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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: laxmi731 on August 19, 2025, 05:30:59 pm

Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: b789 on September 19, 2025, 11:43:32 am
You have redacted the name of the person who signed the N1SDT claim form. The signature and name of the person signing any document in the litigation process should be left unrelated. Whilst we know that your N1SDT form was probably signed by Sarah Ensall, please do not redact any names/signatures on any further documents you are asked to show us.

Also, you never showed us the LoC. Who is the signatory on the LoC?
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: laxmi731 on September 19, 2025, 09:55:07 am
Done !
Many thanks once again for your guidance and advice.
Much appreciated
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: b789 on September 16, 2025, 11:48:50 am
With an issue date of 9th September you have until 4pm on Monday 29th September to submit your defence. If you submit an Acknowledgement of Service (AoS) before then, you would then have until 4pm on Monday 13th October to submit your defence.

You only need to submit an AoS if you need extra time to prepare your defence. If you want to submit an AoS then follow the instructions in this linked PDF:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xvqu3bask5m0zir/money-claim-online-How-to-Acknowledge.pdf?dl=0

Until very recently, we never advised using the MCOL to submit a defence. However, due to recent systemic failures within the CNBC, we feel that it is safer to now submit a short defence using MCOL as it is instantly submitted and entered into the "system". Whilst it will deny the use of some formatting or inclusion of transcripts etc. these can always be included with the Witness Statement (WS) later, if it ever progresses that far.

You will need to copy and paste it into the defence text box on MCOL. It has been checked to make sure that it will fit into the 122 lines limit.

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1. The Defendant denies the claim in its entirety. The Defendant asserts that there is no liability to the Claimant and that no debt is owed. The claim is without merit and does not adequately disclose any comprehensible cause of action.

2. There is a lack of precise detail in the Particulars of Claim (PoC) in respect of the factual and legal allegations made against the Defendant such that the PoC do not adequately comply with CPR 16.4.

3. The Defendant is unable to plead properly to the PoC because:

(a) The contract referred to is not detailed or attached to the PoC in accordance with PD 16, para 7.3(1);

(b) The PoC do not state the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract (or contracts) which is/are relied on;

(c) The PoC do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts the defendant has breached the contract (or contracts);

(d) The PoC do not state with sufficient particularity exactly where the breach occurred, the exact time when the breach occurred and how long it is alleged that the vehicle was parked before the parking charge was allegedly incurred;

(e) The PoC do not state precisely how the sum claimed is calculated, including the basis for any statutory interest, damages, or other charges;

(f) The PoC do not state what proportion of the claim is the parking charge and what proportion is damages;

(g) The PoC do not provide clarity on whether the Defendant is sued as the driver or the keeper of the vehicle, as the claimant cannot plead alternative causes of action without specificity.

4. The Defendant submits that courts have previously struck out materially similar claims of their own initiative for failure to adequately comply with CPR 16.4, particularly where the Particulars of Claim failed to specify the contractual terms relied upon or explain the alleged breach with sufficient clarity.

5. In comparable cases involving modest sums, judges have found that requiring further case management steps would be disproportionate and contrary to the overriding objective. Accordingly, strike-out was deemed appropriate. The Defendant submits that the same reasoning applies in this case and invites the court to adopt a similar approach by striking out the claim due to the Claimant’s failure to adequately comply with CPR 16.4, rather than permitting an amendment. The Defendant proposes that the following Order be made:

Draft Order:

Of the Court's own initiative and upon reading the particulars of claim and the defence.

AND the court being of the view that the particulars of claim do not adequately comply with CPR 16.4(1)(a) because: (a) they do not set out the exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract which is (or are) relied on; and (b) they do not adequately set out the reason (or reasons) why the claimant asserts that the defendant was in breach of contract.

AND the claimant could have complied with CPR 16.4(1)(a) had it served separate detailed particulars of claim, as it could have done pursuant to PD 7C, para 5.2, but chose not to do so.

AND upon the Court determining, having regard to the overriding objective (CPR 1.1), that it would be disproportionate to direct further pleadings or to allot any further share of the Court’s resources to this claim (for example by ordering further particulars of claim and a further defence, with consequent case management).

ORDER:

1. The claim is struck out.

2. Permission to either party to apply to set aside, vary or stay this order by application on notice, which must be filed at this Court not more than 7 days after service of this order, failing which no such application may be made.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: jfollows on September 16, 2025, 09:09:10 am
Yes, but you should obscure the claim number and the password.
Already done I see.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: DWMB2 on September 16, 2025, 09:08:54 am
Thanks - we only need to see the front page - for ease here it is:

(https://i.imgur.com/zXuwpXq.jpeg)
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: DWMB2 on September 15, 2025, 08:03:39 pm
You do not need to download Imgur. You can visit https://imgur.com/upload (https://imgur.com/upload) using your phone's browser.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: laxmi731 on September 15, 2025, 07:55:32 pm
Thank you for your reply but I simply do not know how to download Imgur and then download the photos. I think I am resigned to paying the fine because this is taking a toll on my mental health. I am frightened of getting a CCJ.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: laxmi731 on September 15, 2025, 07:52:40 pm
Thank you for trying to help me but I cannot download Imgur to upload my photos. I am not very good at tech. I think I am resigned to paying the fine because I do not want a CCJ.

What else can I do ?
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: DWMB2 on September 15, 2025, 07:08:12 pm
Take a photo with your phone, and use a site like Imgur to upload a photo of the same.

There's a guide here - READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: laxmi731 on September 15, 2025, 07:04:49 pm
My apologies but I simply do not know how to send the court documents electronically to you. Can you advice ?
I have a PC and a smart phone but no scanner.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: DWMB2 on September 14, 2025, 03:36:19 pm
Please show us.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: laxmi731 on September 14, 2025, 03:25:34 pm
I have received a letter from HM Courts & Tribunal Service for a response to the claim ( gone upto £ 219.28 ) Please advice
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: laxmi731 on August 21, 2025, 08:57:04 am
Thank you very much for such a positive reply. I feel invigorated.
Will inform you of any replies from them.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: b789 on August 20, 2025, 05:21:39 pm
Why on earth would you want to send a hard copy by snail mail? Email is instant and you have notice of delivery and proof of having sent it. It doesn't cost you postage, you don't have to waste paper and you don't have to schlep out and find a post box.

In short, don't ever use snail mail unless there is absolutely no other option.

That NtK does not even state a cause of action on it. It's a joke. It is an invoice that says, you owe us money without giving a cause.

When they issue the claim, come back and we will give you the instructions on how to acknowledge it and a defence to sue. If you follow the advice, you will not be paying a penny to anyone for this. I can say with greater than 99% certainty that this will either be struck out or discontinued.

Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: laxmi731 on August 20, 2025, 03:56:59 pm
Sent off reply as advised by email
Should I put a hard copy in the post as well ?

Kiran
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: laxmi731 on August 20, 2025, 03:45:28 pm
As requested NTK - all 3 pages
Thank you
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: b789 on August 20, 2025, 02:13:52 pm
Please post an image of the Notice to Keeper (NtK) associated with this claim. Show both sides of the NtK and do not redact any dates or times from it.

Reply to the Letter of Claim (LoC) with the following:

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Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places reliance upon and thus is in complete contravention of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

As a firm of supposed solicitors, one would expect you to be capable of crafting a letter that aligns with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions do not exist for decoration—they exist to facilitate informed discussion and proportionate resolution. You might wish to reacquaint yourselves with them.

The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols (Part 3), stipulate that prior to proceedings, parties should have exchanged sufficient information to understand each other’s position. Part 6 helpfully clarifies that this includes disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.

Your template letter mentions a “contract”, yet fails to provide one. This would appear to undermine the only foundation upon which your client’s claim allegedly rests. It’s difficult to engage in meaningful pre-litigation dialogue when your side declines to furnish the very document it purports to enforce.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with the requirements of para 3.1 (a) of the Pre-Action Protocol, I shall then seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required by the Protocol. Thus, I require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) that confirms any PoFA 2012 liability
2. A copy of the contract (or contracts) you allege exists between your client and the driver, in the form of an actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date, not a generic stock image
3. The exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract(s) which is (are) relied upon that you allege to have been breached
4. The written agreement between your client and the landowner, establishing authority to enforce
5. A breakdown of the charges claimed, identifying whether the principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and whether the £70 “debt recovery” fee includes VAT

I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).

If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: DWMB2 on August 20, 2025, 10:24:32 am
You posted less than 24 hours ago, be patient. If everyone bumped their thread every 2 hours this forum would be unmanageable.
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: laxmi731 on August 20, 2025, 10:13:11 am
Any help appreciated
Thanks
Title: Re: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: laxmi731 on August 20, 2025, 08:58:05 am
I haven't had a reply to this.
Am I doing this correctly ?
Title: DCB Legal letter of claim
Post by: laxmi731 on August 19, 2025, 05:30:59 pm
I have recently received this letter of claim plus an email with attached PCN notice which I cannot remember ( but is possible ) because it is from April 2022 on my previous car.
Can you please advice on how I respond to this.
PCN ref A64439