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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Maz on September 14, 2025, 06:29:18 am
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Thank you but that is different from what they showed me, assuming they are showing me driving down the wrong road. But I still don't think the road signs are clear, no indication of a bus lane or no right turn. I will try and appeal it or do you think I'm wasting my time as it's the same manoeuvre with two different fines
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Here's the junction that you turned right at. You will see that there is a road marking indicating ahead only for traffic and there are also arrows on the traffic lights.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Tottenham+Ct+Rd,+London/@51.5227884,-0.1371623,3a,37.5y,69.38h,89.44t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sARoQ0GPYFAW73Pod3rT4lg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D0.5622461608217861%26panoid%3DARoQ0GPYFAW73Pod3rT4lg%26yaw%3D69.37605614986555!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x48761b2ea4ac3537:0x480fff266cb7e45f!8m2!3d51.5203283!4d-0.1340327!16zL20vMDE3ZzZj?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MTAwMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
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https://imgpile.com/p/fDzvY6w
Thanks for letting me know about IMUGUR
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Yes the PCN have been paid
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Ah I see I did misunderstand that. I have had fines reversed when it had been paid by enterprise already and had my admin fee refunded. Enterprises Stance is that I'm liable for all fines and I would have to take it up with Camden
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Sorry brain not working I forgot you can see videos etc. I can't post the or picture as imugur isn't working. It looks like this has been appealed a few times and the area is restricted to vehicles during a certain time. But there is no forewarning, and no markings on the road. The sign is so high above a stretlamp there is no way I would have seen it.ive used some wording from similar posts and added my own bits there. Is this enough, I'm scared to drive there now it's near my son's university still can't see restrictions when I'm driving.
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Thanks for that, but I was looking for advice to appeal. The guidance on here says to not contact the council first, I wanted to know what the charge for moving was and then see if I can challenge it
Shall I just email Camden to know what the offence was and then challenge
I am not sure you have fully understood the significance of what Incandescent was saying.
If Enterprise (or anyone else for that matter) has paid the Penalties, then as far as Camden are concerned the case is closed (payment is seen as an issue of liability) and Camden have no furthjer interst in the matter..
Your beef is now with Enterprise - what does the 'small print' in your hire agreement with them say abour fines and penalties?
Strange I can't attach anything now.
As Imgur is no longer available in the UK, you will need to use
ibb.co (https://imgbb.com/) or https://imgpile.com/
for posting images.
Wherever possible, use the BBCode
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Completely forgot you can check this online.
When you checked online do the PCNs show as paid?
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Completely forgot you can check this online.
I guess I need to appeal to see the video
Date28/08/2025 18:31PCN NumberCU71959913Vehicle RegistrationKW72JTYStreetTOTTENHAM COURT ROAD W1 By Junction With University StreetContravention TypeUsing A Route Restricted To Certain Vehicles -buses And CyclesContravention Code33HContraventionUsing a route restricted to certain vehicles local buses and cycles only
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Shall I just email Camden to know what the offence was and then challenge
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Thanks for that, but I was looking for advice to appeal. The guidance on here says to not contact the council first, I wanted to know what the charge for moving was and then see if I can challenge it
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The letters you have posted show that you hired a car from Enterprise, then two PCNs were sent to them during your hire period for moving traffic offences which they then paid. They are now collecting the money from you. You need to look at their conditions of hire, because at the moment, you have no standing in the matter because under the decriminalised legislation for parking and traffic offences, the owner of the vehicle has responsibility for PCNs incl paying or appealing.
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Reference ID
: 109964743
Issuing Agency
: London Borough of Camden
Citation Number
: CU71959913
Citation Issue Date/Time
: 28/08/2025 @ 18:31
Location Of Offense
: TOTTENHAM COURT ROAD
W1 BY JUNCTION WITH
UNIVERSITY STREET
Plate Number
KW72JTY
Citation Amount Due
£80.00
Admin Fee Due
£35.00
Violation Type
: MOVING
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Reference ID
: 109964747
Issuing Agency
: London Borough of Camden
Citation Number
: CU71960355
Citation Issue Date/Time
: 28/08/2025 @ 18:33
Location Of Offense
: TOTTENHAM COURT ROAD
W1 BY JUNCTION WITH
CHENIES STREET
Plate Number
: KW72JTY
Citation Amount Due
: £80.00
Admin Fee Due
: £35.00
Violation Type
: MOVING
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Oh annoying. Is there another app to use to upload as it isn't blurry when I open it. Maybe quicker to copy and paste info if I can
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Out of focus for me.
Pl post as recommended.
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Strange I can't attach anything now. Ah I could on a previous post. Downloading an app now to create a link 🙂
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Afternoon,
I have no other correspondence so far.
Thank you.
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Thanks that is so kind, I'm still a newish driver so getting there slowly. Well done on your appeal. Bus lanes are another nightmare when they merge quickly
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No need tom apologise. Welcome to The Not So Yellow Brick Road. Not us, them, the others=councils.
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Sorry thanks
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Welcome to ftla.
As usual, for meaningful advice you will need to have a read of
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/
and post up here
all sides of the first PCN (only redact yr name & address - leave all else in) and the 1st side of the 2nd PCN,
any video,
any council photos,
and
a GSV link to the location(s).
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Morning,can I please ask if I correct with the first stages of understanding a PCN are writing to the council for further information. I have two moving infractions within 3 minutes of each other but don't understand what they are for.
Thanks