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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: hammertime on August 20, 2025, 03:03:29 pm

Title: Re: PCN stopped in a loading bay, red route, TFL, o/s 93-95 Upper Clapton Road E5
Post by: Incandescent on August 21, 2025, 10:10:21 am

Quote from: hammertime on August 21, 2025, 07:32:54 am

Looking closer at the images TFL have provided, it looks like the sign is maybe pointing towards the shops?

That may be so, but only you can tell us as last GSV view is 2024, I think.

Title: Re: PCN stopped in a loading bay, red route, TFL, o/s 93-95 Upper Clapton Road E5
Post by: hammertime on August 21, 2025, 07:32:54 am

Looking closer at the images TFL have provided, it looks like the sign is maybe pointing towards the shops?

Title: Re: PCN stopped in a loading bay, red route, TFL, o/s 93-95 Upper Clapton Road E5
Post by: hammertime on August 21, 2025, 07:31:23 am

Thanks for your reply.

So I've now read that the signs on red routes don't actually run parallel to the road (where you intuitively look for them) but actually face the traffic (perpendicular to road), so once you've pulled up the signs aren't very obvious. So annoying, try your best to find a loading bay and still get done.

In the pictures provided the sign was maybe there, you can maybe see the back of it. Do their images not need to show the front of the sign though? I recently had this with Hackney council, they made a lot of effort in proving I drove through school street signs, not realising I had a permit to go through them. One fight after another driving in London!

Thanks again. 

Title: Re: PCN stopped in a loading bay, red route, TFL, o/s 93-95 Upper Clapton Road E5
Post by: Incandescent on August 20, 2025, 07:55:51 pm

Sign was there in October 2024 :-
https://maps.app.goo.gl/vah57hXHUPdw3EAKA
But whether it is still there, or turned round so it's not visible to a moving vehicle only you can tell us.

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I've also read these fines are maybe unenforceable by CCTV recording?

'Fraid not. TfL took London Tribunals to the High COurt and got a judgement in their favour.

Title: Re: PCN stopped in a loading bay, red route, TFL, o/s 93-95 Upper Clapton Road E5
Post by: hammertime on August 20, 2025, 03:07:37 pm

Sorry, Images here
https://imgur.com/a/KWoWQ4M

Title: PCN stopped in a loading bay, red route, TFL, o/s 93-95 Upper Clapton Road E5
Post by: hammertime on August 20, 2025, 03:03:29 pm

Hi

I had stopped in a marked loading bay to unload something from my van on a red route. TFL have said there is: "No stopping on any day 8am-7pm Except 10am-4pm", I was there 16:17-16:18 however I'm almost certain there was no visible sign there while I was there and its certainly not visible in their cctv footage.

I've also read these fines are maybe unenforceable by CCTV recording?

I have already appealed saying there was no visible sign but they rejected it.

I have until 26/08/2025 to pay.

https://imgur.com/a/HEd6XZi

https://maps.app.goo.gl/9K9Bfqb6KXQXFy7g9

Thanks for your help