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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: AC PCN Battersea Reach on September 02, 2025, 07:38:43 pm

Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: b789 on October 25, 2025, 07:50:42 pm
Well, it won't "just go away" unless you cave in and pay the scammers. All you have to do is send the following emails and you can safely ignore DRP or any other useless debt collector.

Send the following to PESS and CC PCS and yourself:

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Subject: PCN [ref B] – cancellation or ADR re-opening

Dear Sir or Madam,

You (or your agent) have already cancelled PCN [ref A] after admitting an ANPR timing error. The remaining PCN [ref B] is also unreliable. My Google Location History contradicts your alleged entry time for [date], and I hold doorbell footage confirming I could not have been on site at that time. Your signage states “30 minutes maximum stay” and contains no “no return within
  • hours” term, therefore separate short visits are not a breach. The PPSCoP requires manual checks for multiple visits and orphan images. The admitted error on PCN [ref A] indicates those checks were not performed.


Please cancel PCN [ref B] within 14 days. In the alternative, re-open ADR and issue a fresh POPLA code so the matter can be reviewed in light of your conceded ANPR failure and my evidence.

For the avoidance of doubt, Debt Recovery Plus have no standing or locus whatsoever: they are not a party to any alleged contract, cannot determine liability, and cannot litigate. Do not refer me to the useless and powerless DRP. Any approach via DRP will be ignored and treated as harassment; I will report misuse of my data to the DVLA and ICO and seek costs for unreasonable conduct if proceedings are issued.

DRP are irrelevant to this matter—stop sharing my data with them and you can refer them to the answer given in Arkell v Pressdram (1971). All future contact must come directly from you as creditor or from a regulated firm of solicitors only.

Please confirm cancellation or provide a fresh POPLA code within 14 days.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]
[Address]
[Email]
[VRM]
[PCN ref B]
cc: PCS

Send the following to the Landowner or Estate/Managing Agent and CC yourself:

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Subject: Immediate action required – your liability as principal – PCN [ref B], [site]

Dear Sirs,

You appointed the parking contractor at [site] and you retain contractual control. Their actions are carried out as your agent. One PCN ([ref A]) has already been cancelled after the contractor admitted an ANPR timing error. The remaining PCN ([ref B]) is also disputed on clear evidence (Google Location History and doorbell footage). The signage says “30 minutes maximum stay” and does not prohibit returns. Separate short visits are not a breach.

I am putting you on notice that if this matter is pushed into litigation I will:
1. Treat you as the principal responsible for your agent’s conduct and losses caused by it.
2. Seek to recover my costs flowing from unreasonable conduct, including the contractor’s refusal to cancel when presented with clear evidence and their admitted system error on [ref A].
3. Consider applying to add you as a party or to seek appropriate orders requiring your involvement and disclosure, on the basis that you control the contract and can instruct cancellation.
4. Rely on this notice when asking the court to make appropriate cost orders.

You can avoid this by instructing your contractor to cancel PCN [ref B] now. Please confirm cancellation within 7 days. If you do not, this letter will be relied upon to show you were warned of your potential liability and given a fair chance to resolve the issue.

Attached: cancellation confirmation for PCN [ref A]; Google Timeline extract for [date]. The doorbell footage is retained and will be produced if required.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]
[Address]
[Email]
[VRM]
[PCN ref B]
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: AC PCN Battersea Reach on October 25, 2025, 12:13:49 pm
Apologies for not updating- I did recieve the SAR details after I pursued. I wrote to PESS but they have clearly replied saying that I am to only deal with DRP as PESS are off the case and have handed over everything to DRP.
After a few back and forth emails to all parties, the DRP complaints team have come back and cancelled one PCN because their calculation of my stay was wrong as mentioned in my post above.
Is there any way I could get the second PCN cancelled as well before it escalates to county court? If it does go there, I have evidence from my Google location timeline as well as my neighbour's doorbell cam recording but I am exhausted already dealing with it having spent endless hours researching, gathering evidence and communicating with so many different parties. I personally do not want to spend more time on this matter and want this to end. Any help is appreciated.
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: b789 on October 20, 2025, 08:09:37 pm
What matters right now is that you ignore DRP entirely. They are not a party to any contract and have no standing. The data controllers are PESS for the parking operation and PCS for their letters. Your SAR rights are owed by the controllers. An unreadable or wrong-password file does not satisfy a SAR. Under UK GDPR the controller must facilitate access within one month in an intelligible, accessible form. The clock does not stop because they sent a bad password.

They have already admitted an ANPR error on one PCN. That supports a systemic multiple-visit or orphan-image problem. Your Google Timeline and your doorbell footage contradict the remaining PCN’s alleged entry time. The sign shows “30 minutes maximum stay” and contains no “no return within X hours” term, so two separate short visits are not a breach.

Debt-collector letters are noise. Only a Letter of Claim or a County Court claim matters. Harassment claims for debt letters alone are rarely worth pursuing, but their unreasonable conduct can count against them on costs if they sue and then lose or discontinue late.

For now write to the PESS Data Protection Officer and copy the PCS DPO. State that you made a SAR to PESS, that a third party sent an inaccessible password-protected file, and that this does not satisfy PESS’s duty as controller. Require PESS to provide the disclosure directly to you or via a working secure link within 7 days and confirm that the original one-month SAR deadline continues to run. Require them to place enforcement on hold while they comply.

Send a SAR scope and hold request to the PESS DPO (copy PCS). Require full-day ANPR event logs for your VRM for each incident date including all images and camera IDs or locations, the operator’s manual quality-control checks for orphan images or multiple visits, the DVLA reasonable-cause audit trail showing who requested data and when, all correspondence logs including email send logs and metadata for the alleged 14 July rejection, and site-signage images current at the time. Ask them to keep all processing and enforcement on hold for 30 days while they comply.

Send a cancellation demand to PESS complaints (copy PCS and the estate or landowner or managing agent). Say they have admitted one PCN was wrong because it was under 30 minutes, that your evidence shows the remaining ANPR “entry” is wrong, that the sign contains no no-return term so multiple short visits are not prohibited, and that their Code requires manual ANPR checks for orphan images which they appear not to have done, resulting in an unreliable DVLA data use. Ask them to cancel the remaining PCN or, failing that, to re-open ADR and issue a fresh POPLA code in light of their admitted error and your new evidence. Give 14 days.

Prepare your evidence bundle but hold the video unless litigation starts. Export Google Location History for both dates in raw form and a printable view. Export the doorbell clip and keep the original. Note the device clock settings and keep a checksum. Gather any school or nursery timings, receipts, or a brief witness note.

At the same time, complain to DVLA (Step 2) that PESS pursued you using unreliable ANPR without required orphan-image checks, that one PCN has already been admitted as wrong, and ask for an investigation into their reasonable-cause use. If the SAR remains non-compliant or they refuse to correct inaccurate data, complain to the ICO for failure to facilitate access and for processing inaccurate data.

As already mentioned, ignore everything from DRP. Only respond to a Letter of Claim or a court claim. If a Letter of Claim arrives, reply within 30 days with a short evidence summary, demand full ANPR logs and QC records, put them to strict proof on signage terms and ANPR accuracy, and state that you will seek costs for unreasonable conduct and any false debt-recovery add-ons.

Deal only with PESS and PCS. Force proper SAR compliance within 7 days. Demand cancellation using the admitted ANPR failure and the missing no-return term. Copy in the landowner. Prepare for a Letter of Claim.
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: AC PCN Battersea Reach on October 20, 2025, 05:08:42 pm
Thank you for all the responses and advice so far. I have been told by PESS that the debt company(DRP) is now the sole point of contact for my charge. As written previously, I have 2 PCNs here. DRP complaints team took up the case after my formal complaint and have now come back to me apologising for the error in one of the PCNs and have dropped that charge since it was indeed less than the stipulated 30 mins parking time. However, they are still withholding the other charge where they claim I was there for 34 mins. However, for this PCN I had sent google maps timeline which shows that I wasn't on the site at the entry time stated in the ANPR. I possess doorbell camera evidence for this charge which also proves that I couldn't have reached the site at the time stamp of the ANPR. They have igored this completely though I haven't shared the doorbel cam evidence but have only stated it to them. I have sent the google maps timeline in my appeal though. I would be very grateful if you could please help me understand how I should proceed further. They have accepted their error but not before harrassing me for weeks with the debt letters. Are they liable for this? I would like to simply ask(demand) them to drop all charges and forget this nightmare. Please help.
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: AC PCN Battersea Reach on October 01, 2025, 07:04:46 pm
I wrote to pess requesting SAR as suggested in the thread but Debt recovery plus sent me the email with the file stating that they share the files.
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: b789 on October 01, 2025, 06:56:04 pm
Why were you even communicating with the powerless DRP? They are irrelevant to anything going on here. They should be ignored. There only power is to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: AC PCN Battersea Reach on October 01, 2025, 02:18:57 pm
I have received an email response for my SAR request from Debt Recovery Plus as a zip file that is password protected. The password that they have provided me with is not working and is not opening the file. I called to enquire regarding this but was told that I would get a call back from the manager. However, I have not had a call back. How should I proceed?
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: DWMB2 on September 05, 2025, 05:10:10 pm
The starting point in court is that it is for the claimant to prove their case, not for you to prove yours. When it comes to assessing evidence, civil court works on the 'balance of probabilities' - if your evidence can demonstrate that, on the balance of probability, your vehicle was not there for the durations claimed, you win. You seem to have some decent evidence that casts doubt on the parking company's version of events.

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Who sends the court letter?
A Letter of Claim would come from the parking company or (more likely) a legal firm representing them. The actual court claim would come from the courts.
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: AC PCN Battersea Reach on September 05, 2025, 05:02:18 pm
I now have evidence from my neighbour's doorbell camera which shows me leaving the house at 16:56. However, since it was raining heavily that day, I had a raincoat with a hood- no one except people who know me can say that it was me! My car is also shown in the video but the number plate is covered by a temporary road sign. Will this be an acceptable evidence in court? The minimum driving time to the location from home is 10mins with zero traffic.
Apologies for this question, I am very ignorant in these matters. Who sends the court letter? The court or the parking company? Will I definitely receive it by post? I just hope there will be a fair chance to show all the evidence I have.
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: b789 on September 05, 2025, 02:41:26 pm
It is very possible that they have tried to edit the timestamp. You are dealings it’s ex-clampers who will do anything to try and keep their snouts in the money trough that is the unregulated private parking scam.

I seriously doubt this will ever reach a hearing in court and of course tney will be put to strict proof of their claim. It is not your job to prove you were not there longer than you state. The burden of proof is on them to prove you were.

You would wait to see what evidence they come up with and then you can rebut anything.
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: AC PCN Battersea Reach on September 05, 2025, 02:24:45 pm
Really appreciate all your detailed responses, I am extremely grateful, thank you. To prepare for any future court claims, I am trying to gather as much evidence as possible based on your suggestions. For the moment, I have received photographics evidence by email of the time stamps of my entry and exit from PESS for which they have issued the PCN. They do not have any other recordings.
On the 14th, the recording is entry-exit total time 29mins 18secs( 16:45:55 to 17:15:13). I am glad because I do not have my google maps timeline for this date. I am definitely fighting this.
For the 7th, their photo suggests that I entered at 17:01 whereas my google timeline shows 17:10( that's a big difference for such a small road). My exit in their photo shows 17:36 and my google maps timeline shows me driving away at 17:35 which is probably right.
To understand better, do they manually enter the time for ANPR systems or did the camera capture this? Could they argue that google maps timeline is not accurate? I did keep a timer in my phone on that day to avoid overstaying so I am certain that I did not stay for more than 30 mins. I am so confused how they have the time 17:01 as I left home at 16.57 and there is no way for me to have arrived there in 4 mins( unfortunately my doorbell camera has deleted the file as it was more than two months old). However, with this photographic evidence from their side, where do I stand, what are my chances?
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: b789 on September 04, 2025, 08:25:07 am
Evidence from a phone call is not worth the paper it isn’t written on. SAR PESS for EVERY piece of information they have on you and the vehicle. EVERYTHING, including all metadata and strict proof of posting anything by snail mail.

By fighting this, the most likely outcome is that they will push all the way to a county court claim which will eventually be struck out or discontinued before any hearing.

You can safely ignore all debt recovery letters. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Get a DVLA complaint in your husbands name. They had no reasonable cause to request his data as PESS/PCS failed to comply with the PPSCoP section 7.3(d) which states:

7.3. Use of photographic evidence

Photographic evidence must not be used by a parking operator as the basis for issuing a parking charge unless:

d) images generated by ANPR or CCTV have been subject to a manual quality control check, including the accuracy of the timestamp and the risk of keying errors.

Note 1 to that subsection then goes on to clearly state:

NOTE 1: The manual quality control check for remote ANPR and CCTV systems is particularly important for detecting issues such as “double dipping”, where image camera systems might have failed to accurately record each instance when a vehicle enters and leaves controlled land, and for checking images that might have been taken other than by a trained parking attendant (see Clause 15). The manual check might also reveal where “tailgating” – vehicles passing a camera close together – is a problem, suggesting relocation of the camera might be necessary.

Whilst the DVLA will try to fob it off under the excuse of reasonable cause, you have evidence that they cannot have performed the required manual quality control checks, otherwise they would have known that there was no reasonable cause to request his data in the first place. Escalate if necessary.
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: DWMB2 on September 03, 2025, 02:26:48 pm
I would recommend getting that information in writing as per b789's suggestions - you recounting details from a phone call is evidence, but not as reliable as the same in writing.
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: AC PCN Battersea Reach on September 03, 2025, 02:09:27 pm
You made a serious mistake by appealing the parking charge in your own name and identifying yourself as the driver. The notice was sent to your husband as the registered keeper, and crucially, the parking company was not relying on the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) to hold him liable. That means they had no legal route to pursue him unless he named the driver—which he didn’t.

As long as your husband stayed silent or simply stated he wasn’t the driver and didn’t wish to name the driver, the parking company would have been stuck. Without PoFA compliance and without knowing who was driving, they couldn’t legally enforce the charge against anyone.

But by voluntarily appealing and admitting you were the driver, you handed them exactly what they needed. You gave them a name and a liability target. Now they don’t need PoFA. They can pursue you directly, and they likely will—through debt collection letters and possibly a county court claim.

This could have been shut down cleanly if you hadn’t stepped in. Instead, you’ve exposed yourself to legal action and removed the keeper’s protection. That’s the reality now.

However, all is not lost, even though you blew up the guaranteed, golden ticket win had the Keeper simply appealed and refused to identify the driver.

Here is a plain explanation of where you stand and what you can do next.

What this notice is
PCS (Parking Collection Services) sent the letter, but the “creditor” named on it is Parking Enforcement and Security Services (PESS). PCS are acting as PESS’s back-office/agent. The sign on site is branded “Battersea Reach” with PESS details and shows “30 minutes maximum stay”. There is no “no return within X hours” term on the sign in your photo.

Why PoFA no longer helps you
The notice you received is not drafted to transfer liability to the registered keeper under PoFA. That would normally be a strong defence for the keeper. However, you appealed in your own name and identified yourself as the driver. That lets PESS pursue you directly as driver, so PoFA becomes irrelevant in your case.

The core merits of your case
a) Multiple short visits (“double-dip”): ANPR systems often pair the first entry with the last exit and miss a middle visit. The sign says a single stay is limited to 30 minutes. It does not say visits are cumulative across a day. If you made two or more brief visits, there will be “orphan” images that their system should have found.

b) Required ANPR checks: The PPSCoP requires operators who use ANPR to run manual quality control checks to detect orphan images and multiple visits. If they failed to do that, the data request to DVLA was unlawfully made off the back of unreliable ANPR evidence.

c) Consideration/grace time: camera “gate to gate” timestamps overstate the true “period of parking”, because time is needed to enter, read signs and leave.

d) Signage: ambiguity is read against the operator. “30 minutes maximum stay” with no “no return” term does not ban two separate short drop-offs.

Your options, simply:

A) Pay and finish it. Fast, no further hassle.
B) Fight it. Reasonable prospects if you can show multiple short visits and the lack of a “no return” term. Ignore debt-collector letters. Only engage with the operator/its solicitors, a Letter of Claim, or an actual county court claim.

What to do now if you wish to fight

a) Send a Subject Access Request to PESS (and copy PCS). Ask for full ANPR logs for your number plate for each date, all images, camera locations/IDs, and the internal check they performed for orphan images/multiple visits. Ask for copies of every letter/email, together with send logs/metadata, and site photographs of the signage current at the time. Tell them to place the account on hold for 30 days while they comply.

b) Send a short complaint to PESS saying you were abroad from 24 July to 28 August (attach proof), you never received the alleged 14 July rejection email, and the undated copy they later sent does not prove it was transmitted. Ask them either to cancel or to issue a fresh POPLA code as fair ADR.

c) Ask the landowner/site managing agent to cancel as a discretionary cancellation. Attach your Google Location Timeline for the one date you have, explain there were multiple short drop-offs/pick-ups, and state that the sign contains no “no return” term.

d) Gather evidence now for both dates: export Google Location History if available; keep any receipts, dashcam files, school/nursery timing records, or witnesses.

DVLA and complaints
If the ANPR was not quality-checked for orphan images, the “reasonable cause” to get keeper data is in doubt. You can raise a complaint to the DVLA and, if needed, to the ICO, on the basis that inaccurate ANPR processing led to your data being used to pursue a charge that appears to arise from a missed multiple-visit check. Keep this proportional: it supports your position but does not itself cancel the charge.

If a Letter of Claim or a court claim arrives
Do not ignore either. You would defend on the merits: two short visits are not a single overstay, the sign allows separate visits, the operator failed to carry out the required ANPR quality controls, the camera times are not the parking period, and any added “debt recovery” add-on is not recoverable. If it reached a hearing and you lost, there is no lasting CCJ if you pay within one calendar month.

If you can evidence two separate short visits (ideally on both dates) and the operator’s logs show more than one entry/exit, fighting is sensible. If you cannot assemble evidence for the second ticket and want zero hassle, paying may be the pragmatic option.

Of course, if it were me, I’d fight it all the way.

Thank you very much for the detailed guidance, extremely grateful for this. In the meantime, it occurred to me to call PESS number on the battersea signpost to ask for the time stamps( as it was not visible on the PCN website). The 1st timeline according to the PESS log is arrival 17.01 and departure 17.36. My google timeline shows that I arrived at the site only at 17.10 and left at 17.35. I also arrived earlier at 15.48 and left at 16.10 which was not logged. For the 2nd PCN, PESS log arrival is 16.45 and departure 17.15( which is exactly 30mins anyways). I do not have a google maps timeline for this trip unfortunately but based on my children's lesson timings and my memory, I arrived to drop off at 16.00, left straight after and came back for pick up, arriving at 17.15 and leaving at 17.35. I am baffled by the discrepencies in the timelogs and my timeline. I know the 30 mins rule and have been extremely cautious with it during all my trips, especially on these days with a timer.
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: b789 on September 03, 2025, 01:47:41 pm
You made a serious mistake by appealing the parking charge in your own name and identifying yourself as the driver. The notice was sent to your husband as the registered keeper, and crucially, the parking company was not relying on the Protection of Freedoms Act (PoFA) to hold him liable. That means they had no legal route to pursue him unless he named the driver—which he didn’t.

As long as your husband stayed silent or simply stated he wasn’t the driver and didn’t wish to name the driver, the parking company would have been stuck. Without PoFA compliance and without knowing who was driving, they couldn’t legally enforce the charge against anyone.

But by voluntarily appealing and admitting you were the driver, you handed them exactly what they needed. You gave them a name and a liability target. Now they don’t need PoFA. They can pursue you directly, and they likely will—through debt collection letters and possibly a county court claim.

This could have been shut down cleanly if you hadn’t stepped in. Instead, you’ve exposed yourself to legal action and removed the keeper’s protection. That’s the reality now.

However, all is not lost, even though you blew up the guaranteed, golden ticket win had the Keeper simply appealed and refused to identify the driver.

Here is a plain explanation of where you stand and what you can do next.

What this notice is
PCS (Parking Collection Services) sent the letter, but the “creditor” named on it is Parking Enforcement and Security Services (PESS). PCS are acting as PESS’s back-office/agent. The sign on site is branded “Battersea Reach” with PESS details and shows “30 minutes maximum stay”. There is no “no return within X hours” term on the sign in your photo.

Why PoFA no longer helps you
The notice you received is not drafted to transfer liability to the registered keeper under PoFA. That would normally be a strong defence for the keeper. However, you appealed in your own name and identified yourself as the driver. That lets PESS pursue you directly as driver, so PoFA becomes irrelevant in your case.

The core merits of your case
a) Multiple short visits (“double-dip”): ANPR systems often pair the first entry with the last exit and miss a middle visit. The sign says a single stay is limited to 30 minutes. It does not say visits are cumulative across a day. If you made two or more brief visits, there will be “orphan” images that their system should have found.

b) Required ANPR checks: The PPSCoP requires operators who use ANPR to run manual quality control checks to detect orphan images and multiple visits. If they failed to do that, the data request to DVLA was unlawfully made off the back of unreliable ANPR evidence.

c) Consideration/grace time: camera “gate to gate” timestamps overstate the true “period of parking”, because time is needed to enter, read signs and leave.

d) Signage: ambiguity is read against the operator. “30 minutes maximum stay” with no “no return” term does not ban two separate short drop-offs.

Your options, simply:

A) Pay and finish it. Fast, no further hassle.
B) Fight it. Reasonable prospects if you can show multiple short visits and the lack of a “no return” term. Ignore debt-collector letters. Only engage with the operator/its solicitors, a Letter of Claim, or an actual county court claim.

What to do now if you wish to fight

a) Send a Subject Access Request to PESS (and copy PCS). Ask for full ANPR logs for your number plate for each date, all images, camera locations/IDs, and the internal check they performed for orphan images/multiple visits. Ask for copies of every letter/email, together with send logs/metadata, and site photographs of the signage current at the time. Tell them to place the account on hold for 30 days while they comply.

b) Send a short complaint to PESS saying you were abroad from 24 July to 28 August (attach proof), you never received the alleged 14 July rejection email, and the undated copy they later sent does not prove it was transmitted. Ask them either to cancel or to issue a fresh POPLA code as fair ADR.

c) Ask the landowner/site managing agent to cancel as a discretionary cancellation. Attach your Google Location Timeline for the one date you have, explain there were multiple short drop-offs/pick-ups, and state that the sign contains no “no return” term.

d) Gather evidence now for both dates: export Google Location History if available; keep any receipts, dashcam files, school/nursery timing records, or witnesses.

DVLA and complaints
If the ANPR was not quality-checked for orphan images, the “reasonable cause” to get keeper data is in doubt. You can raise a complaint to the DVLA and, if needed, to the ICO, on the basis that inaccurate ANPR processing led to your data being used to pursue a charge that appears to arise from a missed multiple-visit check. Keep this proportional: it supports your position but does not itself cancel the charge.

If a Letter of Claim or a court claim arrives
Do not ignore either. You would defend on the merits: two short visits are not a single overstay, the sign allows separate visits, the operator failed to carry out the required ANPR quality controls, the camera times are not the parking period, and any added “debt recovery” add-on is not recoverable. If it reached a hearing and you lost, there is no lasting CCJ if you pay within one calendar month.

If you can evidence two separate short visits (ideally on both dates) and the operator’s logs show more than one entry/exit, fighting is sensible. If you cannot assemble evidence for the second ticket and want zero hassle, paying may be the pragmatic option.

Of course, if it were me, I’d fight it all the way.
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: jfollows on September 03, 2025, 12:53:49 pm
These companies’ only source of income is from what you call fines.
Regardless of identifying the driver, you tell them you’re not paying because of their failure to correctly correlate entry and exits. They’ll probably start court proceedings but you’ll get advice here and of course ultimately it will come to nothing.

They’re as much a fine as if I were to invoice you for mowing your neighbour’s lawn. You wouldn’t pay me under those circumstances, would you?
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: AC PCN Battersea Reach on September 03, 2025, 12:39:52 pm
Please tell us that you didn’t blab the drivers identity when you appealed!

Their Notice to Keeper is not PoFA compliant which means there can be no Keeper liability. They have no idea of the drivers identity unless the Keeper blabs it, inadvertently or otherwise.

Without the drivers identity, which the Keeper is under no legal obligation reveal to an unregulated private parking firm, they have no way of pursuing the charge.

So, has the drivers identity been revealed to them?

Yes, I Wrote to them saying I was the driver in my appeal as the pcn came under my husband's name. I didn't know any better- I really naively thought if I showed them proof that I was there for less than the stipulated time limit, they would cancel the fine.
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: b789 on September 03, 2025, 12:24:10 pm
Please tell us that you didn’t blab the drivers identity when you appealed!

Their Notice to Keeper is not PoFA compliant which means there can be no Keeper liability. They have no idea of the drivers identity unless the Keeper blabs it, inadvertently or otherwise.

Without the drivers identity, which the Keeper is under no legal obligation reveal to an unregulated private parking firm, they have no way of pursuing the charge.

So, has the drivers identity been revealed to them?
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: AC PCN Battersea Reach on September 02, 2025, 08:50:38 pm
The parking fine came from PCS- parking collection service but the original private land had the board with PES signage. I have added dropbox links to my documents and updated my text.
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: jfollows on September 02, 2025, 08:06:20 pm
“PCS”?
Title: Re: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: jfollows on September 02, 2025, 07:57:23 pm
They’re not fines, they’re speculative invoices.

Ignore debt collectors and their letters, do not respond in any way.

You’re too late for POPLA, no big deal.

Please post any paperwork you have, it will only help you here if you do.

However essentially you tell them to get lost, you won’t pay them a penny and you’ll see them in court.

It’s likely that they’ll go through the process of taking you to court but discontinue before paying the court fee, because it’s what lots of them do.

Otherwise you’ll win in court anyway, just ensure you have your evidence.

Wait for a Letter of Claim and come back here if/when you do.

Most of these companies ‘threaten’ court to frighten you into paying up. It costs them a few pounds but their victims pay them Ł100.
Title: PES Battersea Reach- less than 30mins stay but received pcn
Post by: AC PCN Battersea Reach on September 02, 2025, 07:38:43 pm
I received 2 parking fines from PCS(Parking Collection Service) for staying above their 30mins limit a week apart. I did not stay either day for 30mins every time I visited. I did visit multiple times in the day to drop off and pick up my children. I have Google maps location time stamp for one date which proves that I was there continuously only for 23 minutes ( the PCN was issued through Anpr camera system). I used this evidence for my appeal. The problem now is that this company claims that they sent me a rejection letter email on the 14thJuly which I never received. I sent them an email on the 6th Aug in-between asking for an update but didn't receive an answer. I was abroad from 24thJuly to 28th August. They have now sent me a debt collection letter. I requested popla for a late appeal due to being abroad but they have rejected this. I managed to call them to get a copy of the rejection letter which they have sent to me but without any date stamps to prove that they did indeed send it on the day they claimed. What are my options now? Should I fight this in court or just pay the hefty amount and get on with it? I am thinking that they are counting my other drop off of the day too in the time allowed even though the sign just mentions 30mins without specifications. Any advice?
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https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/25gy6ncn1rwju5502v0z7/rejection-letter-1.png?rlkey=x78a8pnsj3712att6e3jynx9h&st=qf9mj906&dl=0

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