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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: bimmerfan on November 13, 2025, 05:39:24 pm
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The bottom line is that for the PCN to be valid you must have passed a CPZ sign. There is no sign when you enter Bond Way, the only way of getting to Miles Street using a car.
And as you now have the Notice to Owner, it is a no-brainer to take them all the way to London Tribunals because the statutory discount period has ended. You need to challenge them on their statement about a CPZ sign because clearly there is no sign.
Never, ever think that London councils follow the process correctly, or even at all; experience of this forum is they will be mendacious and disingenuous in every letter they send out.
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After viewing the GSV once again, I think I may have caught something of contention? On rejection letter it states: Inside a Controlled Zone, the information may be on Controlled Zone signs instead. Controlled Zone signs are like border-crossing signs: you will have passed one as you entered the zone. However, there is only a sign that the controlled zone ends, the sign where the controlled zone begins, is not the route that I took to park on the road, here is the GSV of the sign: https://maps.app.goo.gl/LVWrLDuYoiJmxDS19
There are bollards blocking vehicles from going straight from the CPZ start to the CPZ end, I have illustrated what I mean here: https://ibb.co/jjpNWdx
Yellow is the route I took to park, CPZ sign start indicated in Purple and where I parked in green, I note that there is no sign for CPZ start anywhere along the yellow boundary from the exit to where I was parked.
Therefore, from driving through the road to where the vehicle is parked, there is only a sign for controlled zone ends, but at no where do I see a sign for controlled zone.
Is this a feasible argument?
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I don't believe it is DYL, just SYL
All the GSV views show a SYL
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I don't believe it is DYL, just SYL
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Well if the council think that is a SYL then IMO your argument that they are too badly degraded is reenforced because looking carefully they are DYL
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I used the same appeal for both PCNs, here it is: https://ibb.co/Q7mSRSw6
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There are no local signs, so one must assume you are in a Controlled Parking Zone (CPZ).
Is it possible to post up your representations, please. The rejection is their usual Fob-Off letter, which I assume has re-offered the discount. London councils refuse almost all informal challenges, because they know that people then just cough-up to get the discount.
It is obvious that the yellow line is worn even without builders dust covering it, but if you want to fight these PCNs the council, (who keep all the money if you cough-up), will refuse all reps until you register an appeal at London Tribunals when they might give way, but the discount option will be long gone by them.
FWIW, I think you have a reasonable case, but it is certainly not a "slam-dunk" win, in my opinion.
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Hi all, looking for some advice if I should just pay these fines or risk taking it to the tribunal as Lambeth council have rejected my representation.
The driver unknowingly parked on a single yellow for two days consecutively (someone removed the sticker on windscreen on the first day so no knowledge of the first fine) The lines are very faded and were covered with construction dust as there is a big building site right next to where the vehicle was parked.
Link to pcn and pictures: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1cosbhkGECLerzpYdSfzKiTzT1fUxQi7w?usp=sharing
GSV: https://maps.app.goo.gl/oFz3zZdqEawivKyQA
Thank you!