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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: ahsan on November 06, 2025, 02:40:08 pm
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Well done ! It all came right for you in the end.
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They cancelled the PCN and sent email which might have gone to spam as I have no record in my email about it.
Thanks everyone for you help.
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I've sent an email to them yesterday to confirm they have cancelled the ticket, fingers crossed I get positive response from them.
Ill keep you guys updated.
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I'd hold off a bit longer, if I were you. They may have already sent out a response and it's still in the post.
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I applied online, Sunday will be 56 days, Ill send them an email on Monday and enquire about the outcome.
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The 56 days is counted from the date the council receive the representations. So if you send by post you must allow for that. If done on-line then obviously they get the reps straightaway.
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I have calculated it’s 51 days including weekends since I appealed I’ll wait another week and send them email.
This is the email I found:
parking@bathnes.gov.uk
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When I use their form to make a payment and put pcn number and reg number, I see this message:
There is currently nothing outstanding on this notice.
Looks like they have cancelled it without telling you. but best to check with them. I would do this by email quoting the PCN Number and telling them you submitted representations on <date>. The period the council is allowed for responding to those representations is 56 days. It is now <nn> days since the representations were submitted, well over the 56 day limit, therefore the PCN must be cancelled.
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When I use their form to make a payment and put pcn number and reg number, I see this message:
There is currently nothing outstanding on this notice.
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Hi all,
I haven't received any letter or email from Bath council, usually you receive a reply within a month (at least from councils in London) but it's now close to two months, should I be a bit worried?
Thanks.
Worry not.
The PCN was surely served under the Traffic Management Act 2004 ? Regulation 6 of The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022 puts a mandatory limit of 56 days from receipt of formal representations against a postal PCN :-
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2022/9780348232752/regulation/6
So they are either close to the 56 day limit or have exceeded it. Have you checked on their website to see the status of the PCN ?
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Hi all,
I haven't received any letter or email from Bath council, usually you receive a reply within a month (at least from councils in London) but it's now close to two months, should I be a bit worried?
Thanks.
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Best of luck.
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I have appealed today, I’ll keep you informed how it went.
Thanks.
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Refer to it by the date it was heard and the location.
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Hi @LR do you remember the name of case I want to refer it in my appeal?
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Looking at the adjudication that has been posted, it is clear that the signage has remained unchanged, so there is a good case for taking them to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal citing this case of 2023. The key point made by the adjudicator is that although there is a warning sign as one turns into George Street, it is positioned very aukwardly bearing in mind the driver will be concentrating on making the turn and avoiding hazards like jaywalkers etc. The sign needs to be closer to the actual barred turn.
So if you are prepared to stand your ground and forego the discount, take them to the TPT. Of course it means if you lost it's an extra £35 to what you are already in for. TPT adjudications are now phone or video nowadays so no need to attend an adjudication centre.
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@Incandescent I have put all the pages of ticket now in this drive folder:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1NE2UNf8BehtruRSUizWqqSIuexUbkNW-
There wasn’t much on following pages apart from how to appeal and appeal letter that’s why didn’t added.
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I have just watched the video and note that BANES have changed the camera angles, so that the loading bay on George St. (to the right of the entrance to Milsom St.) is no longer shown. Sneaky, as if this bay is occupied, especially by a van or lorry, the chances of seeing the signs on your approach are nil until you've committed to turn.
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I won my appeal against this bus lane back in 2023. Unfortunately, I'm experiencing some computer difficulties at the moment, so can't post my appeal, but here's the Adjudicators notes on the case:
1. This case was determined on 17 October 2003 without a hearing.
2. Mr XXX appeals on the basis that the signage for this bus gate (simply a short length of bus-only street) was not sufficient to give him proper warning of the restriction in time to take avoiding action.
3. He argues that the two advance warning signs are positioned in such a way that the driver has limited time to see and understand them. The signs at the actual entry point are set back a short distance inside the turning, which makes them difficult to see them until the turn is actually commenced.
4. Mr XXX has provided various photographs of the area, which I have seen and considered.
5. The Council has provided the footage of the incident, which shows that the bus gate was entered by the vehicle turning right into the restriction.
6. Mr XXX points out that it is just possible to see a vehicle in the loading bay which is situated immediately before the turn. Mr XXX has provided a photograph at Evidence #4 showing that vehicles in the loading bay can restrict the view of a driver approaching the bus gate from that direction.
7. I have had regard to recent decisions of other adjudicators regarding the signage for this bus gate, but all of the relevant decisions involve a vehicle turning left from George Street, not turning right as Mr XXX did.
8. The test I need to apply is whether the situation, looked at as a whole, gives adequate warning to a driver in time to take avoiding action.
9. Firstly there is an advance sign in Gay Street warning that there is a bus-only restriction in Milsom Street. However that sign is obviously only useful if the driver knows the location of Milsom Street, and therefore appears to be directed at locals.
10. Secondly there is an advance warning sign just after the turn into George Street, which is a more useful map-based sign, showing that there is a bus-only restriction at the next turn right. However, after comparing the various photographs provided by Mr XXX and the Council, I do find that this sign is located only 4-5 yards after the right hand turn round into George Street from Gay Street, which gives drivers very little time to see and consider its contents.
11. The next sign that a driver might see is the entry point sign on the right-hand pavement at the bus gate junction itself. Both entry point signs have been sensibly angled so that at least one sign will be visible to a driver, whether approaching from the east or west. However, the signs are set back perhaps 3-4 yards inside the junction, which must restrict their visibility to an extent. As Mr XXX points out, there is also a loading bay immediately prior to the junction which will, if occupied, further restrict the early visibility of the signs for a driver turning right. I accept that the video footage shows a vehicle in the loading bay at the time that Mr Roberts approached.
12. Looking at the situation as a whole, I find that the first warning sign will only be significant for someone with local knowledge of the area, the second advance warning sign may well be missed by a driver negotiating the right hand turn, and, if so, a driver may only see the signs as the turn right into the restriction is commenced, with the possibility of vehicles in the loading bay further restricting vision. At that point it might well be too late to safely avoid the restriction. I therefore find the signage inadequate when approaching this restriction from the direction requiring a right-hand turn.
13. I therefore find the contravention did not occur, and I allow this appeal. I direct the Council to cancel the penalty charge notice.
Hope this helps. :)
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You made a right turn into Milsom Street from George Street. Unfortunately for you, there is an advance warning sign as you turn into George Street : -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Cs4BMpVeoe6aMdA17
When you passed the two signs did you not realise what they meant ? The restriction applies 10am to 6pm.
Can you please follow the rule for the forum and post up the full PCN, please, only redacting name and address, so we can check it for fatal errors.
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Hi all,
I went to see Roman Baths(Live in London was visiting with family during term break) and got this ticket today in the post, I wanted to park closer to Roman Bath, googled and found New Bond Street at the end of Milsom Street had dedicated Disabled parking bays(We have a valid Blue Badge), Navigation took me to New Bond Street via Milsom street I didn't realized I'm entering a bus lane. Is there anything which can be done to avoid this ticket?
Bath ticketing portal to view ticket: https://parking.bathnes.gov.uk/Pages/OnlineReferenceEntry.aspx?loadtype=FORMAL
Reg No: LK11KNP
PCN No: BN83457756
Web code: 113PY226
GSV Misom Street: https://tinyurl.com/4ukcy66w
GSV New Bond Street: https://tinyurl.com/mum2t4jt
Thanks in advance for your help.