.67922768122375!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTExMi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D)


Notice Page 1 (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME17S4HS)


Notice Page 2 (https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME17S4HT)