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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: iPad-Guy on October 01, 2025, 12:06:26 am

Title: Re: Camden, TFL, “Being in a bus lane in Camden Road, SW-8ND from Camden Street”
Post by: Incandescent on October 02, 2025, 12:47:48 pm

With the reinstated sign, plus the advance sign, any appeal argument is a lot weaker.

However our Hippocrates has a winning appeal process, unrelated to the contravention,  in that at adjudication at London Tribunals, the appellant can demand the council, or TfL turn up to the adjudication, and many don't so you win by default, but I don't know whether this applies to TfL. Of course the full PCN penalty will be in play.

Title: Re: Camden, TFL, “Being in a bus lane in Camden Road, SW-8ND from Camden Street”
Post by: iPad-Guy on October 02, 2025, 10:32:58 am

My friend went there yesterday to check and annoyingly there is a sign - https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/ks2ssvocvgvsppab3uutn/78108637007__1A273EF7-1858-4E7E-9287-EBD71DDC06B0.HEIC?rlkey=a2yr1mju5gylbxrr1ri9r6ori&st=9zis5txo&dl=0

Have I got any other plays?

Title: Re: Camden, TFL, “Being in a bus lane in Camden Road, SW-8ND from Camden Street”
Post by: Incandescent on October 01, 2025, 10:18:06 am

Quote from: iPad-Guy on October 01, 2025, 01:20:47 am

Hey, thanks very much for that. The bus lane warning sign is quite a way back, just before entrance to Lyme street https://maps.app.goo.gl/MVX5xhTmPHzJo8PJ7

I had been driving under the bridge, along Camden Road https://maps.app.goo.gl/5Z1U3YA8ngYHijdF8

I’ve asked my friend who lives nearby to go and check tomorrow if there is currently a sign as you enter bus lane.

Warning sign, plus lane indication alongside it is nearly 52 metres back from the bus lane, so there really should be a bus lane sign at the start of the bus lane. Is there such a sign at present, as GSV shows it missing last year ?

Title: Re: Camden, TFL, “Being in a bus lane in Camden Road, SW-8ND from Camden Street”
Post by: iPad-Guy on October 01, 2025, 01:20:47 am

Hey, thanks very much for that. The bus lane warning sign is quite a way back, just before entrance to Lyme street https://maps.app.goo.gl/MVX5xhTmPHzJo8PJ7

I had been driving under the bridge, along Camden Road https://maps.app.goo.gl/5Z1U3YA8ngYHijdF8

I’ve asked my friend who lives nearby to go and check tomorrow if there is currently a sign as you enter bus lane.

Title: Re: Camden, TFL, “Being in a bus lane in Camden Road, SW-8ND from Camden Street”
Post by: Incandescent on October 01, 2025, 01:03:24 am

But their photos dont show you passing a bus lane sign, and here, GSV shows something strange. The GSV view of the approach directly to the bus lane is October 2024, and shows no bus lane sign: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/JApJWctk2DQUnJeb8
but the July view shows it: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/KySk2Y9zE94C7PXP9
However, the October view has an advance sign before the traffic lights on the main road: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/gEShJnXcMQw35vwC9

What was your approach to the bus lane ?

Title: Camden, TFL, “Being in a bus lane in Camden Road, SW-8ND from Camden Street”
Post by: iPad-Guy on October 01, 2025, 12:06:26 am

Hi folks, you are all doing amazing work, hopefully you can help me.

I got this PCN today - https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/n6weqgte89jamzeikb5n5/Photo-01-10-2025-00-03-21.jpg?rlkey=kby00y5jp502xyizzgn2g08nb&st=chqlc6g0&dl=0

i can see from the photos I was in the bus lane but I’m hoping I have a case, I’m hoping you guys can tell me what it is!

This is the location https://maps.app.goo.gl/oexAEGrp74hjkM6K7

This is the location of the sign for bus lane https://maps.app.goo.gl/KD1RCbsKPFMgzuvs8

This is the photos they have on TFL website https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/6hfeu6rip19va7shp8yny/IMG_1097.jpg?rlkey=4sg981j9ihg40kmfo2zx58b63&st=tlh4qqow&dl=0

and

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/u7qqednqebscgs4z61gst/IMG_1098.jpg?rlkey=05bdbt1e1vd40nzkg45xsvbdn&st=ymd9bqqi&dl=0

Let me know if you need more info.

Thanks in advance.