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Live cases legal advice => Speeding and other criminal offences => Topic started by: FaeLLe on September 09, 2025, 04:08:54 pm
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With regards to signange, the 20mph sign seems to be after the camera.
But I imagine there was a sign or two before that one.
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Those images are from December 2022 - the April 2025 images of the same location are somewhat different: https://maps.app.goo.gl/YKg8wVPseEghBMDJA?g_st=ac (https://maps.app.goo.gl/YKg8wVPseEghBMDJA?g_st=ac)
(https://i.imgur.com/QuarG4A.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ki0aqsG.png)
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Is a Traffic Order that just states "all GLA roads" make it valid? Like parking management traffic orders do they not need to name the roads specifically?
With regards to signange, the 20mph sign seems to be after the camera.
(https://i.imgur.com/Z5Z5sxr.jpeg)
30mpg sign before the camera.
(https://i.imgur.com/Y9xV15D.jpeg)
I will go check what the actual signage says though today.
Can someone please advice if the content of this 'Traffic Order' would be considered sufficient to make this order / offence binding?
Yes, why wouldn't it?
20mph signage in place too - Here. (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Searles+Rd,+London/@51.4941382,-0.0882336,3a,46.9y,262.52h,86.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUNixnjpiDZaHbWsCtvIVZQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D3.9815231370475175%26panoid%3DUNixnjpiDZaHbWsCtvIVZQ%26yaw%3D262.5202000802919!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x4876036756c704f1:0x8faf55fde5cbecc2!8m2!3d51.4936485!4d-0.0872934!16s%2Fg%2F1tfj2n1n?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDkwMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D)
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Can someone please advice if the content of this 'Traffic Order' would be considered sufficient to make this order / offence binding?
Yes, why wouldn't it?
20mph signage in place too - Here. (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Searles+Rd,+London/@51.4941382,-0.0882336,3a,46.9y,262.52h,86.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sUNixnjpiDZaHbWsCtvIVZQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D3.9815231370475175%26panoid%3DUNixnjpiDZaHbWsCtvIVZQ%26yaw%3D262.5202000802919!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x4876036756c704f1:0x8faf55fde5cbecc2!8m2!3d51.4936485!4d-0.0872934!16s%2Fg%2F1tfj2n1n?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDkwMy4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D)
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My partner was found doing 24 in a 20 mph zone; a 'National Speed Awareness Course' has been offered or in the alternate, accepting the PCN of £100 and accepting 3 penalty points.
However, it seems the location under discussion was previously a 30mph zone which is now made into a 20mph zone through a 'Traffic Order'. According to a news article (https://www.se1.news/20-mph-old-kent-road-new-kent-road-tower-bridge-road/) the relevant Traffic Order is GLA Roads and GLA Side Roads (London Borough of Southwark) (20 mph Speed Limit) Order 2023 (https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/4513723/?ref=se1.news).
Can someone please advice if the content of this 'Traffic Order' would be considered sufficient to make this order / offence binding?
This speed camera can be located in the Met police disclosure for FOI by searching for 4464: https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/metropolitan-police/disclosure-2023/july-2023/locations-speed-traffic-cameras/
Location of speed camera: A201 New Kent Rd nr Searles Rd W/B SE1 (4464).