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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: sooty12113 on September 25, 2025, 08:26:57 am

Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: sooty12113 on November 10, 2025, 12:41:56 pm
Great, thanks for the super speedy response
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: b789 on November 10, 2025, 12:36:31 pm
You were warned that the IAS is a kangaroo court. Their decision is not binding on you and you DO NOT pay it.

These points have not been addressed by the 'barista' that penned that response:

1. Keeper liability not addressed. Your core PoFA points (no period of parking, no relevant land, defective 9(2)(e)(i)/(f), posting) weren’t engaged with. If PoFA fails, the keeper cannot be liable—full stop—so signage/behaviour is irrelevant to the keeper.
2. Prohibitive signage = no contract. “Controlled land – no parking” is prohibitive. That is not an offer capable of acceptance; it sounds in trespass (if anything) and only the landholder could sue for nominal loss. Contractual “charges” don’t flow from a prohibition.
3. Unsupported factual findings. The adjudicator states the driver “parked,” “left the vehicle,” returned at 13:53, then drove off. Unless the operator filed continuous video or patrol notes, that’s speculation from entry/exit timestamps, not proof of a parking period exceeding any consideration/grace time.
4. Landowner authority ignored. No contemporaneous, signed agreement meeting PPSCoP §14.1(a)–(j) appears to have been produced. That goes to standing. It was side-stepped.
5. Period of parking still missing. A padded single timestamp (“immediately preceding… 13:54”) is not a PoFA 9(2)(a) “period of parking”. Your Brennan point stands.
6. Site identification gap. If the NtK only said “Nova” without a full address/postcode, 9(2)(a) “relevant land” identification fails.

You can now safely ignore all debt recovery letters that are going to come your way. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and intimidate the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Come back if/when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC).
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: sooty12113 on November 10, 2025, 12:25:45 pm
I had the following response from the Adjudicator, further advice appreciated.


"The Appellant should understand that the Adjudicator is not in a position to give legal advice to either of the parties but they are entitled to seek their own independent legal advice. The Adjudicator's role is to consider whether or not the parking charge has a basis in law and was properly issued in the circumstances of each individual case. In all Appeals the Adjudicator is bound by the relevant law applicable at the time and is only able to consider legal challenges and not factual mistakes nor extenuating or mitigating circumstances. Throughout this appeal the Operator has had the opportunity consider all points raised and could have conceded the appeal at any stage. The Adjudicator who deals with this Appeal is legally qualified and each case is dealt with according to their understanding of the law as it applies and the legal principles involved. A decision by an Adjudicator is not legally binding on an Appellant who is entitled to seek their own legal advice if they so wish.
The signage in the roadway where the Appellant parked is prominent, clear and unequivocal; controlled land - no parking.
The Appellant's vehicle is recorded as entering the site at 11.16, the vehicle turning around and parking at 11.17, the driver leaving the vehicle, later returning at 13.53 and driving off.
Having considered all the issues raised and the evidence submitted, I am satisfied that the Appellant should have seen the prominent signage, should have realised that parking here was not allowed, and the operator has established that the Parking Charge was properly issued in accordance with the law.
This appeal therefore has to be dismissed. "
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: sooty12113 on October 02, 2025, 10:10:58 am
thanks I'll give that a try
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: DWMB2 on October 02, 2025, 09:21:19 am
If you're on a desktop/laptop, if I remember rightly there's a browser extension called "Don't F*** With Paste" that circumvents such restrictions on copy/pasting.
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: sooty12113 on October 02, 2025, 05:21:36 am
Thanks, I'm attempting to paste the points you raise on my final response to the Operator but the IAS portal on this section doesn't appear to allow the pasting of text. Is this correct ?

To get around this to save me the time of re-typing everything, I was going to attach my response as a word document, informing the IAS in the response box why I have done this, would this be in order ?   
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: b789 on October 01, 2025, 07:42:39 pm
THere's not much you can do about it now. You have rebutted the operators prima facie case and it is down to the kangaroo court to reject it, irrespective of any evidence to the contrary.

The IAS decision is not binding on you and you do not have to pay anything. They will eventually try and litigate the matter and as long as you follow the advice given here, you won't be paying a penny to this scamming firm.
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: sooty12113 on October 01, 2025, 03:19:33 pm
I've also just noticed the following wording by the operator on the adjudicator portal

The operator made their Prima Facie Case on 30/09/2025 13:09:36.

The operator reported that...
ANPR/CCTV was used.
The Notice to Keeper was sent on 18/09/2025.
A response was received from the Notice to Keeper.
The ticket was issued on 14/09/2025.
The Notice to Keeper (ANPR) was sent in accordance with PoFA.
The charge is based in Contract.

The operator made the following comments...
There are clear signs on this route that this area is a no parking area which can be seen in the photographic evidence circled in red. This is at the landowners request as the area is an access route.

As you can see the vehicle remained parked on this route. It is the drivers sole responsibility to ensure they are adhering to these terms and conditions.

This parking charge has been issued in line with PoFa 2012 and so UKPS will continue to hold the registered keeper liable.

As a result this parking charge was issued correctly.
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: sooty12113 on October 01, 2025, 02:53:50 pm
There doesn't appear to be a sign as you turn around the corner on Holdford Road, if there is one further down the road before the right turn it's not showing on the site plan.

Yes the timestamps match   
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: b789 on October 01, 2025, 02:25:35 pm
Where is the signage that informs the driver they are entering private land as they turn right on Holdford Road?

This wouldn't stand a chance if it were ever to go to a county court hearing. As this is just the kangaroo court that is the IAS, don't worry about it.

Does the timestamp on the first photo on the NtK match the timestamp at the bottom of it?
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: sooty12113 on October 01, 2025, 08:45:45 am
Thanks for the very helpful reply, my vehicle was parked just around the corner of the site plan (bottom left) just past the building with the flat roof.

I can see from the photographs on the day that two signs are on the right hand side from the camera angle across the street where the vehicle was parked, these weren't noticed on the day. It can't be seen from the photographs which sign from those provided it was.

The driver thought he was parked on a public road as other vehicles were parked in the vicinity, there were no road markings and he didn't spot the signs hence why he parked.   

There is proof of parking in respect of photographs of the driver parking at 11:17 and returning at 13:53 so I don't think I should include point 7, but would appreciate your opinion before I reply.     



Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: b789 on September 30, 2025, 05:07:59 pm
Can you point out on that plan where those two images of your vehicle are. I cannot see anything that resembles the location and you need to then check their plan with the location of actual signs.

This is a response you can give to their prima facie evidence:

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Rebuttal to operator’s prima facie case

1. The operator’s evidence does not address or rebut core points raised in my appeal and fails to establish keeper liability or a contravention.

2. PoFA Schedule 4 para 9(2)(a): no period of parking. The NtK states only “the period of time immediately preceding 14/09/2025 at 13:54”, which is a single timestamp padded with vague wording, not a period of parking. This point was raised and remains unanswered. Persuasive appellate case law in Brennan v PPS (2023) confirmed that without a definitive period of parking, the NtK is not PoFA 2012 compliant and the Keeper cannot be liable.

2. PoFA Schedule 4 para 9(2)(a): relevant land not identified. The location is given only as “Nova”, with no address or postcode. This is inherently ambiguous and does not identify relevant land. The operator has not remedied or rebutted this.

3. PoFA Schedule 4 paras 9(2)(e)(i) and 9(2)(f): defective invitation and warning. The NtK does not contain the mandatory invitation to the keeper to pay or name the driver, nor the prescribed warning that the keeper will be liable after 28 days if the charge remains unpaid and the driver is not named. The generic wording relied upon does not mirror the statute. This remains unrebutted.

4. Timing and posting proof: although the NtK shows an issue date, no proof of date of posting has been provided as required by the PPSCoP 8.1.2(d) Note 2. The appeal requested this; the operator has not provided it. Presumption of delivery within the relevant period is rebutted.

5. Landowner authority: no contemporaneous, signed, contract meeting PPSCoP section 14.1(a)–(j) has been produced. There is no proof of authority to manage the site, issue PCNs, or pursue charges in their own name, nor any boundary plan or applicable byelaws. This was expressly requested and not supplied.

6. Signage: the operator has filed a site plan and facsimile artwork but no dated, in-situ photographs demonstrating actual placement, prominence, legibility, core term prominence (including the parking charge), or that the signs were in place on the material date. Nothing ties the car images to any particular sign or to the positions on the plan. The signage objections therefore stand.

7. Contravention and duration: the evidence shows at most a moment in time. There is no proof of a parking period or that any minimum consideration period was exceeded. Without evidence of a period of parking greater than the minimum consideration period, no contract could be formed. This was raised and remains unanswered.

8. Site identification gap: the photographs do not contain unique, verifiable features that match the plan, and no camera locations or “no parking area” markings are evidenced. It is impossible to verify that the vehicle was at the site described.

Conclusion: The NtK is not PoFA-compliant on multiple independent grounds and keeper liability cannot arise. The driver remains unidentified and there can be no presumption or inference that the Keeper must be the driver as confirmed in the persuasive appellate case of VCS v Edward (2023). The operator has failed to evidence landowner authority, adequate signage, site identification, posting, or an actual parking period. Their prima facie case fails and the appeal should be allowed.
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: sooty12113 on September 30, 2025, 03:32:37 pm
Thanks firstly I've provided a new link for the example parking evidence and the notice I received given Imgur is no longer available from today.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_9BQJCt2UL3Umk1kwa513zLrs1XT97mD/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1aAey9EPcRZp-Q3GD8mq3yo-HJ8hPzRJp/view?usp=sharing

and on the link below the new material which is the site map showing the sign locations on the site and the apparent signs. None of these were noticed on the day by the driver.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/187We7a_y2zq6XIYmSHW_jhjntwUH-E1a/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kEwewIQlio4D5B-QTmcaHpy7jU1H3DCb/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K9z1Z0mXb0XSHc6T5msPybJoqqrJ38y8/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1kAn735CtuBaAxsU4EOiYl3mVke2EjLLD/view?usp=sharing


The additional information I was advised to request, land owner permissions etc has not been provided


Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: jfollows on September 30, 2025, 02:44:40 pm
Something like Google Drive to which you can upload documents and provide us a link.
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: sooty12113 on September 30, 2025, 02:32:08 pm
I've now had a response from UKPS who have uploaded documents to the adjudicators portal, how should I proceed on here ?

They've provided a site map and PDF's of what they say are the signs but not the other requested material 
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: sooty12113 on September 25, 2025, 03:34:46 pm
thanks I'll do that now
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: b789 on September 25, 2025, 03:28:28 pm
Just submit the following IAS appeal, for what it's worth:

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I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability for this parking charge and appeal in full.

The parking operator bears the burden of proof. It must establish that a contravention occurred, that a valid contract was formed between the operator and the driver, and that it has lawful authority to operate and issue Parking Charge Notices (PCNs) in its own name. I therefore require the operator to provide the following:

1. Strict proof of clear, prominent, and adequate signage that was in place on the date in question, at the exact location of the alleged contravention. This must include a detailed site plan showing the placement of each sign and legible images of the signs in situ. The operator must demonstrate that signage was visible, legible, and compliant with the IPC Code of Practice that was valid at the time of the alleged contravention, including requirements relating to font size, positioning, and the communication of key terms.

2. Strict proof of a valid, contemporaneous contract or lease flowing from the landowner that authorises the operator to manage parking, issue PCNs, and pursue legal action in its own name. I refer the operator and the IAS assessor to Section 14 of the PPSCoP (Relationship with Landowner), which clearly sets out mandatory minimum requirements that must be evidenced before any parking charge may be issued on controlled land.

In particular, Section 14.1(a)–(j) requires the operator to have in place written confirmation from the landowner which includes:

• the identity of the landowner,
• a boundary map of the land to be managed,
• applicable byelaws,
• the duration and scope of authority granted,
• detailed parking terms and conditions including any specific permissions or exemptions,
• the means of issuing PCNs,
• responsibility for obtaining planning and advertising consents,
• and the operator’s obligations and appeal procedure under the Code.

These requirements are not optional. They are a condition precedent to issuing a PCN and bringing any associated action. Accordingly, I put the operator to strict proof of compliance with the entirety of Section 14 of the PPSCoP. Any document that contains redactions must not obscure the above conditions. The document must also be dated and signed by identifiable persons, with evidence of their authority to act on behalf of the parties to the agreement. The operator must provide an agreement showing clear authorisation from the landowner for this specific site.

3. Strict proof that the enforcement mechanism (e.g. ANPR or manual patrol) is reliable, synchronised, maintained, and calibrated regularly. The operator must prove the vehicle was present for the full duration alleged and not simply momentarily on site, potentially within a permitted consideration or grace period as defined by the PPSCoP.

4. Strict proof that the Notice to Keeper complies with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), if the operator is attempting to rely on keeper liability. Any failure to comply with the mandatory wording or timelines in Schedule 4 of PoFA renders keeper liability unenforceable. For example, the operators NtK fails to provide a period of parking as required under PoFA 9(2)(a). A single observation timestamp on the NtK is not a period, irrespective of any other photographic evidence that they may hold. This was clarified in the persuasive appellate judgment in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023).

5. The NtK does not evidence that the vehicle was parked for longer than the minimum consideration period mandated in the PPSCoP §5.1, in which case no contract could have been formed. The operator is put to strict proof that any contract was formed with the driver.

6. Strict proof that the NtK was posted in time for it to have been given within the relevant period. The PPSCoP section 8.1.2(d) Note 2 requires that the operator must retain a record of the date of posting of a notice, not simply of that notice having been generated (e.g. the date that any third-party Mail Consolidator actually put it in the postal system.)

7. The IAS claims that its assessors are “qualified solicitors or barristers.” Yet there is no way to verify this. Decisions are unsigned, anonymised, and unpublished. There is no transparency, no register of assessors, and no way for a motorist to assess the legal credibility of the individual supposedly adjudicating their appeal. If the person reading this really is legally qualified, they will know that without strict proof of landowner authority (VCS v HMRC [2013] EWCA Civ 186), no claim can succeed. They will also know that clear and prominent signage is a prerequisite for contract formation (ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67), and that keeper liability under PoFA is only available where strict statutory conditions are met.

If the assessor chooses to overlook these legal requirements and accept vague assertions or redacted documents from the operator, that will speak for itself—and lend further weight to the growing concern that this appeals service is neither independent nor genuinely legally qualified.

In short, I dispute this charge in its entirety and require full evidence of compliance with the law, industry codes of practice, and basic contractual principles.
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: sooty12113 on September 25, 2025, 01:26:30 pm
I sent the response as suggested and have received an immediate response that I re-produce below

I'd appreciate advice on next steps


Thank you for your appeal.

Having noted your comments, and checking the evidence gathered when issuing the Parking Charge, we are satisfied that the Parking Charge has been issued correctly and your appeal is rejected.

There are clear signs on this route that this area is a no parking area which can be seen in the photographic evidence. This is at the landowners request as the area is an access route. As you can see the vehicle remained parked on this route. It is the drivers sole responsibility to ensure they are adhering to these terms and conditions. This parking charge has been issued in line with PoFa 2012 and so UKPS will continue to hold the registered keeper liable. As a result this parking charge must now be paid.

All of our signage is fully compliant with the guidelines set out within The Single Code of Practice and we reject the notion that it is in any way unclear or ambiguous. The signage is printed on reflective material and is clearly illuminated in vehicle headlights within hours of darkness.

Please be advised that all photographic evidence can be viewed by typing: pay.theukps.com in to your top address browser.

Payment is now due to be made.

Current balance owed: £60

* This outstanding balance will increase to £100 in 14 days from the date of this letter.

If you believe this decision is incorrect, you are entitled to appeal to the Independent Appeals Service (IAS). In order to appeal, you will need your Parking Charge number and your vehicle registration. Appeals must be submitted to the IAS within 28 days of the date of this letter/email. Please visit www.theias.org for full details.  Please be advised, should your appeal be dismissed by the IAS, you will no longer have the ability to pay the reduced amount of £60.

For free advice regarding your parking charge, including advice on appealing, please visit: www.247advice.co.uk

If you choose to do nothing, after 56 days from the incident date, the parking charge will be passed to our debt recovery agent, at which point you will be liable to pay additional charges in accordance with our terms and conditions of parking and further charges will be claimed if Court action is taken against you.

Please do not ignore this communication.

Payment Methods:
1) Bank Transfer
Account UKPS LTD
Account No: 25006760
Sort Code: 30-99-15

2) Cheque / Postal Order
UKPS Ltd
PO BOX 6974
Leamington Spa
CV31 9QU

3) PayPal/Stripe (Please see the Parking Charge Notice to keeper for details)

Kind Regards

UKPS Limited Appeals Team


Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: sooty12113 on September 25, 2025, 10:25:21 am
thanks I will
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: DWMB2 on September 25, 2025, 10:17:04 am
They're not obliged at this stage to show you any signage. Save that for later.
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: jfollows on September 25, 2025, 09:17:49 am
It’s the notice that has to comply with the law, the fact that they have pictures and could have chosen to use them to provide a proper period of parking doesn’t change things because they didn’t.
I wouldn’t personally bother with the signs for now, but see what others advise also. Quite often they’re “forbidding” and add weight that you can’t enter into a contract to park.
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: sooty12113 on September 25, 2025, 08:58:31 am
Also just to add, the remaining photographs on the UKPS website show the driver parking up and returning to the vehicle which are date/time stamped so more than a single timestamp is available, although as you say the parking period is not on the notice
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: sooty12113 on September 25, 2025, 08:46:26 am
Great, thanks for the amazingly prompt reply.

I live over 60 miles away so it's not practical to take a photograph of the sign.

Will I be undermining my argument if I request a copy of the sign at this stage ?
Title: Re: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: jfollows on September 25, 2025, 08:43:38 am
Do not identify the driver, in which case you - the registered keeper - can not be liable for the actions of the driver because the notice does not comply with the requirements of the law to transfer liability from the driver to you.
Specifically, https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4 says
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9(1) A notice which is to be relied on as a notice to keeper for the purposes of paragraph 6(1)(b) is given in accordance with this paragraph if the following requirements are met.

(2)The notice must—

(a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;
and your notice does not specify a “period of parking”.
You can appeal
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I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

Failure to comply with PoFA 2012 Sch 4 para 9(2)(a): your NtK does not “specify the period of parking”. Saying “the period immediately preceding the event time” is not a period. As confirmed in Brennan v Premier Parking Solutions (2023), at least a short period of parking must be specified; a single timestamp or vague wording is insufficient to show that the vehicle was parked at all.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. UKPS has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. UKPS have no hope should you be so stupid as to try and litigate, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
They will reject your appeal, as will the useless IAS, but if you follow advice here it will eventually come to nothing, it will just take some time, patience and attention to detail on your part.

Signage is also important, as you say, but the PCN does not need to include this. If you don’t think the signage is clear you should take pictures of it at a similar time of day and include them in your appeal. Basically you have to put them to the test by showing them inadequate signage.
Title: Private Parking Ticket - wasn't aware on private land
Post by: sooty12113 on September 25, 2025, 08:26:57 am
I have received the attached notice where the driver of my vehicle parked on what he believed was a public road on an industrial estate.

https://imgur.com/a/LPo4ZCT

Subsequent photographs held on the website prove parking and show what appears to be a parking sign across the road that the driver didn't see. One is attached.

What isn't provided is a copy of the sign which wasn't present on the latest edition of google maps/street view.

I plan on requesting a copy of the sign to check if the charge is valid but before I do I'd like an opinion of if the charge is enforceable given I think a copy of the sign should have been provided or for any other reason it isn't

Thanks

Sooty