You should win this.
On the insertion of the other case, adjudicators are often forgiving of administrative mistakes. If you post their case summary we can judge further.
The Council makes not attempt to rebut my appeal
The council's photo amounts to an attempt to mislead the TPT into thinking there is compliant signage when there is not. Their evidence photo must therefore be disregarded as it does not reflect the current state of the signage.
Hi John,
1) I do not yet have a hearing date
2) I have not yet selected hearing type but need to do so before thursday, I guess I need to select in person.
I'm not familiar (compared with London Tribunals) with the TPT procedure for registration. Can you advise on the steps you took to register the appeal, and the response you've received from TPT? Where does the need to do things before Thursday come from? You do need to ensure it's a personal (video or telephone) hearing.
3) I only have the text for the other persons case in the evidence pack, see below (the name I've deleted is nothing like mine)
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Was there a covering letter with the Evidence Pack? Please post here together with any list of contents.
PLease also post a copy of the appeal you submitted to the Tribunal wnen registering the appeal.
When is your hearing?
Have you elected for a video hearing(as opposed to one on the papers)?
Given that less than 28 days have elapsed since their NOR was served, arranging a hearing and getting the council's evidence must be something of a record!
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You'll need to post their evidence pl. Others might be able to advise on formatting.
Obviously I can add additional evidence to expose this. However, is there a separate complaint route regarding medways attempt to pervert the proceedings.Clearly, you need to refute their evidence at London Tribunals and make sure the adjudicator is aware of an attempt to falsify evidence.
Yes I wasn't sure about the CPZs.
I had a look on Maps and there is a parking bay outside KFC where the time ends at 10pm to match the CPZ, but there is another bay on the opposite side near where you were that ends at 6pm (if still current). While CPZs control only single yellow lines, bay times are often the same.
It needs tweaking. I'll do it later.
Any comments on draft appeal in above post?Looks OK, but don't expect them to roll over and cancel the PCN. You must be prepared to stand your ground and take them to the Traffic Penalty Tribunal.
Draft a short challenge and post here first.
So this is the entry - well worth taking this on.
(https://i.ibb.co/3mPgVXKX/Screenshot-2025-10-29-at-11-01-40.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/W4MCb3pM/med.jpg)
So have you got your own pics of that zone entry - across the whole road.
If there is just one sign not fully facing traffic on the right this isn't adequate but Medway is an obdurate council and you'd probably have to see this through to the tribunal.
OK, so badly maintained signage.
The council are under a duty to maintain signs reflecting traffic orders they have introduced in Regulation 18 (1) (b) in The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18
So in your case the contravention did not occur as the sign is not properly visible to approaching motorists.
Please give us a GSV link to that sign.
OK, so you were in zone E?
Look at the map and recall your entry to zone E and then check signs at the entry.
Yes I was in zone E. At the very bottom of the map to the LHS you can see vicarage road marked. So I drove in with that on my left. If the blue lines are the boundaries they don't really correspond very well to the signage. The first signs are at Stafford St which is the next road up on LHS.
google maps heading North on canterbury st with vicarage road on left
https://maps.app.goo.gl/dL3x8VvJK5k8qts9A (https://maps.app.goo.gl/dL3x8VvJK5k8qts9A)
I don't really understand that map do the zones merge but then if you were to exit vicarage road and turn into canterbury st you have end of zone signs but no start of zone.
OK, so you were in zone E?
Look at the map and recall your entry to zone E and then check signs at the entry.
Yes I was in zone E. At the very bottom of the map to the LHS you can see vicarage road marked. So I drove in with that on my left. If the blue lines are the boundaries they don't really correspond very well to the signage. The first signs are at Stafford St which is the next road up on LHS.
google maps heading North on canterbury st with vicarage road on left
https://maps.app.goo.gl/dL3x8VvJK5k8qts9A (https://maps.app.goo.gl/dL3x8VvJK5k8qts9A)
I don't really understand that map do the zones merge but then if you were to exit vicarage road and turn into canterbury st you have end of zone signs but no start of zone.
If the entry signage is defective on your route into the zone you should win this.
How did you turn into Stafford Street?
I looked on Maps and some parking bays end much earlier which could give a false sense if security but yellow lines are controlled only by their own timeplates or CPZ entry signs.
Sorry didn't make myself clear. I was parked on canterbury st. I didn't turn into stafford street I carried on past it. It's very confusing as someone has turned the cpz signs for the north end of canterbury street through 90 degrees, so you can't see them as you drive past. I came down canterbury st, heading north, so passing stafford st on my left, to park further up on the right (I turned around and doubled back to park hence car is pointing south rather than north).
If you look very closely and zoom in you can just about see one entry sign at an angle on canterbury street opposite the stafford st junction. You can't see the other unless stood actually in stafford street.
Hope that makes sense now.
edit It not so clear on maps as my photos as the sign is even further rotated, but looking at maps I believe the start sign on the right is between the green house and blue garage - on maps it looks like an end of zone sign, but it actually has a start of cpz on it's reverse (it's more visible on my photos as not quite as rotated round).
Thanks
Jim