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Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on June 04, 2026, 05:41:31 pm: Tonight at 7.30 p.m.

https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=702&MId=10397
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on May 29, 2026, 11:12:41 pm: Quote from: Hippocrates on May 28, 2026, 03:11:03 pm
The item regarding the Kingston Road Yellow Box Junction will be in the agenda of the Place Committee, following a referral from the New and Old Malden Neighbourhood Committee. Details of the meeting are as follows:

Date: Thursday 4th June 2026
Time: 7:30pm
Venue: The Guildhall, High Street, Kingston upon Thames, KT1 1EU

https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=702&MId=10397

The report:

https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/mgChooseDocPack.aspx?ID=10406&SID=23762
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on May 28, 2026, 03:11:03 pm: The item regarding the Kingston Road Yellow Box Junction will be in the agenda of the Place Committee, following a referral from the New and Old Malden Neighbourhood Committee. Details of the meeting are as follows:

Date: Thursday 4th June 2026
Time: 7:30pm
Venue: The Guildhall, High Street, Kingston upon Thames, KT1 1EU

https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=702&MId=10397
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on May 02, 2026, 11:39:37 am: Quote from: Hippocrates on April 25, 2026, 07:39:47 pm
Just dealing with a private one. 173 days since the representations were made and today the NOR appeared. Is this comedy? ;D

@cp8759

BTW: with the NOR was contained a letter stating one could appeal within 14 days of the service of the Notice of Rejection. Rather difficult as that was dated 9th December 2025. These people in Dingwall (APCOA) must watch too much Doctor Who.

Outcome: they cancelled the PCN and by Order of the Chief Adjudicator the appeal has been withdrawn thus concluding the matter. ???
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on April 25, 2026, 07:39:47 pm: Just dealing with a private one. 173 days since the representations were made and today the NOR appeared. Is this comedy? ;D
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on March 25, 2026, 03:06:30 pm: https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/new-box-junction-camera-on-westwood-hill-sydenham-has-got-me-any-redress/msg114371/#msg114371

Order for costs made v Newham. 2240295228.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on March 23, 2026, 03:04:09 pm: https://radiojackie.com/55242-2/

At the end the spokesperson mentions that the purpose of the box junction is to enable drivers and cyclists to turn right into Elm Road. Guess what, it is closed at present.

https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/yuvOODh_xl.jpg

https://kingstoncourier.co.uk/watch-kingston-council-accused-of-profiting-from-pcns-as-controversial-yellow-box-junction-branded-cash-cow/
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on February 21, 2026, 11:55:39 pm: Watson, my dear fellow, the game's afoot.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on February 09, 2026, 12:50:51 pm: Adjourned. :-[
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on February 05, 2026, 08:09:00 pm: ITN have picked it up. .................... 8)
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on February 03, 2026, 08:54:01 pm: https://www.mylondon.news/news/transport/south-london-driver-plans-legal-33353798
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 27, 2026, 11:46:07 am: Stop press from the Yellow Box Guru:

https://www.facebook.com/reel/885081161174283

33. The main objective of this enforcement is to improve road safety for all users, and to
reduce the number of collisions and improve traffic flow. There is a clear trend that
the annual volume of PCNs is decreasing, which suggests that the enforcement
measures are successful.
34. Whilst the raising of revenue from enforcement is not the objective, there is a
financial implication to the Council, if there is a change to the current arrangement.
The Council needs to be mindful of the impact that this would have on the revenue
income streams that help to balance the budget.

Matthew Hill.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: mickR on January 26, 2026, 03:40:27 pm: there's nothing like a Hippo on a charge
keep it up Phillip
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 25, 2026, 10:27:13 pm: Interview with another reporter tomorrow.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 23, 2026, 02:11:58 pm: https://youtu.be/DCSttCmkjcg

@mrmustard @cp8759

A most illuminating evidence of how things work in local council democracy.

Dog with a bone!
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 21, 2026, 11:38:17 am: https://kingston.public-i.tv/core/portal/home

https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/ieListMeetings.aspx?CommitteeId=712

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15479843/Lib-Dem-run-council-says-moneybox-junctions-raked-450-000-just-eight-months-legally-compliant-despite-slew-complaints.html
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 20, 2026, 01:00:52 pm: Daily Mail now:

https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-15479843%2FLib-Dem-run-council-says-moneybox-junctions-raked-450-000-just-eight-months-legally-compliant-despite-slew-complaints.html&data=05%7C02%7C%7Cca59ec80b82c4d79664908de58232009%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C639045105046052087%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=nCe0%2B748YXLzGcMTBWNq0%2FNdYOgchQrJcPdRPNy1YcE%3D&reserved=0
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 16, 2026, 02:05:15 pm: https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/rKbbI8T_xl.png

I am Phillip Morgan, author of this document. I am a representative for over 10 years at the London Tribunals (formerly PATAS) and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal. In 2012 I exposed errors on the council’s bus lane tickets in the London Evening Standard. I am responsible for all 34 London authorities to have the correct certification for their bus lane cameras since 2023 – a requirement which this council denied and resulted in a costs decision against them. I have won 3 cases at this box junction, one with costs. So, I am well-qualified to comment on this junction - wherever that is!

• The above plan is adduced at Tribunal hearings. It does not show the redacted part of the junction with Westbury Road, which modification the council admits. They have no data regarding the provision of the said plan to the Tribunal.

• There are four Kingston Roads in Kingston, and appeals have been won on this point. So, the use of just “Kingston Road” clearly is a problem for the motorist and the council in terms of the publication of its exact figures, the latter which it also admits.

• Any figures produced concerning appeals allowed and refused are open to elastic interpretation as they are essentially one-dimensional. Around 5 million PCNs are issued by the 34 authorities and only 1% of people fight their tickets. Many of those appeals would have been allowed with proper representation. Most people just part with their money without appealing. It is in my judgement wholly unreasonable for a Council to issue penalty charge notices in ignorance of ,or disregard for, the legal provisions. I find that the strict criteria necessary for an order for costs to be made are satisfied . This is not the first case I have encountered where this Council appears to pay no regard to, or has completely misunderstood, the applicable law in box junction cases (Adjudicator Edward Houghton Case No: 225019743A)

• Although less prescriptive than the previous Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002, as there are no kerb requirements, the cctv images produced show that in this case the marking appears to extend well beyond the junction. (Adjudicator Henry Michael Greenslade Case No: 2250256969) This box junction is not marked at the junction of two roads in accordance with the TSRGD 2016, it being marked both in advance of, and beyond, the junction. (Adjudicator Sean Stanton-Dunne Case No: 2250346289)

In simple terms, as Adjudicator Philippa Alderson said in Case No: 2250036623: A box junction must be located at a junction between two or more roads. Its purpose is to ensure that vehicles have unrestricted access at the junction and that traffic flow is not impeded. A box junction should not extend significantly beyond the junction as it would serve no useful purpose and would not achieve its objective, although there is an element of flexibility. If a box junction extends significantly beyond the junction, then it may be that no contravention has taken place if a vehicle stops in that section of junction which extends significantly past the junction.

I oppose the continued enforcement of either box junction without drastic root to branch review.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 15, 2026, 12:37:31 pm: Quote from: Hippocrates on January 12, 2026, 07:48:23 pm
@stamfordman

Meeting Thursday 22nd January at Richard Challoner School, New Malden. 7.30 p.m.

https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/7OJ7eTQ_xl.jpg

~~Petition: www.king.org.uk/new-malden/yellow-box~~

www.kirg.org.uk/new-malden/yellow-box

Apologies.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 15, 2026, 12:35:13 pm: https://radiojackie.com/scrap-the-trap/

Radio Jackie link But now at 7 p.m.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 15, 2026, 12:01:26 pm: @astralite Specsavers for me! Thanks.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: tincombe on January 15, 2026, 12:00:48 pm: https://moderngov.kingston.gov.uk/documents/g10266/Public%20reports%20pack%20Thursday%2022-Jan-2026%2019.00%20New%20and%20Old%20Malden%20Neighbourhood%20Committee.pdf?T=10

As I understand it, the meeting is a Special Meeting and is at 7pm, not 7.30 which is the regular meeting. According to the Officer's Report, it's been convened pursuant to a request by 3 Members of the Committee, not because of a petition as such, although the members may have been prompted by one.

I think the report is poor (unless it's been written with an intended objective, in which case it's as comprehensive as needed). In as much as compliance is concerned, it states clearly that both YBJs comply with TSRGD. I cannot find any reference to adjudicators' specific determinations regarding the YBJs, neither is this addressed under Legal Implications.
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: astralite on January 14, 2026, 03:10:11 pm: NB its not 'king.org' It is 'kirg.org'

To sign the petition go to:

https://kirg.org.uk/new-malden/yellow-box
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on January 12, 2026, 07:48:23 pm: @stamfordman

Meeting Thursday 22nd January at Richard Challoner School, New Malden. 7.30 p.m.

https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/7OJ7eTQ_xl.jpg

Petition: www.king.org.uk/new-malden/yellow-box
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on December 16, 2025, 05:54:23 pm: https://kingstoncourier.co.uk/britains-most-lucrative-yellow-box-junction-breaks-regulations-says-expert/
Title: Re: That Kingston box junction
Post by: Hippocrates on December 05, 2025, 11:20:16 am: In did an interview to be published in the Kingston Courier imminently.
Title: That Kingston box junction
Post by: stamfordman on October 26, 2025, 06:53:42 pm: Britain’s most lucrative yellow box junction: £450k in eight months

https://archive.is/pAzbj