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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Martyn21uk on November 03, 2025, 01:05:04 pm
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Thanks very much HCA. You are right in pretty much everything there.
Ultimately it will just end up getting messy and will probably be harder to unravel than it is worth for the sake of £80.
I will remind her about what a yellow line means ;D ;D
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Do we think there is much of an opportunity that they will not follow due procedure? And if so, does that actually carry much chance at tribunal?
Will you pl confirm, as opposed to us having to determine from what you've posted, who is the registered keeper of the car.
If, as suggested, the car is leased by B, your employer, from A, a leasing company, then there's every chance that any so-called transfer of liability would be botched. But this might not be to your* advantage.
It's a lease and therefore the 'vehicle hired under a hiring agreement' grounds MAY NOT be used, they're for hire agreements of less than 6 months, which this isn't. But let's assume that the authority are idiots and accept reps from the lease company on these grounds. This puts your employer in the frame, not you.
And as your employer isn't a vehicle hire firm then they could not transfer liability to you should they get a NTO.
And while they and you debate the ins and outs, the 28-day limit on payment is likely to lapse which would mean that your employer gets a CC** and you catch the flak.
You will remain a legal stranger in these matters unless, should your employer receive a NTO, they transfer liability to you lawfully. This would be easy i.e. grounds of 'they were not the keeper of the vehicle at the time' supported by your Variation to Contract of Employment(what you posted plus the employer's confirmation of the same).
In order for you to get to tribunal you would need a NOR** in your name.
*- you/your girlfriend as applicable;
**- I've used initials and not elaborated on their meanings because I infer from your first post that you're acquainted with this process.
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I don't think anyone can say what will happen - it's a gamble and you could end up with a bill for £160 plus an admin fee.
I'd say the safe course is to try a challenge and when that's refused as it probably will be, pay the discount.
If there were a solid case then you would go on.
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The contravention looks bang to rights - was right by the timeplate.
An NTO will be send to the lease company, which is two steps removed from you it seems according to the scheme operator.
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thanks Stamfordman. That looks to tally with paragraph 11 in the lease agreement. Do we think there is much of an opportunity that they will not follow due procedure? And if so, does that actually carry much chance at tribunal?
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The contravention looks bang to rights - was right by the timeplate.
An NTO will be send to the lease company, which is two steps removed from you it seems according to the scheme operator.
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I'm posting this on behalf of my girlfriend. The contravention itself appears to be made out, she mistakenly parked on a single yellow on a Friday morning whilst it was restricted. She works at a local SEN school so could cobble something together but that would be based upon mitigation only. The car is leased so my thoughts are the best opportunity may come procedurely in transferring liability. I include a copy of her lease agreement below that mentions parking fines in paragraph 11.
I'd appreciate all views and how best to handle to liability transfer point to maximise the opportunity here. We are yet to submit informal reps. If she is banged to rights, that is fine. It is just she knows I spend a lot of time reading this website so would like to see if that can help her at all ;D
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