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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: sperugi on October 02, 2025, 02:12:29 pm
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So here. It looks like a petty PCN in this close but the yellow line does control the area up to the garages as it would with a footway or verge.
But why is a yellow line there anyway - it's not drawn on a kerbside or by the garages and seems arbitrary and only designed to stop you bringing the car out of the garage for a wash.
The arguments about private land and also legitimate expectation seem to be the way to go.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/GkctSk8LmvbrsRKL9
(https://i.ibb.co/5g1GrJvK/Screenshot-2025-10-02-at-15-40-24.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/YFwtdDSn/Parking-01.jpg)
Thanks for the comments. Legitimate expectation makes sense - especially as I've managed to park here with no issues in the past. Kingston did change over its parking enforcement company recently, so I am guessing that they have a slightly different view to the previous company.
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- Car inside yellow line. Irrespective of the point above, the car is actually parked inside / behind the yellow line that has been used for the contravention. I thought you need to be parked ON the yellow line to be in contravention, but in this case, the wheels of the car are BEHIND the yellow line (on private land) and therefore not actually in contravention of the restrictions in question in my opinion.
- The position of the wheels is irrelevant. The restrictions (if valid, which seems unlikely) apply to any part of the vehicle. You can't park, for example, with the wheels inside a bay while the overhang takes up a chunk of the adjacent bay.
Ok - I understand this for adjacent parking bays, as the overhang would prevent someone else from using the bay, but I'd always assumed that if you were parking in an end bay and the wheels were not on the yellow line, this would be acceptable. Again, this is applying a logic that maybe doesn't apply in these scenarios. Thanks for your comments on the validity of the restrictions in the first place - this seems to be the best option at present.[/list]
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- Car inside yellow line. Irrespective of the point above, the car is actually parked inside / behind the yellow line that has been used for the contravention. I thought you need to be parked ON the yellow line to be in contravention, but in this case, the wheels of the car are BEHIND the yellow line (on private land) and therefore not actually in contravention of the restrictions in question in my opinion.
The position of the wheels is irrelevant. The restrictions (if valid, which seems unlikely) apply to any part of the vehicle. You can't park, for example, with the wheels inside a bay while the overhang takes up a chunk of the adjacent bay.
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So here. It looks like a petty PCN in this close but the yellow line does control the area up to the garages as it would with a footway or verge.
But why is a yellow line there anyway - it's not drawn on a kerbside or by the garages and seems arbitrary and only designed to stop you bringing the car out of the garage for a wash.
The arguments about private land and also legitimate expectation seem to be the way to go.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/GkctSk8LmvbrsRKL9
(https://i.ibb.co/5g1GrJvK/Screenshot-2025-10-02-at-15-40-24.png)
(https://i.ibb.co/YFwtdDSn/Parking-01.jpg)
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Your links need setting to 'Public' so we can open them.
Thanks for pointing that out. All files should now be visible with the links provided.
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Upload the PCN as an image with no redactions on https://imgbb.com and paste the BBcode link.
I've updated the original post with a couple of additional files including the PCN itself.
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Your links need setting to 'Public' so we can open them.
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Upload the PCN as an image with no redactions on https://imgbb.com and paste the BBcode link.
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This PCN (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zBygZ0hi_HuyhvHWlNRvIbqnuH0ho7ny/view?usp=drive_link) was issued on my car which on a road which is in a Home Zone CPZ, so there is no raised delineation (kerb) between the highway and what is deemed to be the predominant pedestrian areas.The specific area where my car was parked is predominantly on my own land (see Land Registry picture - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ezhgY6w643uaTLkz7wBpcNJoIaTMhScM/view?usp=drive_link) and the yellow line was painted somewhat arbitrarily across the front of my land. There is also some subsequent correspondence where my initial online appeal has been rejected - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HnmdlVGqmjJ_33QlnATlkTfC7rVDCtjW/view?usp=drive_link
I'd like to get advice on the points below, which is where I would like to understand the parking regulations further.
- The car was parked on Private land in front of my garage. As can be seen in the document showing the Land Registry entry for my property, the land in front of the garage attached to my property belongs to me and is where the car was parked. As this is not the public highway, the parking enforcement team have no jurisdiction in this space. Because of the existence of a Home Zone in our CPZ, there is no clear distinction between footpaths and highway and this is further complicated on those boundaries between private and public land. I have owned this property for 22 years and parked many times in this same spot, and I have parked this specific car in this way since ownership (3 - 4 years ago), so am somewhat baffled as to why the current parking enforcement company now sees it as a contravention and no longer acceptable.
- Car inside yellow line. Irrespective of the point above, the car is actually parked inside / behind the yellow line that has been used for the contravention. I thought you need to be parked ON the yellow line to be in contravention, but in this case, the wheels of the car are BEHIND the yellow line (on private land) and therefore not actually in contravention of the restrictions in question in my opinion.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g6WoCrYvWbenIWrMMX1Pct7hnwKweueD/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oAHuLSquZ7fQFbS7DX93bVm8V4qcGosI/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eu03UbLQnyvyYESlGAZY7_p57Ztf9NTd/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SLNiz7eEPpwSZDWUIWhhWugJBy8gKomt/view?usp=drive_link
- Yellow line not visible. A further point worth iterating - the yellow line is of such poor quality in this part of the road as to be unenforceable from my understanding.
Further points I would like to make are that my understanding of parking restrictions was that they exist to ensure traffic flow, safety of all road users and to prevent inconsiderate road users from causing other problems. Parking in front of my own garage on my property does not really constitute a problem in any of these cases and in some ways keeps the minimal parking bays on the street for other road users that do not have access to my private space.
Thanks!