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Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on September 02, 2026, 11:24:12 pm: Well, it really is the time to stand up and be counted. 8) Clue: 164N :D
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on August 25, 2026, 03:42:40 pm: This is the second case now in which the Tribunal has had the benefit of the council's Consultancy Report and statement of the YBJ Guru. Another to follow in November. 8) JR is hard work. :-X

An application for costs will be made in due course.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: cp8759 on August 23, 2026, 11:59:06 pm: David Gawen v Royal Borough of Kingston Upon Thames (2260139859, 19 August 2026) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Huw0ysWf5ih-y---TrbOtUudo-bJx7A8/view)
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on August 20, 2026, 01:23:36 pm: 2260139859 Won. ;D

Vague locus (now corrected due to my interjection at the January meeting) and size of the junction. This is useful.

The junction was disproportionately large.

Enforcement was determined by financial considerations.

The penalty charge merely describes the location as ‘Kingston Road’. It does not adequately define the location of the alleged contravention. The motorist is entitled to certainty and the PCN needs to identify the junction where it is alleged that a contravention occurred.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on August 14, 2026, 08:19:03 pm: Sam's most recent video:

https://www.tiktok.com/@yellowboxguru/video/7672168802288700695?_r=1&_t=ZG-98soe9UNCWe

Next case on 19th August: 16:00hrs 2260139859. We will both be in attendance - I as representative and he as expert witness. The other side have been invited to attend too by me.

Anyone can phone the Tribunal for a link to observe.

http://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/observation-of-hearings/msg126283/#msg126283

Formulating JR application meanwhile.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on July 31, 2026, 12:17:51 am: And I hasten to add that I received a most beautiful and uplifting e mail of thanks from the appellant.

Rasmalai to follow! Yum yum. Reminds me of my university days. The Akash Restaurant, Rusholme. 1970 to 1974 at least.

And many thanks to the Yellow Box Guru.

The Akashic Record keeps every thought and action.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on July 29, 2026, 11:36:17 am: On a more positive note, a refund has already been made. (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji1013.png)
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: NTIAEP on July 27, 2026, 04:44:44 pm: Quote from: andy_foster on July 25, 2026, 01:33:59 pm
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The point made in the written submission about the TSRGD providing the basis for this restriction-type is not correct as the restriction is provided for in the Highway Code.

What. The. Actual. Feck?!?!?!
Is this another adjudicator that is also "wet behind the ears"? Surely, by applying the test(s) of what constitutes a YJB contravention, he should have reached the same and very straightforward conclusion that was arrived at in the review.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: andy_foster on July 26, 2026, 05:23:29 pm: Many of the procedural nuances in decriminalised enforcement are above my pay grade. That one was closer to "I have neither the time nor the crayons to explain it to you.". Or, to quote Mr Mackey, "Drugs are bad, m'kay?"
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on July 26, 2026, 04:29:16 pm: Quote from: andy_foster on July 25, 2026, 01:33:59 pm
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The point made in the written submission about the TSRGD providing the basis for this restriction-type is not correct as the restriction is provided for in the Highway Code.

What. The. Actual. Feck?!?!?!

Not quite the language I used. :-X
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: astralite on July 26, 2026, 02:08:34 pm: I attended as an Observer. First class, very well conducted review and very welcome outcome.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on July 26, 2026, 12:32:48 pm: Quote from: roythebus on July 25, 2026, 01:40:19 pm
A good result after all that time. Well done.

27 minutes of torture - not for me. :-X
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: roythebus on July 25, 2026, 01:40:19 pm: A good result after all that time. Well done.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: andy_foster on July 25, 2026, 01:33:59 pm: Quote
The point made in the written submission about the TSRGD providing the basis for this restriction-type is not correct as the restriction is provided for in the Highway Code.

What. The. Actual. Feck?!?!?!
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: cp8759 on July 25, 2026, 01:11:49 pm: Hubba Karim v Royal Borough of Kingston Upon Thames (2250674379, 23 July 2026) (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vKLwunE12o3eOLQMKxOQCftWDtXZf1zf/view)
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on July 22, 2026, 09:49:49 pm: Review successful: 2250674379 ;D Decision tomorrow. For the avoidance of doubt, for which RBK are wholly responsible: this concerns the junction with Elm Road. Not the other one with Westbury Road. 8)

The Head of Highways (Matthew Hill) and the author of the Consultancy Report (Keith Firth) did not attend even though I requested them to do so. Not even a response.

Taking next week off to compose the JR application. This is yet another PCN which should not have been issued. I have researched every allowed decisions from 1st January 2024 to the present day and the results are staggering.

Needless to say, the refused decisions would have had a different result with proper representations with help from us. Perhaps.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on July 09, 2026, 11:36:31 pm: Review hearing: 2250674379. 22nd July at 12.30 hrs. Not to be missed. The YBJ Guru is on board too.

You can phone the tribunal for the link or ask me.

A crescendo is taking place.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on June 11, 2026, 03:51:49 pm: https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/mgChooseDocPack.aspx?ID=10406&SID=23762

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1993/1202/regulation/6/made
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on June 08, 2026, 09:51:47 pm: The Guru is doing a BBC Radio interview tomorrow morning.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/kingston-council-yellow-box-junction-b1285263.html
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on June 08, 2026, 09:41:59 pm: Quote from: Hippocrates on May 29, 2026, 11:12:41 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on May 28, 2026, 03:11:03 pm
The item regarding the Kingston Road Yellow Box Junction will be in the agenda of the Place Committee, following a referral from the New and Old Malden Neighbourhood Committee. Details of the meeting are as follows:

Date: Thursday 4th June 2026
Time: 7:30pm
Venue: The Guildhall, High Street, Kingston upon Thames, KT1 1EU

https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=702&MId=10397

The report:

https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/mgChooseDocPack.aspx?ID=10406&SID=23762

This is now with the Tribunal
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on June 07, 2026, 12:34:28 am: PAPL sent.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on June 04, 2026, 05:41:31 pm: Tonight at 7.30 p.m.

https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=702&MId=10397
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on May 29, 2026, 11:12:41 pm: Quote from: Hippocrates on May 28, 2026, 03:11:03 pm
The item regarding the Kingston Road Yellow Box Junction will be in the agenda of the Place Committee, following a referral from the New and Old Malden Neighbourhood Committee. Details of the meeting are as follows:

Date: Thursday 4th June 2026
Time: 7:30pm
Venue: The Guildhall, High Street, Kingston upon Thames, KT1 1EU

https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=702&MId=10397

The report:

https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/mgChooseDocPack.aspx?ID=10406&SID=23762
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on May 28, 2026, 03:11:03 pm: The item regarding the Kingston Road Yellow Box Junction will be in the agenda of the Place Committee, following a referral from the New and Old Malden Neighbourhood Committee. Details of the meeting are as follows:

Date: Thursday 4th June 2026
Time: 7:30pm
Venue: The Guildhall, High Street, Kingston upon Thames, KT1 1EU

https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=702&MId=10397
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on May 02, 2026, 11:39:37 am: Quote from: Hippocrates on April 25, 2026, 07:39:47 pm
Just dealing with a private one. 173 days since the representations were made and today the NOR appeared. Is this comedy? ;D

@cp8759

BTW: with the NOR was contained a letter stating one could appeal within 14 days of the service of the Notice of Rejection. Rather difficult as that was dated 9th December 2025. These people in Dingwall (APCOA) must watch too much Doctor Who.

Outcome: they cancelled the PCN and by Order of the Chief Adjudicator the appeal has been withdrawn thus concluding the matter. ???
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on April 25, 2026, 07:39:47 pm: Just dealing with a private one. 173 days since the representations were made and today the NOR appeared. Is this comedy? ;D
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on March 25, 2026, 03:06:30 pm: https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/new-box-junction-camera-on-westwood-hill-sydenham-has-got-me-any-redress/msg114371/#msg114371

Order for costs made v Newham. 2240295228.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on March 23, 2026, 03:04:09 pm: https://radiojackie.com/55242-2/

At the end the spokesperson mentions that the purpose of the box junction is to enable drivers and cyclists to turn right into Elm Road. Guess what, it is closed at present.

https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/yuvOODh_xl.jpg

https://kingstoncourier.co.uk/watch-kingston-council-accused-of-profiting-from-pcns-as-controversial-yellow-box-junction-branded-cash-cow/
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on February 21, 2026, 11:55:39 pm: Watson, my dear fellow, the game's afoot.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on February 09, 2026, 12:50:51 pm: Adjourned. :-[
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on February 05, 2026, 08:09:00 pm: ITN have picked it up. .................... 8)
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on February 03, 2026, 08:54:01 pm: https://www.mylondon.news/news/transport/south-london-driver-plans-legal-33353798
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 27, 2026, 11:46:07 am: Stop press from the Yellow Box Guru:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/885081161174283

33. The main objective of this enforcement is to improve road safety for all users, and to
reduce the number of collisions and improve traffic flow. There is a clear trend that
the annual volume of PCNs is decreasing, which suggests that the enforcement
measures are successful.
34. Whilst the raising of revenue from enforcement is not the objective, there is a
financial implication to the Council, if there is a change to the current arrangement.
The Council needs to be mindful of the impact that this would have on the revenue
income streams that help to balance the budget.

Matthew Hill.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: mickR on January 26, 2026, 03:40:27 pm: there's nothing like a Hippo on a charge
keep it up Phillip
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 25, 2026, 10:27:13 pm: Interview with another reporter tomorrow.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 23, 2026, 02:11:58 pm: https://youtu.be/DCSttCmkjcg

@mrmustard @cp8759

A most illuminating evidence of how things work in local council democracy.

Dog with a bone!
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 21, 2026, 11:38:17 am: https://kingston.public-i.tv/core/portal/home

https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/ieListMeetings.aspx?CommitteeId=712

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15479843/Lib-Dem-run-council-says-moneybox-junctions-raked-450-000-just-eight-months-legally-compliant-despite-slew-complaints.html
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 20, 2026, 01:00:52 pm: Daily Mail now:

https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-15479843%2FLib-Dem-run-council-says-moneybox-junctions-raked-450-000-just-eight-months-legally-compliant-despite-slew-complaints.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cca59ec80b82c4d79664908de58232009%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C639045105046052087%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=nCe0%2B748YXLzGcMTBWNq0%2FNdYOgchQrJcPdRPNy1YcE%3D&reserved=0
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 16, 2026, 02:05:15 pm: https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/rKbbI8T_xl.png

I am Phillip Morgan, author of this document. I am a representative for over 10 years at the London Tribunals (formerly PATAS) and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal. In 2012 I exposed errors on the council’s bus lane tickets in the London Evening Standard. I am responsible for all 34 London authorities to have the correct certification for their bus lane cameras since 2023 – a requirement which this council denied and resulted in a costs decision against them. I have won 3 cases at this box junction, one with costs. So, I am well-qualified to comment on this junction - wherever that is!

• The above plan is adduced at Tribunal hearings. It does not show the redacted part of the junction with Westbury Road, which modification the council admits. They have no data regarding the provision of the said plan to the Tribunal.

• There are four Kingston Roads in Kingston, and appeals have been won on this point. So, the use of just “Kingston Road” clearly is a problem for the motorist and the council in terms of the publication of its exact figures, the latter which it also admits.

• Any figures produced concerning appeals allowed and refused are open to elastic interpretation as they are essentially one-dimensional. Around 5 million PCNs are issued by the 34 authorities and only 1% of people fight their tickets. Many of those appeals would have been allowed with proper representation. Most people just part with their money without appealing. It is in my judgement wholly unreasonable for a Council to issue penalty charge notices in ignorance of ,or disregard for, the legal provisions. I find that the strict criteria necessary for an order for costs to be made are satisfied . This is not the first case I have encountered where this Council appears to pay no regard to, or has completely misunderstood, the applicable law in box junction cases (Adjudicator Edward Houghton Case No: 225019743A)

• Although less prescriptive than the previous Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002, as there are no kerb requirements, the cctv images produced show that in this case the marking appears to extend well beyond the junction. (Adjudicator Henry Michael Greenslade Case No: 2250256969) This box junction is not marked at the junction of two roads in accordance with the TSRGD 2016, it being marked both in advance of, and beyond, the junction. (Adjudicator Sean Stanton-Dunne Case No: 2250346289)

In simple terms, as Adjudicator Philippa Alderson said in Case No: 2250036623: A box junction must be located at a junction between two or more roads. Its purpose is to ensure that vehicles have unrestricted access at the junction and that traffic flow is not impeded. A box junction should not extend significantly beyond the junction as it would serve no useful purpose and would not achieve its objective, although there is an element of flexibility. If a box junction extends significantly beyond the junction, then it may be that no contravention has taken place if a vehicle stops in that section of junction which extends significantly past the junction.

I oppose the continued enforcement of either box junction without drastic root to branch review.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 15, 2026, 12:37:31 pm: Quote from: Hippocrates on January 12, 2026, 07:48:23 pm
@stamfordman

Meeting Thursday 22nd January at Richard Challoner School, New Malden. 7.30 p.m.

https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/7OJ7eTQ_xl.jpg

~~Petition: www.king.org.uk/new-malden/yellow-box~~

www.kirg.org.uk/new-malden/yellow-box

Apologies.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 15, 2026, 12:35:13 pm: https://radiojackie.com/scrap-the-trap/

Radio Jackie link But now at 7 p.m.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 15, 2026, 12:01:26 pm: @astralite Specsavers for me! Thanks.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: tincombe on January 15, 2026, 12:00:48 pm: https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/documents/g10266/Public%20reports%20pack%20Thursday%2022-Jan-2026%2019.00%20New%20and%20Old%20Malden%20Neighbourhood%20Committee.pdf?T=10

As I understand it, the meeting is a Special Meeting and is at 7pm, not 7.30 which is the regular meeting. According to the Officer's Report, it's been convened pursuant to a request by 3 Members of the Committee, not because of a petition as such, although the members may have been prompted by one.

I think the report is poor (unless it's been written with an intended objective, in which case it's as comprehensive as needed). In as much as compliance is concerned, it states clearly that both YBJs comply with TSRGD. I cannot find any reference to adjudicators' specific determinations regarding the YBJs, neither is this addressed under Legal Implications.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: astralite on January 14, 2026, 03:10:11 pm: NB its not 'king.org' It is 'kirg.org'

To sign the petition go to:

https://kirg.org.uk/new-malden/yellow-box
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 12, 2026, 07:48:23 pm: @stamfordman

Meeting Thursday 22nd January at Richard Challoner School, New Malden. 7.30 p.m.

https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/7OJ7eTQ_xl.jpg

Petition: www.king.org.uk/new-malden/yellow-box
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on December 16, 2025, 05:54:23 pm: https://kingstoncourier.co.uk/britains-most-lucrative-yellow-box-junction-breaks-regulations-says-expert/
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on December 05, 2025, 11:20:16 am: In did an interview to be published in the Kingston Courier imminently.
Title: That Kingston box junction
Post by: stamfordman on October 26, 2025, 06:53:42 pm: Britain’s most lucrative yellow box junction: £450k in eight months

https://archive.is/pAzbj