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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: SM76 on September 23, 2025, 02:46:34 pm

Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: b789 on December 10, 2025, 05:19:44 pm
Please, do not take offence but we really do not need to see useless debt recovery letters from powerless debt collectors. You can safely shred any debt recovery letter and use it as hamster bedding for all anyone cares.

All debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and intimidate the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear. They have zero standing in any alleged breach of contract by the driver. Just ignore them and use their free paper as kindling.
Title: Update Dec2025 DCBL Letter Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: SM76 on December 10, 2025, 03:44:01 pm
I've now had the first letter from DCBL regarding my PCN.
Just a reminder that this was parking was paid for and they have had the recipt and picture of signage to confirm yet it has still got this far despite replies as per advice from here. They also cancelled 2 PCNs from the same week in identical circumstances but continued with this one

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Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: SM76 on October 06, 2025, 11:22:44 am
Done. Thanks again b789
Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: b789 on October 06, 2025, 11:13:33 am
Respond to the data privacy team with the following:

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Subject: PCN [reference] – Misconceived Handling of PAPDC Requests

Dear Privacy Team,

Thank you for your email.

For clarity, my earlier correspondence was not a Freedom of Information or data-subject request. It was a Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (PAPDC) disclosure request, addressed to your Enforcement Team, requiring production of key documents prior to any claim being issued.

Your response demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of that distinction. The PAPDC disclosure duty exists independently of any data-protection framework, and your refusal to supply the requested evidence does not discharge CPP’s pre-litigation obligations.

Please ensure this matter is passed to a responsible adult within your organisation who understands both the PAPDC and the consequences of unreasonable conduct under CPR 27.14(2)(g). If proceedings are issued, this correspondence will be relied upon to evidence CPP’s repeated failures to comply with the protocol.

Yours faithfully,

[Name of Keeper]
[Address]
[Email]
Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: b789 on October 06, 2025, 11:09:13 am
Respond with:

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Subject: PCN [reference] – Your latest email dated [insert date]

To: Enforcement Team, Car Parking Partnership (CPP)

Dear Sirs,

I acknowledge your latest email. The debt is denied.

Your latest email again fails to engage with the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (PAPDC). It neither addresses the Consumer Rights Act 2015 points already raised (ss.50, 62, 68 and 69) nor provides the basic documents requested to narrow the issues. Simply asserting that you “maintain your position” is not PAPDC compliance.

For the second time: please pass this to a responsible adult within your organisation with a working knowledge of the PAPDC and the consequences of unreasonable conduct. If this correspondence is later placed before the court, I am content for it to evidence your repeated failure to respond meaningfully at the pre-action stage.

Why your stance is untenable at PAPDC stage

Protocol engagement: PAPDC requires early, proportionate exchange of information. You have ignored my core requests and threatened proceedings instead.
Substantive law (CRA 2015): Your signage and payment journey represented payment as a compliant option; your terminal accepted the VRM and took the fee for the exact period. You cannot then penalise the same conduct: this is contrary to s.62 (fairness), s.68 (transparency), s.69 (contra proferentem) and s.50 (pre-contract statements binding).
Estoppel: Having represented (via the terminal workflow) that payment secured the right to park, you are estopped from alleging breach.
• Costs threats: Your suggestion of “further costs” mischaracterises small-claims costs. Beyond the fixed issue fee and limited fixed legal costs, add-ons (including “debt recovery”) will be opposed as unrecoverable double recovery. See CPR 27.14; unreasonable conduct will be addressed on costs (incl. the approach reflected in the White Book).

Documents required (re-stated)

Provide within 30 days:
1. Full-size images of all signage in place on the material date and a site plan for the Disabled Blue Badge car park.
2. The terminal audit trail for the VRM for the date (accept/reject logic, timestamps, tariff applied, reconciliation confirming the payment taken).
3. ANPR entry/exit images and camera locations tied specifically to the Disabled Blue Badge car park.
4. The landowner contract conferring authority to offer terms to motorists and to litigate in your own name.

You say the matter has been “passed to our Privacy Team.” I take this as confirmation that my data-rights request is being processed. In line with good practice, you must place the matter on hold until that request is fulfilled and I have had a reasonable opportunity (no less than 30 days) to review the disclosure and respond.

Your threat to add further sums is misconceived. On the small-claims track only fixed issue fees and fixed, limited legal costs are generally recoverable. Any additional “debt recovery” or duplicative legal fees will be opposed as unrecoverable double-recovery.

If you issue without supplying the above documents and without awaiting the Privacy Team’s response, I will draw your conduct to the court’s attention as unreasonable non-compliance with the PAPDC and seek my costs.

Please confirm by return that you have put the matter on hold and that you will supply the documents requested within 30 days. Alternatively, cancel the charge and confirm closure. That remains the only outcome consistent with your signage, your terminal’s acceptance of payment, and the CRA.

Please confirm within 7 days that this has been escalated internally to someone competent to deal with PAPDC compliance, and within 30 days that you will provide the documents listed above.

Yours faithfully,

[Name of Keeper]
[Address]
[Email]
Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: SM76 on October 06, 2025, 11:06:13 am
and then this one as well received this morning......

Dear Mr ......,

Thank you for your correspondence received in relation to the above referenced Parking Charge. We have been passed this as we note you have raised a data query.

Please find attached the ANPR entry, exit and images we hold relating to your vehicle pertaining to the date of 24/05/2025
 
Please note that we only retain non-contravening data captured by our ANPR systems for 6 months and non-contravening images for 90 days.
 
Unfortunately, the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act only applies to public sector organisations. As Parkingeye is a private company, the provisions within that legislation relating to the release of information do not apply in this instance. This notwithstanding, you are able to make a request for access to the data we hold about you, should you wish to do so. Please note that a Request for Access only entitles you to information about, or copies of, your own personal data. On this basis, the more general requests you have made for documentation, such as for a copy of contractual arrangements with the landowner and certifications will not fall within the remit of our response and such documentation will not be provided at this stage.

Please note that the UK General Data Protection Regulation provides the following further rights:

•             The right to request from CPP rectification or erasure of your personal data;

•             The right to request from CPP restriction of processing of your personal data;

•             The right to object to the processing of your personal data.

Please note that some of these rights are not absolute and will only apply in certain circumstances. We will review each request we receive in respect of these rights. We do not have to agree with a request but if we refuse, we will still contact the data subject within one month to explain why. You also have the right to lodge a complaint with the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO). For further information, please refer to the ICO website, www.ico.org.uk. You may also seek a judicial remedy.

For further information about your rights as a data subject, plus information about the categories of data we process, data transfers, the legal basis for our processing, and the purposes of processing, please visit: carparkingpartnership.co.uk/privacy-policy

Kind Regards,

CPP Privacy Team
Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry - New update 06th Oct
Post by: SM76 on October 06, 2025, 08:56:03 am
After sending all of the above as advised by b789, I have had the following by email this morning.......


Good morning,
 

We write regarding the above referenced Parking Charge.
 

We can confirm that we have now reviewed your recent correspondence but we maintain our position that the full amount of the Parking Charge remains outstanding and that we have been unable to reach an agreement in respect of the same via the Reply Form.
 

We can confirm that your request has been passed to our Privacy Team.


We now require full payment of the outstanding sum of Ł130 within the next 14 days or legal action will be taken. Should court proceedings be issued, further costs will be incurred. These will include, but are not limited to, the court claim issue fee and the solicitors costs referred to within the LBCCC.
 

Please note Car Parking Partnership dispute any costs you claim to have incurred and will oppose any application or claim that you may wish to pursue in relation to any such costs.
 

If you wish to make payment, you can do so by telephoning our offices on 0330 900 7777, by visiting www.carparkingpartnership.co.uk, or by posting a cheque/postal order to the below address. Please note that you must quote the above Parking Charge reference on the reverse of the cheque or postal order.

 
Yours faithfully,
 
Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: SM76 on September 29, 2025, 01:32:45 pm
Thank you again b789.

Edited to our details and replied to them.

Your wording was more polite than my own might have been.

Is there anywhere to make a donation towards the running costs of the website?

Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: b789 on September 29, 2025, 11:49:34 am
I advise you to upload the following response to that letter you received:

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[Your Name]
[Your Address]
[Postcode]

[Email address]

Date: [Insert date]

To: Car Parking Partnership (CPP)
PO Box 117
Blyth
NE24 9EJ

Re: Parking Charge Notice [reference]

Dear Enforcement Team,

I acknowledge receipt of your letter dated 29 September 2025. Please pass this response to a responsible adult within your organisation who understands the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (PAPDC). Your refusal to engage at the PAPDC stage is misconceived and will be relied upon on costs as unreasonable conduct.

The PAPDC requires early exchange of information to narrow the issues; it does not permit you to stonewall further correspondence simply because POPLA rejected an appeal. POPLA decisions are not binding on the courts, and in any event, the adjudicator’s finding that paid parking was “not possible” is demonstrably wrong, since your own terminal accepted full payment for this vehicle and period.

If you intend to persist, you are required to supply within 30 days:
[indent[1. Full-size images of all signage in place on the material date together with a site plan for the Blue Badge area.
2. The full audit trail for the VRM on the date in question (accept/reject logic, timestamps, tariff applied and reconciliation showing the payment taken).
3. ANPR entry and exit images, with camera locations specific to the Disabled Blue Badge car park.
4. The landowner contract conferring authority to offer terms and to litigate in your own name.[/indent]

Absent this information, any claim will be defended and your non-compliance with the PAPDC will be raised with the court. I will also rely on the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (sections 50, 62, 68 and 69) to show that the purported term is unfair, not transparent, and that your own signage and payment journey induced payment, thereby estopping you from alleging breach.

If you issue proceedings without addressing these matters, your conduct will be placed before the court and costs will be sought pursuant to CPR 27.14(2)(g).

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]

FYI, anything being submitted electronically does not need a "wet" signature. You can sign anything, including this letter by simply typing your full name.
Title: Re: LBCCC - CPP = University Hospital Coventry - Appeal rejected by CPP
Post by: SM76 on September 29, 2025, 10:25:24 am
After replying to CPP using b789's template, I have today received the following letter.
We have plenty of time to keep going and knowing that we had paid, displayed blue badge etc, we would happily go to court if it gets that far.
Also knowing that they backed down at the POPLA stage on our other 2 identical cases in the same week would make me assume they have set a precedent for themselves.

Do we just ignore this now until something else lands on the doormat?

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Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: SM76 on September 24, 2025, 06:54:41 pm
Thank you for clarification.

Will do that now.
Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: DWMB2 on September 24, 2025, 06:43:35 pm
Do not fill out any reply forms. Send the response to the email address on the Letter of Claim. CC yourself in.
Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: SM76 on September 24, 2025, 06:28:23 pm
One more question ....

I have used the above from b789 and added the Reference number, location, date and keeper details.

Can I just upload that to the portal or do I have to use the reply form as well? I would not do anymore than tick box D to dispute it.


Thanks
Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: b789 on September 24, 2025, 04:56:07 pm
Just send what I suggested.
Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: SM76 on September 24, 2025, 04:49:26 pm
b789 - Thank you very much for taking the time to reply in detail.

Copy of the LBCCC here....

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Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: b789 on September 24, 2025, 01:58:44 pm
Can you show us the Letter of Claim (LoC). Is the LoC from CPP or DCB Legal or any other bulk litigation company? Once you do that, we can provide a suitable response. This will never get as far as a hearing, and even if it did, you only need cite the CRA 2015 at them.

So the car park is for blue badge holders only. You had a valid blue badge. If you want free parking, you must call the number and provide the VRM. However, if you are happy to pay for the parking, and you did, and the system let you, and there is nothing in the sign that says you cannot park there, even if you are a BB holder if you pay for the parking session.

Just goes to show you how this is simply a scam with huge profits for these unregulated private parking firms. Have you made a complaint to PALS? They could have probably had these PCNs cancelled at the time. I suggest you make a formal complaint to the CEO of the NHS Trust that operates the hospital and show how ridiculous their contracted agents are behaving.

Respond to the LoC with the following:

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Re: PCN [ref] – Disabled Blue Badge Car Park, [site], [date]

I deny any debt.

1) Unfair/unclear terms – Consumer Rights Act 2015 (CRA)

• s62 & Sch.2(6)/(10): Any term said to impose a Ł100 charge for Blue Badge users who pay rather than register for free is unfair. It causes a significant imbalance, contrary to good faith, because the signage and payment terminal jointly present payment as a compliant option and then seek a penalty for using it.

s68 (transparency & prominence): The sign (your own wording) states:

“Blue Badge holders – to obtain free parking ... please provide [details] by calling the helpline...”

It does not state that Blue Badge holders MUST register, nor that paid parking is prohibited in that car park. Your terminal accepted the VRM and payment for the precise period used. Any prohibition on paid parking (if that is your case) was not transparent or prominent.

s69 (contra proferentem): Where terms are ambiguous, the consumer-friendly interpretation prevails. The natural reading is that free parking is available if desired (by registering), not that paying is a breach.

2) Acceptance of payment – estoppel by representation

Your own system invited entry of the registration number, displayed the correct vehicle image, and accepted full payment for the stay. Having represented that payment secured the right to park for that period, you are estopped from alleging breach for doing exactly that. If paid parking were impermissible, your system should have rejected the VRM/payment.

3) No legitimate interest in a penalty on these facts

Even if ParkingEye v Beavis were engaged, it does not assist where the trader’s own signage and machine workflow induce payment as a compliant route. There is no legitimate interest in penalising a motorist for following the process you provided and profited from.

4) POPLA’s factual error

POPLA stated that paid parking was “not possible” in this car park. That is demonstrably wrong: your signage invites payment for parking generally and your terminal processed the transaction for this vehicle and period. You cannot found a claim on an adjudication that proceeds from a mistaken fact.

5) Pre-Action Protocol – disclosure requested

To narrow the issues, please supply within 30 days:

1. The full-size, legible signage images in place on the material date, and the full site plan showing sign locations for the Blue Badge car park.
2. The machine/terminal audit trail for the relevant VRM covering the entire day (authorisations, accept/reject logic, tariff applied, timestamps, and reconciliation showing my payment).
3. The ANPR entry/exit images and lane/camera location for the Disabled Blue Badge-only area, evidencing CPP’s knowledge of the exact car park used.
4. The operative contract with the landholder demonstrating standing to offer parking terms and to litigate.
5. Copies of all letters and evidence relied upon.

Pending receipt, the claim is premature and not properly particularised.

6) Proposed resolution

On any fair application of the CRA and basic estoppel principles, this claim is untenable. Please cancel the PCN and confirm the matter closed. If you proceed, I will rely on the above and seek my costs for unreasonable conduct.

Yours faithfully,

[Name of Keeper]

[Address]
[Email]
Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: SM76 on September 23, 2025, 04:16:21 pm
You pay at a terminal before returning to the car. Enter reg number and a picture of vehicle shows on screens and it asks you to confirm that it is the correct vehicle. There are images of the car entering and leaving the Disabled Blue Badge only car park at the stated times so they are fully aware of where we were parked.

The wording from the sign in my first post is taken from the sign in full - copy and pasted from the photograph of the sign.
Nowhere does it say that you Must obtain free parking by registering but it certainly does say that you have to enter your registration number and pay at a teminal if you haven't registered for free parking.
Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: jfollows on September 23, 2025, 04:06:53 pm
OK, so I couldn’t have parked in the same car park.

You paid on exit so no way the machine knew where you parked exactly. Unless the exit machine was only for the disabled car park.

I suspect what the signs say might be important.
Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: SM76 on September 23, 2025, 04:00:03 pm
To confirm...

There are also regular non blue badge car parks which is chargable and fees are the same. We parked in the diasbled spaces as there was a child who is a full time wheelchair user / Blue Badge holder in the vehcile going to an appointment - one of 3 that week hence 3 PCNS.

The driver and wheelchair user passenger were in the car. Parked in a Blue Badge only car park and and displayed the blue badge.
Parked for 1 hour and 7 minutes and then paid for up to 2 hours on way out as that it what the terminal said was due.

I will upload documents / pictures later once as Imgur wouldn't upload them as PDFS which is how I've got them saved currently.
Title: Re: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: jfollows on September 23, 2025, 03:22:19 pm
Can I just clarify?

You parked in a “disabled car park” and displayed a blue badge but paid for parking. Is parking for a fee available to “non disabled” people? In which case, are you saying that the only difference between your parking and mine, had I been there, is that you displayed a blue badge whereas I didn’t?

It would help to see the signs and the paperwork, yes, per https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/
Title: LBCCC - Central Parking Partnership = University Hospital Coventry
Post by: SM76 on September 23, 2025, 02:46:34 pm
Firstly apologies for coming here a bit late in the process. Reason for this is as follows.

3 PCNs were issued in 1 week for same alleged contravention. Car is a motability car registered in youngsters name and being sure that there had been no contravention, the driver had no problem responding to CPP with details. All 3 initial responses were declined and so went down the POPLA route.
Each alleged contravention was the same and each appeal was exactly the same word for word with supporting evidence of Car Park Signage, Blue badge and parking receipt.
2 of the PCNS were cancelled when CPP withdrew but the 3rd one went all the way and was unsuccessful.Reading the POPLA response, I'm positive that the adjucator hasn't bothered to read the parking signage fully so here we are. They have acknowledged that the Blue Badge was displayed and that payment was made.
The fact that they withdrew on 2 of 3 identical cases means they are wrong in my view but am keen for anyone elses thoughts.

Parking was in a disabled car park, Blue Badge was displayed and parking was paid for in full with receipts.
Free parking is available for blue badge holders by registering the vehicle, however we were visiting at short notice and were happy to pay.
The sign says 'to obtain free parking' and not 'MUST obtain free parking' as per POPLAs response which also stated that Paid parking was not possible in the car park when the sign clearly states that it is. Also, why would the terminal accept the vehicle registration number and accept payment for the period if it was not allowed.
My opinion is that they have gained from us paying to park as opposed to registering for free parking.

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The car park sign wording is here and the parts that I believe are most relevant I have hopefully made bold.

Blue Badge Holders Only
Blue Badge holders - to obtain free parking until your Blue Badge expires, please provide your full, correct vehicle registration and valid Blue Badge by calling the helpline on 01493 738281
Failure to comply with the terms & conditions will result in a Parking Charge of:
Ł100
Gar Parking Partnership ("CP") is a trading name of ParkingEye Limited. CP is authorised by the landowner to operate and manage this private car park. Certain parking terms and conditions apply, which are set out within this notice (the "Parking Contract"). By parking, waiting or otherwise remaining within this car park, you agree to comply with the Parking Contract, including making payment as required and entering your vehicle registration details via the payment machines and/or terminal systems. If you fail to comply with the Parking Contract, you will become liable to pay the sum specified on this notice (the
"Parking Charge"). If a Parking Charge becomes due, a reduced payment option will be available for a specified period from issue. Failure to pay within this period will result in the full amount becoming payable.
If the Parking Charge remains unpaid beyond 28 days, recovery charges in respect of further action may apply. The Parking Contract shall form the entire agreement between the parties and any variation of the terms shall not be valid unless confirmed in writing by CPP. Please note that CPP is not responsible for the car park surface, damage or loss to or from motor vehicles, or general site safety. In addition to the Parking Contract please see privacy information below.
Privacy Information - when you use this car park, CP collects and processes certain data in order to ensure that you are complying with our terms and conditions and to enforce these where necessary. We also use the data for car park management. This will include, for example, reporting on vehicle turnover and repeat visits in order to improve the customer experience. The data we collect comprises images of vehicles using the car park and/or the Vehicle Registration Mark. This is collected via Automatic Number Plate Recognition cameras and/or attendants on-site, as well as via payment machines or terminals. We may share data from time to time as required to support the purposes stated above. When collecting the data specified above, CPP is the Data Controller. For more information, including details about your rights as a data subject, please visit our website at https://www.carparkingpartnership.co.uk/privacy-policy. Alternatively, you can email us at privacy@carparkingpartnership.co.uk or contact us by telephone at 0333 1235 988.
Car Parking Partnership
Telephone 0330 900 7777
PO BOX 635, Chorley, PR6 6NJ
This car park is private property
Car park monitored by
ANDR cuctame
PROVE
BPAM


**Other visitors regularly get PCNs for this car park when payment has been made and most that are appealed are cancelled but it is a problem that needs resolving as we know that a lot of the older disabled users will not appeal and just pay it.