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Title: Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
Post by: John U.K. on December 25, 2025, 02:47:34 pm
Quote from: conormac100 on December 25, 2025, 01:54:55 pm
Happy Christmas everyone.

I recently got the same letter regarding the right-turn violation off Hornsey road into Fairbridge Road.
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Thanks, Conor

Welcome, Conor,  to FTLA.

For meaningful advice in your own case please to have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/

and start your own thread with a brief account of the circumstances, posting up there
(use
ibb.co (https://imgbb.com/) or https://imgpile.com/
for posting images.
Wherever possible, use the BBCode.)

all sides of the  PCN (only redact yr name & address - leave everything else in),
any council photos/video,
and
a GSV link to the location.

Title: Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
Post by: conormac100 on December 25, 2025, 01:54:55 pm
Happy Christmas everyone.

I recently got the same letter regarding the right-turn violation off Hornsey road into Fairbridge Road.
I got frustrated at an incredibly slow vehicle in front and took an early right turn (oops).

Did anyone have any joy in appealing this?

I see Hippocrates mentioned the wording problem ("if you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or if you fail to make representations")
Is this worth pursuing, as I'm aware if I lose the damage will be even more (£160!!).

Thanks,
Conor
Title: Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
Post by: Hippocrates on November 10, 2025, 04:16:06 pm
See my first link in my profile: PCN is invalid.
Title: Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
Post by: Incandescent on November 07, 2025, 07:48:44 pm
Quote from: HateTFL on November 07, 2025, 07:40:19 pm
Is it legal for the no right turn to be signposted on the left hand side considering in the UK we drive on the right hand side - This is a pure trap
Er, we drive on the left side of the road !
I see NRT signs all over the place on the left side of the road, so you'll have a real problem convincing an adjudicator.
Title: Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
Post by: HateTFL on November 07, 2025, 07:40:19 pm
Is it legal for the no right turn to be signposted on the left hand side considering in the UK we drive on the right hand side - This is a pure trap
Title: Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
Post by: Incandescent on November 07, 2025, 07:36:23 pm
The test for signage is, apart from use of approved signs, one of adequacy. So if you want to fight this PCN, you have to convince the adjudicator the signage is inadequate.  There is no definition of "adequacy" for road signs; one person's 'adequate, is another's 'inadequate'. Stamfordman says it looks OK and I am inclined to agree. Of course if the video shows a large high-sided vehicle in front of you, you may have a valid argument, so I suggest you look at the video.
Title: Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
Post by: HateTFL on November 07, 2025, 03:56:18 pm
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Title: Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
Post by: HateTFL on November 07, 2025, 03:54:00 pm
The problem is the no right turn is on the left lamp post so its missed when you are looking out for ppeople and other cars
Title: Re: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
Post by: stamfordman on November 07, 2025, 03:52:57 pm
The signage looks fine and won't win you an appeal.

Post the first page of the PCN for a check.

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Title: Hornsey Road / Fairbridge Road - No Right Turn
Post by: HateTFL on November 07, 2025, 01:40:31 pm
Hi all,

I’ve received a PCN from Islington Council for failing to comply with a “No Right Turn” sign at the junction of Hornsey Road and Fairbridge Road (N19).

I’ve reviewed the location on Street View and in the council’s evidence stills, and it seems both “No Right Turn” signs (diagram 612) are positioned on the left-hand side only — one slightly before the junction and another a few metres ahead, both mounted on lampposts on the same side.
There is no corresponding sign on the right-hand side of the carriageway or on the central island.

From a driver’s position in the centre/right lane, visibility of those signs can be poor — especially if there’s a bus or large vehicle in the nearside lane.

Evidence

Council’s own stills show both signs on the left only.

Google Street View: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5686975,-0.1235456,3a,75y,159.86h,86.1t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s29Y8rQt0wRG9lxoHTl5ZZQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D3.9047975456189903%26panoid%3D29Y8rQt0wRG9lxoHTl5ZZQ%26yaw%3D159.85966943740917!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTEwNC4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

PCN video shows my car turning right into Fairbridge Road.

Grounds I’m considering

The signage does not comply with the Traffic Signs Manual (Chapter 3, para 4.18), which says that where a “No Right Turn” sign is provided on the left, a duplicate should normally be provided on the right-hand side or central refuge if the restriction might not be clearly visible from all lanes.

Therefore, the signage was not adequate to give proper notice to a reasonably observant motorist as required by the TSRGD 2016.

🧩 Questions

Has this junction (Hornsey Rd → Fairbridge Rd) been discussed before or taken to the tribunal?

Has anyone won an appeal at this location due to signage being on one side only?

Would it strengthen my case to cite examples where adjudicators accepted similar arguments (e.g. single-sided “no turn” signage)?

Any help or references to past cases much appreciated!

Thanks in advance,


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