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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Teacholic on November 03, 2025, 07:25:35 pm

Title: Re: Notice of enforcement from CDER GROUP (PCN 53; LB of Islington)
Post by: H C Andersen on November 04, 2025, 09:06:21 am
DVLA V5C
As regards the Traffic Enforcement Centre, they're more interested in how quickly you applied to change your V5C after moving. When the V5C was issued is a clue, but it's not the answer. If you applied by post and DVLA took a week on receipt then it's not the gap of 14/5 to 14/6, it could be 15/5 to 16/5, the rest of the period 16/5 to 14/6 being down to DVLA, not you. I've given an extreme example, but the point remains.


Delivery of PCN
Although the authority has to use the RK address at date of contravention, whether you were 'at home' to receive post is contingent upon when the PCN was sent. They have 28 days. As above, the PCN might not have been issued until 10/6, in which case a gap of 10/6 to 14/6 would be a shoo-in with TEC.

We need more essential details pl.

So, IMO:

Pay CDER, as this caps your liability;
Find out the date the PCN was issued;
Tell us how and when you notified DVLA to change your V5C.
Title: Re: Notice of enforcement from CDER GROUP (PCN 53; LB of Islington)
Post by: Incandescent on November 03, 2025, 11:16:07 pm
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Are those forms to cancel enforcement from CDER group or to completely cancel the PCN or reverse it back to PCN?
All the forms do is allow you to report that you missed a stage in the enforcement process. If accepted, (and acceptance of an OOT SD is not guaranteed), the process is reverted back; the PCN is not cancelled.
Title: Re: Notice of enforcement from CDER GROUP (PCN 53; LB of Islington)
Post by: Teacholic on November 03, 2025, 11:06:15 pm
Quote from: stamfordman on November 03, 2025, 07:46:02 pm
If you had mail redirection it's possible your previous logbook address wasn't correct but paradoxically moving and updating the V5C may be a benefit.

Contravention date 14/05/25
new V5C was issued on 14/06/25

This is just a month so an out of time declaration should succeed.

What date did you move?

The correct forms for moving traffic are PE2/PE3.

We usually recommend paying now as a successful OOT gets a refund and reset but you do have a bit of time before a visit (which adds £235, which you really don't want and I wouldn't trust them an inch).

It is a lot of money to pay now but I could use credit card. Rather not to need to pay extra £237 or have more stress about their visit, I work from home a lot.

I actually moved from the old address in January 2025 but my living situation was unstable. I had set up RM redirection for 3 months to my friends address until 12/04. I then found a place and when I renewed RM redirection (for 6 months) I gave my current address and I’ve been here ever since. I actually forgot about VC5. I think I changed it because of this contravention. I entered the street but did u turn literally within seconds as I realised it might be pedestrian zone only. I then remembered I’ve not changed VC5 and thought I’ll do it just in case I’ll get PCN. I thought I got it wrong because I’ve not heard for ages about it.

Thank you. I had a look at PE3 form. So in the box for reasons for not receiving the PCN shall I put just that I changed address within a month of contravention and that despite setting up redirection service with RM I’ve not received the PCN?

Are those forms to cancel enforcement from CDER group or to completely cancel the PCN or reverse it back to PCN?
Title: Re: Notice of enforcement from CDER GROUP (PCN 53; LB of Islington)
Post by: Incandescent on November 03, 2025, 09:01:54 pm
The PCN would have been served under the London Local Authorities & Transport for London Act 2003. As Stamfordman advises, the correct submission to TEC will be an Out-of-Time Statutory Declaration, Forms PE2 and PE3.
Being OOT, the council can object, but you have a pretty cast iron excuse as you set up mail redirection, and had updated your V5C within a month of the alleged contravention date.

The above forms need witnessing so a small cost is involved if you use a solicitor, but you can get the forms witnessed free-of-charge at your local county court.

Here are the downloadable TEC forms: -
https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/traffic-enforcement-centre-forms
Title: Re: Notice of enforcement from CDER GROUP (PCN 53; LB of Islington)
Post by: stamfordman on November 03, 2025, 07:46:02 pm
If you had mail redirection it's possible your previous logbook address wasn't correct but paradoxically moving and updating the V5C may be a benefit.

Contravention date 14/05/25
new V5C was issued on 14/06/25

This is just a month so an out of time declaration should succeed.

What date did you move?

The correct forms for moving traffic are PE2/PE3.

We usually recommend paying now as a successful OOT gets a refund and reset but you do have a bit of time before a visit (which adds £235, which you really don't want and I wouldn't trust them an inch).
Title: Notice of enforcement from CDER GROUP (PCN 53; LB of Islington)
Post by: Teacholic on November 03, 2025, 07:25:35 pm
Hallo,

I just received today Notice of Enforcement from CDER GROUP (enforcements agents based in Darlington) for £325. It’s says because I’ve not paid £250 to LB Islington (Road traffic) (JBW). The debt is enforced under PCN. Contravention date 14/05/25. Warrant issue date 16/10/25. Location: Hargrove Park CcTv zone p. Other details: 53, failing to comply with a restriction on vehicles entering pedestrian zone.

They charged me £75 for compliance stage fee.

Payment deadline is 6am 19/11/25.

I moved houses and have not updated V5C until June 2025, I think (new V5C was issued on 14/06/25). I did have Royal Mail redirection service at the time and nothing was redirected from old address during that time. I’ve not gotten any letters from the actual council since change of address on V5C. I’ve not received any Warrant Issue, that according to them was issued on 16/10.

In thinking of filing TE7 & TE9 to Traffic Enforcement Centre (TEC) at Northampton County Court, so I can challenge the PCN or just paid reduced charge!

There was most likely 2 weeks or so that my new address was not updated after the contravention date. I had RM redirection service though. How bad is this? Would it affect TE7 & TE9?

I think lb Islington must have not sent me another letter to my new address after I did not reply initially.

I appreciate your help navigating this.

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