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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: vloxxhydra on November 13, 2025, 10:16:10 pm

Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: jfollows on March 21, 2026, 12:30:10 pm
It’s an incestuous system in which the “independent” assessors are in the pay of the parking companies. Neither POPLA nor the IAS do the “right thing” because their paymasters are the parking companies, not their victims.

The only way in which your credit rating is affected negatively is if you lose in court and don’t pay within one month. Neither is likely to happen provided you stay on the ball and note any deadlines.
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: vloxxhydra on March 21, 2026, 12:20:33 pm
I don't understand if I'm in the right legally here, why didn't the: “my tenancy is the primary contract” get upheld by POPLA?  Or even POPLA rule in my favour because it's obvious the right thing to do, considering I lived at the property and all the mitigating circumstances involved - Unless they (POPLA) are, as I now feel and as you've intimated, all in it together.

Sorry, not sure what happened to my link, it is a threatening letter the here's the text:

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We are writing in relation to the above parking charge, which you chose to appeal with the independent adjudicator POPLA. Having considered the evidence provided by you and UK Parking Control, we can confirm that POPLA have declined your appeal, ruling in favour of UKPC.

As such, payment of £100.00 is now due and should be paid to UK Parking Control Ltd within 28 days of the date of this letter. Payment instructions may be found overleaf.

If you choose to do nothing the matter will be passed to our debt recovery agent, at which point you will be liable to pay an additional charge of £70, in accordance with the terms and conditions of parking.

Further charges will also be claimed if court action is taken against you. Any unpaid court judgement may adversely affect your credit rating.
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: jfollows on March 21, 2026, 11:53:39 am
I can’t read your attachment, but it probably doesn’t matter.

Don’t pay, and then ignore letters from debt collectors and come back when you get a formal Letter of Claim.

They won’t take it to court, because they’d lose. Until now the only assessment has been by a compromised collection of people who only want your money. But you will need to follow the process, for which you will get advice here. Their tactics are to frighten you into paying.

Being “screwed further down the line” means paying £0, but if that worries you then by all means pay up now. Just let us know if you do, so we can stop helping you.
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: vloxxhydra on March 21, 2026, 11:48:13 am
Just received this letter now from UKPC - I guess I need to pay it now to avoid the additional charge on the additional charge that got added for appealing (they really know how to screw you over don't they).  Unless anyone else knows any avenue to go down besides just not paying, which the inner-defiant me would love to do, but I know I will possibly be screweed further down the line.

I know many would feel this, but I do feel this charge is completely unfair, completely disregarding the mitigating circumstances - I guess they gives parking charge notices to fire engines for parking outside a burning building to put out a fire?  I guess they ticket police officers for parking outside a bank to arrest bank robbers -POPLA's decision just compounds how cheated I feel and that they're all in it together.

Letter from UKPC  (https://postimg.cc/dhrVtbs4)

(https://postimg.cc/dhrVtbs4)
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: vloxxhydra on March 20, 2026, 12:41:15 pm
Popla decision received, my appeal was rejected even after the information that was provided (which you kindly helped me with).  Please can you let me know my next course of action, just continue to ignore requests for payment?  I'm fully committed to my decision not to pay as I whole-heartedly disagree with their decision.

Full response copied below, redacted personal info:
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Decision - Unsuccessful
Assessor Name - XXXX
Assessor summary of operator case

The parking operator has issued a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) as the vehicle was parked in a permit area without displaying a permit.

Assessor summary of your case

The appellant has raised the following points from their grounds of appeal • They had been renting at XXX – the address on the PCN has a postcode for a different road (XXX) at which there is no number XX • They parked the car in their designated bay whilst sorting tax and insurance details • They were aware of the need for a permit but could not get one immediately (it was a Saturday) • The spoke with ‘Property management company’ and their estate agent on the following Monday when offices were open – messages were left • They had handed in their notice for the property at this point also • They believed they had shown the operator they had a right to park here, with the permit absence explained by mitigating circumstances • They do not disagree they parked in a permit controlled parking area without displaying a permit After reviewing the parking operator’s evidence, the appellant expands on their grounds of appeal. The appellant remarks the tenancy agreement allows parking and does not specify a requirement to display a permit. The appellant remarks a court would not find the £100 parking charge enforceable. The appellant has provided evidence to support their appeal. • Email chain with agent and statement about tenancy • V5 image • Image of the PCN The above evidence will be considered in making my decision.
Assessor supporting rational for decision

When assessing an appeal POPLA considers if the parking operator has issued the parking charge notice correctly and if the driver has complied with the terms and conditions for the use of the car park. The operator has provided documentary evidence to demonstrate the landowner has entered into a contract with them giving them authority to manage and enforce parking terms. A signage plan has also been submitted to demonstrate the private land upon which the alleged parking breach took place is within their controlled parking area. Whilst I do not doubt that the appellant was a tenant/resident of XXXX on the day of this parking event, I do not conclude there is sufficient evidence to demonstrate a tenancy agreement they have with the property agent exempts them from the parking terms enforced on the land surrounding the residential property. If the appellant believed it the terms of the tenancy agreement that authorised parking, it is unclear why they says they were aware of the need to obtain a separate permit to park. Parking operators are required to source details about the registered keeper from the DVLA only. I note the appellant has raised that the PCN was sent to XXX with a postcode listed for a different road. The appellant has sent a copy of their V5 to show when they acquired the vehicle, and notably this has the postcode XXX which is the same as the one used on the PCN and on the balance of probability sourced from the DVLA. I cannot fault the operator for using postcode that the DVLA held and V5 documents show to be the one associated with the appellant’s address at the time. The appellant evidently received the PCN and was able to appeal to the parking operator and subsequently appeal to POPLA. The postcode on the PCN would have no bearing one whether the vehicle parked compliantly and in line with listed terms and conditions on the 1st of October 2025. The terms of use communicated on signage placed by the operator at the site says that vehicles parked in numbered bays (the non-visitor bays) “Must be parked within designated bay with a valid permit displayed”. Notice is also given then failure to comply with the terms of use will result in a PCN for £100. The operator has submitted a series of time and date stamped images of the appellant vehicle parked in bay 17 within their controlled parking area. The operator has also sent digital images to show what a valid parking permit looks like. There is no valid parking permit seen visible in the appellant’s vehicle. The wardens photographs show the vehicle parked in close proximity to the operator’s terms of use signage. The appellant has explained how they came to own the vehicle at short notice and that it was not immediately possible to obtain a valid parking permit to display in the vehicle using bay 17. The appellant could have parked elsewhere until a permit was obtained to avoid receipt of a PCN. I cannot hold the operator ‘UK Parking Control Ltd’ at fault for any delayed responses from third parties such as ‘*Property Management Company*’ or the agent. I acknowledge the appellant states a court would not consider the £100 parking charge enforceable. The Supreme Court considered private parking charges in a high-profile case, ParkingEye v Beavis. The Court recognised that parking charges have all the characteristics of a contractual penalty, but nevertheless were enforceable because there were legitimate interests in the charging of overstaying motorists. It concluded that a charge in the region of £85 was proportionate, and it attached importance to the fact that the charge was prominently displayed in large lettering on the signage itself. While the specific facts of the case concerned a free-stay car park where the motorist had overstayed, I consider the principles that lie behind the decision remain the same. Taking these principles into account, I am not going to consider whether the loss is a genuine pre-estimate of loss or whether it reflects a correct loss to the landowner. Rather, I am going to consider the charge amount in the appellant’s case, as well as the legibility of the signage. After reviewing the signage provided by the operator, I am satisfied that the signage is legible, and the charge amount is in the region of £85 and therefore allowable. The Court’s full judgement in the case is available online should the appellant want to read it. After considering the evidence from both parties, I conclude the appellant parked in a permit area without displaying a valid permit and therefore did not comply with the terms and conditions of the site. As such, I am satisfied the parking charge has been issued correctly and I must refuse the appeal.
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: vloxxhydra on November 17, 2025, 03:09:05 pm
I did read through the entire text twice, and literally copied and pasted it over before clicking submit.

I don't feel me just saying thanks (and I sincerely mean it) would convey any where near the gratitude I have for you for helping me, regardless of what happens next.

Thank you.


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From: info@popla.co.uk
   
3:07 PM (1 minute ago)
   
to me

Dear XXXX

We are writing to update you about your appeal.

Your appeal is now ready to be assessed and is currently in a queue waiting to be allocated. We expect to make a decision on your appeal 6-8 weeks from the point that the appeal was first submitted. The next communication that you will receive from us will be the decision on your appeal.

Kind regards

POPLA Team

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Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: b789 on November 17, 2025, 02:35:34 pm
Don't overthink this. It's only POPLA and their decision is not binding on you if it is not successful.

The “my tenancy is the only contract that matters” point still stands, even if your landlord has signed a contract with UKPC. The landowner/landlord giving UKPC authority to operate on the site is a completely different thing from you, as tenant, agreeing to pay UKPC for using your own bay.

UKPC’s landowner contract only does one thing that matters here. It shows the landowner has authorised UKPC to operate a scheme and issue charges to people who breach whatever terms apply.

It does not create any contractual obligation from you, the tenant, to UKPC; or override or vary the terms of your tenancy; or allow the landlord to “take back” your parking space and turn it into a pay-per-breach trap.

Your legal position is still your right to use that allocated bay and comes from your tenancy and what was agreed (and advertised) when you took the flat. The landlord cannot, by a side contract with UKPC, derogate from that grant by allowing a third party to penalise you for normal use of the space that formed part of the let.

UKPC’s contract with the landowner is, at most, evidence of authority to deal with unauthorised or third-party vehicles. It does not magically make you their “customer” or “contracting party”. So yes, the “my tenancy is the primary contract” line absolutely still holds, even knowing the landlord has signed with UKPC.

Their line: “The parking charges issued by UK Parking Control Limited are based on a contractual agreement between UKPC and the driver, as detailed on the signage…” That might hold water for shoppers in a retail park, or random visitors, without any prior entitlement to park.

You are neither. You already had a pre-existing right to park in that bay, as part of the tenancy deal (“1-bedroom flat + 1 parking space”), no clause in your tenancy that requires a permit or requires compliance with UKPC’s regime or authorises a third party to charge you for using your own space.

In that context. when you park in your own allocated bay, you are exercising your tenancy right, not “accepting an offer” from UKPC’s sign. There is no new consideration, no clear agreement to pay, and no realistic sense in which you would be voluntarily signing up to pay £100+ to park in the space you are already paying rent for.

So your POPLA comment will draw a clear distinction, for a non-resident, the signs might be the only basis for a contract and for a resident with an allocated space, the signs cannot override the tenancy and cannot create a second, contradictory “contract” to pay for using that space.

Simply copy and paste the following into the response webform. DO not try to edit it or change anything:

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I make the following submissions in response to UKPC’s evidence.

First, my tenancy agreement is the only contract that governs my occupation of the flat and my use of the facilities that come with it, including the allocated parking space. The property was advertised and let to me as a one-bedroom flat with one parking space. I only ever park in that allocated bay. My tenancy agreement contains no clause requiring me to display a permit, no clause requiring me to comply with any private parking scheme, and no clause authorising a third-party parking company to levy charges against me for using my own space.

Under basic principles of landlord and tenant law, including the Landlord and Tenant Acts, a landlord cannot unilaterally change the terms of a residential tenancy by making a private side agreement with a third party. Any variation of the tenancy terms would require either a specific variation mechanism in the tenancy itself, a new agreement which I sign, or the use of a formal statutory procedure. None of that has happened here. There has been no variation of my tenancy, no fresh agreement, and no statutory process. My tenancy terms therefore remain exactly as originally granted: a flat with a parking space and no obligation to display a permit or to contract with UKPC.

The separate contract between the landowner or managing agent and UKPC does not bind me. I am not a party to it and I have never agreed to it. That contract may authorise UKPC to control and ticket vehicles which have no independent right to be on the land, but it does not and cannot override the rights granted to me by my tenancy. It cannot convert my normal use of my own allocated bay into a breach of some supposed “contract” with UKPC. It is legally incapable of varying my tenancy or imposing new financial obligations on me without my informed agreement.

UKPC claim that there is a contractual agreement between themselves and the driver, based on their signage. That might conceivably apply to a visitor or member of the public with no existing right to park. It does not apply to a tenant who already has a pre-existing right to park granted by a tenancy. When I park in my own allocated bay, I am exercising rights I already hold under my tenancy, not accepting UKPC’s “offer” on a sign. There is no meaningful offer and acceptance here, and no fresh consideration. I am simply using the parking space that formed part of the bargain when I rented the flat. The idea that I chose to enter into a second, inconsistent contract to pay UKPC £100 for the privilege of using what I already pay rent for is not credible.

Any permit scheme in this context can only be administrative. A resident’s permit is at most a way of identifying which vehicle belongs to which flat. It is evidence of an existing right to park, not the source of that right. Failing to display a permit for a short period does not extinguish the tenancy right to use the space and does not magically create a new obligation to pay penalties to a third-party contractor. UKPC has produced no clause from my tenancy that says otherwise, because no such clause exists.

Regarding the “relevant land” point, UKPC now say that Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 only requires the relevant land to be specified and does not require the identity of the road or city. That may be correct in the abstract, but it is not what happened in this case. On my Parking Charge Notice, UKPC chose to identify a specific road and address where they allege my car was parked. That address is wrong. I was not parked at the location written on the notice. I was parked in the parking space allocated to my flat at a different address, as shown by UKPC’s own photographs and by the email from my estate agent confirming which bay belongs to my flat.

Schedule 4 requires the notice to “specify the relevant land on which the vehicle was parked”. In my case, the land specified on the notice is not the land where my vehicle was actually parked. UKPC cannot dismiss this as a mere convenience when they themselves chose to give a specific location and got it wrong. If they wish to rely on Schedule 4 to pursue keeper liability, they must at least correctly identify the land on which the car was parked. They have not done so here. The notice is factually inaccurate about where my car was parked and therefore fails to correctly specify the relevant land. That alone is enough to defeat any attempt to hold the keeper liable under PoFA.

I do not dispute that UKPC has some form of contract with the landowner or managing agent, nor that they have signs, equipment or staff on site. That is not the issue in this appeal. The issue is whether UKPC has any lawful right to demand money from me, a tenant, for parking in the space that was let to me with my flat.

UKPC’s paragraph about equipment, signage and personnel “proving” authority entirely misses the point. It is perfectly possible for a landowner to authorise a parking company to manage unauthorised or visitor parking while the tenants’ own rights to use their allocated bays remain governed exclusively by their tenancies. That is exactly the situation here. My tenancy gives me the right to my bay; it has never been varied to require me to pay UKPC anything. The presence of signs and staff does not create a contract between UKPC and me, nor does it amend my tenancy.

UKPC’s statement “I am sure that if the parking operator was not allowed to issue charges on site the landowner would not permit the parking operator to keep its signage on site” is pure speculation and proves nothing. It tells POPLA nothing about the scope of UKPC’s authority in relation to tenants with allocated bays, and nothing about whether my tenancy rights can be overridden. Their own redacted contract does not say that tenants’ contractual rights under their leases or tenancies are displaced, and UKPC has produced no clause from my tenancy that does this either.

UKPC’s reliance on “contract by signage” is also logically one-sided. If I placed a sign in my car window stating that anyone who photographs my vehicle in my allocated bay agrees to pay me £100, no reasonable person or court would treat that as creating a genuine, enforceable contract. The photographer would not have freely accepted those terms, nor intended to enter into such a bargain, merely by performing their usual activity. Yet this is essentially what UKPC claims to have done to me: they say their signs can impose a substantial charge on a tenant already granted the right to park by a tenancy, without any proper negotiation or variation of that tenancy. This highlights how artificial UKPC’s “contract from a sign” theory is in the context of a resident with primacy of contract.

In short: even if UKPC has authority from the landowner to operate a scheme on the site, that authority does not bind me unless my own tenancy incorporates those terms or has been validly varied. It has not. Their generic assertions about signage and “authorisation” do not answer my core point that my tenancy has primacy, and that I never agreed to pay UKPC for using my own allocated space.

To summarise: I am a tenant whose flat was let with a parking space. I park only in that allocated space. My tenancy has never been varied to require me to display a permit or to submit to UKPC’s regime. The landlord’s private contract with UKPC cannot, as a matter of landlord and tenant law, unilaterally change my tenancy or impose new obligations on me. UKPC’s attempt to rely on signage to create a separate contract with me ignores the primacy of my tenancy and the fact that I am simply using what I already pay rent for. In addition, the Parking Charge Notice misidentifies the location and fails to correctly specify the relevant land for the purposes of PoFA.

For all of these reasons, there is no valid contract between me and UKPC for parking in my own bay, and no keeper liability arises. The appeal should be allowed.
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: vloxxhydra on November 17, 2025, 10:51:20 am
Trust me, you definitely will not be the first to have been snared by this scam. The main point is that you are not liable for the invoice. You have not breached any contract.

As long as you are aware that they will escalate this all the way to a county court claim in the hope that you are gullible enough to pay it out of ignorance and fear. They also know that if you let it go all the way, they are likely to get spanked in court and so will discontinue if the claim isn't first struck out.

Having just looked at the latest statistics for all claims issued in the county court for the last year, less than 3% ever reach a hearing. That's out of 1.73 million claims issued.


Hi b789,  OK if I follow up on just a couple of things with you?

I submitted my appeal to POPLA, mostly with what you provided (I only tweaked a few things to make it sound as if I was writing it, and added some things which I felt were relevant).   POPLA sent my appeal to UKPC who responded literally within an hour or two with 7 documents full of information - mostly picture of where I was parked.

We did establish that because there was no mention of the advertised parking space being permit-oritentated on my tenancy agreement, that I had no contractual agreement with UKPC.  UKPC went into detail about this and I have copy/pasted their response to POPLA:  "

"The contract between UK Parking Control Ltd and the landowner (or their managing
agent) authorising UKPC to provide parking management, and therefore issue
parking charges to vehicles breaching the terms of parking, is confidential and we
are unable to provide a copy for reasons of commercial sensitivity. We have
however provided a redacted copy, with sensitive information covered. The
redacted contract confirms our authority in an ongoing agreement. If neither party
terminates the contract, as in this case, the contract will continue on a rolling basis.
We have provided the T&C’s in relation to the rolling contract.
Although the BPA Code of Practice outlines what authorisation must set out, we
have also shown that beyond checking documentation; there is equipment, signage
and on occasion personnel on site to manage the function of enforcement and this
cannot happen without the landowner’s authority. I am sure that if the parking
operator was not allowed to issue charges on site the landowner would not permit
the parking operator to keep its signage on site nor would the landowner allow
motorists to park on its land without authorisation"

No doubt this is a generic response - hwoever they did provide a copy of the signed contract between UKPC and the land owner. My response to their authorty to issue me a ticket was that my tenancy is the only contract that matters here. My right to live in the flat – and to use the facilities that come with it.  Will this still hold up, baring in mind that the home owner (my landlord) signed a contract with UKPC themselves?  They further state:
"The parking charges issued by UK Parking Control Limited are based on a
contractual agreement between UKPC and the driver, as detailed on the signage
displayed in the car park." 

Now I'm not really sure how to respond to this, other than saying that I had a sign in my car that if it's photographed, then the individual/company who took that photo, if they didn't obtain permission first, they will need to pay a £100 charge.  I will create a sign and take a picture of it in my car.   However, I know this is a facetious response and I don't really want to go down that route as I do not find this whole situation funny.

Lastly, with regards to my comments to POPLA that the parking charge notice said I wasn't parked in the space the notice said I was, UKPC's response was:

"Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 refers to ‘relevant land’, which
must be specified on a parking charge. However, the act does not require the
identity of the road, or city or any other place- only the ‘relevant land’ is essential.
The name of the land provided by UKPC has been chosen to reflect the site, and in
the cases of large sites, a single name is chosen for convenience, with one address
for ease of location. Of course, large sites such as XXXXX often consist of many
interior roads and areas and it would be impractical to detail every section in one
address of the parking charge notice. Instead, only the name of the relevant land and
a single address are included and as such, we are confident that we have correctly
identified the relevant land, to reasonably reflect the car parking area the parking
charge was issued, and we reject the motorist’s argument that we have failed to do
so."
 
I have written my reply to this, please let me know if you feel any adjustments are required: I have quoted their paragraph and stated: UKPC have stated "the act does not require the identity of the road, or city or any other place- only the ‘relevant land’ is essential".  The parking charge notice should be considered invalid because they did not adhere to schedule 4, as per their comments.   In my charge notice they DID identify the road where I was parked - and it was incorrect. I was not parked at XXXX like the notice states.  I was parked in the parking space allocated to me at XXX when I signed the tenancy agreement.  I have attached confirmation of where my car was parked (in the picture in their notice) in my previous submission, along with an email from my Estate Agent confirming this.

As always, thanks again for your help fighting this.




Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: b789 on November 15, 2025, 02:03:41 pm
Trust me, you definitely will not be the first to have been snared by this scam. The main point is that you are not liable for the invoice. You have not breached any contract.

As long as you are aware that they will escalate this all the way to a county court claim in the hope that you are gullible enough to pay it out of ignorance and fear. They also know that if you let it go all the way, they are likely to get spanked in court and so will discontinue if the claim isn't first struck out.

Having just looked at the latest statistics for all claims issued in the county court for the last year, less than 3% ever reach a hearing. That's out of 1.73 million claims issued.
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: vloxxhydra on November 14, 2025, 03:18:43 pm
Just note that UKPC probably get paid nothing for putting up signs and “policing” the parking area, in return for which they get to keep all the money they can extort from people they decide have broken their rules.

The amount of money to be made by frightening people into paying them is large. The real villains in the piece are the people who engaged them in the first place.

I think they'll have a contract with the Flats' Management Company (who I need to request the parking permit from, but not directly, as I'm not the homeowner!).  Wouldn't surprise me one bit if this whole situation where the delay of issuing them is rinse/repeated in order for this parking company to extort people like me. I tend to keep myself to myself and don't speak to anyone in my vicinity, but wouldn't surprise me if I wasn't the first this has happened to.   
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: jfollows on November 14, 2025, 02:55:07 pm
Just note that UKPC probably get paid nothing for putting up signs and “policing” the parking area, in return for which they get to keep all the money they can extort from people they decide have broken their rules.

The amount of money to be made by frightening people into paying them is large. The real villains in the piece are the people who engaged them in the first place.
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: vloxxhydra on November 14, 2025, 02:37:41 pm
Good. So we now need to see the PCN, your appeal wording and their appeal rejection. You only need to redact your won personal info, the PCN number and the VRM. Leave everything else unredacted, especially all the dates and times.

You can search the forum for recent POPLA appeals and start to put something together which you can show us before you submit anything.

This will be a life learning experience for you. If you have any pre-existing concerns about this, feel free to ask and we'll try and explain.

PCN attached (redacted)

https://postimg.cc/56Mg07Vx

Appeal wording used:

The reason for my appeal is I am a tenant in the property where my car was parked (in Flat XX, XXX)- this is where you sent the parking charge notice to (please see attached) (edit:  this shows a picture of my car in its designated parking space at the address the PCN was sent to). I did not have a parking permit before purchasing this vehicle on 27/09 because I did not own any vehicle before or during my tenancy here. I recently purchased the vehicle (please see attached - edit: this is the V5C showing acquisition date) 3 days before I was given the charge notice. I did not have time to arrange for a permit from the Estate Agent who let the property to me and I do not have a XXXXX (edit - Management company of the property I was renting) account to request one independently because I am not the property owner. I spoke to my Estate Agent who will happily verify everything I'm saying: XXXXXXXXXXXX Estate Agents in XXX - contact name: XXX - Email address: xXXXXX.  Telephone No: XXX - Happy to provide any further information should you require.

I genuinely (stupidly) thought as soon as they knew I lived at the property, they'd waive the charge. I also replied late to the PCN because I don't really look at hard post anymore as I deal with nearly everything of importance online, but it was still replied to within the allotted time.

Their response:  We have carefully considered your appeal based on the information provided and the evidence supporting the parking charge. In this instance having completed our assessment, we consider the parking charge to have been correctly issued, as the vehicle was parked on site without displaying a valid permit. Our appeals process is now concluded, you may now choose one of the following options: - here they outline how I can pay, if I want to appeal to POPLA or what happens if I just ignore their request - I think you'll be aware that this is mostly generic info so I've not added it to this post.

It was at this point I came to the conclusion that this isn't going away and can't believe they're following through with it.  I started a POPLA appeal, not before going over everything in fine detail this time, noticing the error on the PCN where it states where I was parked (wrong postcode and it saying "in an area" instead of in a designated parking spot.  I didn't want to leave anything to chance with POPLA, so I posted on another forum and someone kindly directed me to here.

I am putting some wording together for POPLA now, thanks again for your help.
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: b789 on November 14, 2025, 01:15:31 pm
Good. So we now need to see the PCN, your appeal wording and their appeal rejection. You only need to redact your won personal info, the PCN number and the VRM. Leave everything else unredacted, especially all the dates and times.

You can search the forum for recent POPLA appeals and start to put something together which you can show us before you submit anything.

This will be a life learning experience for you. If you have any pre-existing concerns about this, feel free to ask and we'll try and explain.
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: vloxxhydra on November 14, 2025, 12:28:53 pm
b789 - thank you very much for your comprehensive response and all the information provided, it is really appreciated, thank you for taking the time to write it.

You asked me a question, which might be rhetoric, "So, are you going to fight this or am I wasting my time?".  I did put in my initial post asking if I should just pay it, which possibly is where your question stems from.  I have absolutely no intention of paying and will fight to the very end, no matter who wins, I will exhaust (excuse the pun) all avenues.

Thanks again.

Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: b789 on November 14, 2025, 12:16:57 pm
This is why you come here for advice. Your lack of understanding of the law and your rights is a classic example of how these bottom-dwelling, unregulated private parking firms intimidate the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.

Your tenancy is the only contract that matters here. Your right to live in the flat – and to use the facilities that come with it – comes from your tenancy agreement (AST) with your landlord, together with what was advertised and agreed when you took the property.

The flat was let “with a parking space”. The Rightmove advert saying “1-bedroom flat + 1 parking space” is part of the deal. You took the tenancy and pay rent on the basis that a parking space comes with the flat. You then park in the numbered bay allocated to that flat. That is not a privilege granted by the parking company; it is part of what you are already paying for.

There is no requirement in your tenancy to display a permit. You have gone through your tenancy agreement and there is nothing in it that:
• requires you to display a permit, or
• requires you to comply with a third-party parking scheme, or
• authorises any unregulated private parking firm to charge you for using your own bay.

That silence is important. It means there is no contractual obligation between you and your landlord to display a permit, and no agreed right for some outside company to start demanding money from you for using the space.

A third-party parking company cannot override your tenancy. Your tenancy has primacy of contract. It is the agreement that governs your right to occupy the flat and use the parking space, regardless of when any signs or permit scheme were put in place.

The managing agent or their contractors cannot change your tenancy or impose new financial obligations on you simply by erecting signs in the car park. You have never agreed, in your tenancy, to be bound by a separate contract with a private parking firm or to pay them charges for parking in the space that was let to you as part of the property.

Any permit scheme is, at best, an administrative courtesy. In law, a resident’s permit in a car park like this is simply a way to show who is entitled to be there. It is evidence of your existing right to park; it is not the source of that right.
So:
• Displaying a permit is a courtesy, not a legal requirement under your tenancy.
• Forgetting or not yet having a permit does not destroy your right to use the bay that was let to you with the flat.

You did not enter a new contract with the parking company by parking in your own bay. Their standard line is that by parking, you agreed to the terms on their signs, including the “charge”. That might work (sometimes) against visitors or strangers who have no pre-existing rights. But you are not a stranger. You already have rights under your tenancy. You are exercising those rights when you park in your own bay. You are not “accepting an offer” from the parking company; you are simply using what you already pay for.

The wrong postcode on the notice underlines that their paperwork is sloppy. It is another indication that they are not even describing the alleged contravention accurately. On its own it may not kill the charge, but it supports the overall picture that this is a sloppily-issued speculative invoice, not some precise, lawful claim.

So, should you pay this? Why on earth would you pay some third party scammer because they sent you a speculative invoice for an alleged breach of contract by the driver?

You parked in your own allocated bay. Your tenancy does not require a permit or submission to a private parking scheme. The space was clearly part of what you were renting.

On that basis, you are on very solid ground to say you do not owe this company a penny. I would not advise anyone to pay it.

You should push back hard. The core message you give them is:
• you are the lawful tenant of this flat.
• The flat was let to you with a parking space, which you use exclusively.
• Your tenancy contains no term requiring a permit and no term allowing any private parking firm to charge you for using your own bay.
• Your signs cannot vary or override my tenancy.
• Any permit scheme is purely administrative and does not create a contract for you to pay them money.
• You do not accept that you owe you anything and you will not be paying this charge.

So, are you going to fight this or am I wasting my time?
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: vloxxhydra on November 14, 2025, 10:41:32 am
Yes, the signs mean nothing if your lease or equivalent do not require you to have a permit.

Thank you for your response.  I do believe, however, that if I use the argument that "my tenancy agreement doesn't state that I require a permit", that their default response would be that my tenancy agreement doesn't say anything about a parking space being part of my tenancy.   
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: vloxxhydra on November 14, 2025, 10:37:11 am
What, PRECISELY, does your lease/tenancy agreement say about parking? What it doesn't say about parking is equally important. For example, does your lease make any mention of a requirement to display a permit?

Once you have shown us everything that your lease says about parking, we can then give you the advice you need on how to deal with this.

Thank you for your response.  I just read through the tenancy agreement and there is no mention at all about anything relating to a parking spot/permit (I did do a thorough look through + did a wordsearch for keywords - nothing.  The Rightmove ad does state it was for a 1-bedroom flat + 1 parking space (nothing about a permit requirement, however the car park itself has multiple signs saying a permit is required).
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: jfollows on November 14, 2025, 10:35:36 am
Yes, the signs mean nothing if your lease or equivalent do not require you to have a permit.
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: vloxxhydra on November 14, 2025, 10:34:25 am
What, PRECISELY, does your lease/tenancy agreement say about parking? What it doesn't say about parking is equally important. For example, does your lease make any mention of a requirement to display a permit?

Once you have shown us everything that your lease says about parking, we can then give you the advice you need on how to deal with this.

Thank you for your response.  I just read through the tenancy agreement and nowhere does it mention anything in there about a parking space.   I read through it thoroughly and also did a search for key words such as park/parking, space, vehicle, permit = nothing at all.   The advertisement which was on rightmove did say it was for a 1-bedroom flat with allocated parking space - mentions nothing about a permit on that, however, the car park itself has a few signs saying this requires a permit.
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: b789 on November 14, 2025, 09:32:46 am
What, PRECISELY, does your lease/tenancy agreement say about parking? What it doesn't say about parking is equally important. For example, does your lease make any mention of a requirement to display a permit?

Once you have shown us everything that your lease says about parking, we can then give you the advice you need on how to deal with this.
Title: Re: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: jfollows on November 14, 2025, 07:18:02 am
When you say
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the space does require a parking permit
can you confirm that this is a requirement of your lease/tenancy agreement/leasehold and not just something invented by the management company or property owner with no legal foundation?
Title: England - Parking ticket for parking in my own designated parking spot
Post by: vloxxhydra on November 13, 2025, 10:16:10 pm
I was recently issued a Parking Charge Notice, as my car was parked in my flat's designated parking space without a permit (the space does require a parking permit). Please can you look at my notes below and let me know if this charge is actually valid and if I should just pay it (I do feel it's unjust for the reason's I've listed below)

-    The parking space is specifically for my flat in a communal car park (each flat has its own space numbered) which I am renting - nobody else has a right to park there (so I wasn't taking someone else's space);

-    I have no authority to request parking permit directly from the Property Management company who issues these permits, it has to be directly from the property owner;

-    The car was purchased on impulse, it was not pre-planned prior to the date I purchased it, as it was an excellent deal and I was only passively looking with no real intent (I give this information to let you know I could not have pre-arranged a parking permit in advance of me purchasing the vehicle);

-    The car was purchased on a Saturday, I could not speak to the Estate Agent until the following Monday, who in turn (I guess), spoke to the property owner to start proceedings of getting a permit. I thought the Estate Agent would have a permit to just give to me, but they didn't.

-   I left my car in the designated spot thinking it'd be OK because I lived at the property and I had a permit on its way - but it clearly wasn't.

I received a charge notice on the following week (it was recorded on Wednesday and mailed to me by the end of that week), I didn't think too much of it at the time as I thought all I needed to do was say to them what I've stated above, proving that I lived there and the car purchase was new (I provided a copy of my V5C) along wit hthe information that I was in the middle of ontaining a permit, I thought that clear up the issue - it didn't.  The company who issued this notice replied to my appeal saying there were no mitigating circumstances here and it was my responsibility to ensure I had a permit to park in the spot I was in - they rejected my appeal and so I am intending to raise a POPLA appeal.

The parking charge notice did have some factually incorrect information on it, it said and I quote, "It was parked in an area at postcode XXXX" where the postcode given was wrong.

I do feel extremely hard done by here, but was I in the wrong and should I just pay it?  Would really appreciate your input/advice.