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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: LondonTraveller84 on August 19, 2025, 05:13:34 pm
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On the basis of what's known, +1.
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I think you did the right thing paying.
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Rejection dated 22 Sept. Deemed served 24th. 14 days beginning with the date of service is 7 October.
As it was received via email, I was advised that the day served counts as Day 1, thus making yesterday the last day, correct me if this advice and understanding for email notices is incorrect?
Please see attached the images and PCN, and yes I am the registered keeper/owner.
https://ibb.co/VY12GKXv
https://ibb.co/twHyrF0F
https://ibb.co/QqPSYTD
https://ibb.co/TxXQTsw5
https://ibb.co/1GRmZSH2
Although having weighed the probability of winning the appeal on the grounds we were initially looking at and panicking with the deadline, I unfortunately paid the discounted rate as it still showed £80 even though it had past midnight :/. - In hindsight I really wanted to fight this one, it would still be good to see what your opinion is based on the evidence and the reason we were considering for future refence, if you believe I made the right decision or we could have had a shot.
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Rejection dated 22 Sept. Deemed served 24th. 14 days beginning with the date of service is 7 October.
Where is the PCN itself pl and are you the registered keeper with current DVLA details?
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Slight nudge if anyone wants to give their take on it, before I bite the bullet and pay the discounted rate as I believe today is the last day.
Uploaded the PCN images, in relation to the case, only one image shows a sign in the far distance across the road, otherwise no other image shows the car with the sign thats adjacent to it.
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I appealed as advised stating that there is no sufficient evidence.
They've come back with the below, which is waht I anticipated they would.
https://ibb.co/YTJr8zd5
https://ibb.co/xq50TqYz
I am not sure if there is a leg to stand on, as the signage is directly infront of where the car was parked, while the CEOs pictures do not show this, it would not be difficult for the council to take a photo showing the signage in relation to the car.
Hippocrates. You mentioned case YS 05292C which was overturned with similar reasons, however while some similarities, the key factor was the council sent in new images with signage but failed to show it in relation to the where the car was parked, had they done this the case would not have been overturned. Redbridge council have already stated where the car was parked and mentioned there was a sign directly adjacent to it, all they'll have to do is send a photo or even a GSV which is easily done in the follow up appeal, which would show the distance and relation between the two?
Also surely it can be argued that the owness is on me to look for the nearest sign/machine, seeing as there are clearly marked bays, otherwise everyone can just park and walk away pleading ignornace to a sign?
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What does their photo evidence show?
My car parked in a bay with a lampost showign the P&D and Permit holder signage
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What does their photo evidence show?
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I am living at the address in the zone, however most of this year I have been away for work a lot.
Having calculated it potentially could work out financially better in the interim to use visitor permits until I'm back fully then eventually switching back to resident permit again. Before it wasn't too bad, a permit would be free or at maximum £100, now I pay around £330+ as Newham charge on additional cars at the household, and emission based charging on permits, constant money making :(
So I guess as it stands no leg to stand on and I should just pay?
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Be careful as you may have been lucky not to get towed.
Also, are you not living at the address in the zone?
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It's been 2 and half months since the permit expired.
I had assumed it was still valid as we were deciding wether going forward we renew the permit or just use vistor permits ad-hoc as we do not park in the area as often as we used to. As we had parked in the same zone on a number of recent occasions without any issues, this automatically further aided the assumption in my mind the permit is still valid - I can only assume these recent trips would have been outside of RPZ, otherwise would have received a ticket much earlier.
It didn't register and my memory slipped, as did the task of deciding what approach we take on going forward - so a genuine forgetfull moment
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When did the permit expire. 'Months' is too long to argue for lower level invalid permit contravention.
Why did you think the permit was still active/renewed.
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All,
Don't think theres a way out for this, think I'll have to take the £80 hit.
I parked in a resident permit parking zone for which I have a permit for, however on return I had a PCN. Basically the permit had expired few months ago, I thought the permit was still active/renewed hence parked.
See attached,
Regards