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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: fml12 on August 14, 2025, 12:41:27 pm

Title: Re: SMART Parking PCN for parking at Mercury Hotel Leicester
Post by: DWMB2 on November 11, 2025, 12:38:54 pm
Are you certain we can win this?
If you pay, you are certain to lose.

Nobody can provide you any guarantees, but we do have a very decent win rate. If the worst happened and you did lose, the amount you would ultimately likely owe wouldn't be much more than they are ow demanding. If you win, the amount you owe is £0.
Title: Re: SMART Parking PCN for parking at Mercury Hotel Leicester
Post by: fml12 on November 11, 2025, 12:01:11 pm
Hi, just to update to on the situation.
I didn’t end up appealing with the IAS as I missed the deadline.
I’ve received a debt recovery letter in the post. I’ve attached a photo of it below.

https://ibb.co/k2mgFDm0
https://ibb.co/nsm6pnqy

It’s starting to really stress me out now.
Are you certain we can win this?
Title: Re: SMART Parking PCN for parking at Mercury Hotel Leicester
Post by: b789 on September 18, 2025, 09:13:48 am
Yes, but it is now going to be a protracted affair as they will take this all the way to a county court claim. However, if you follow the advice, you will not be paying a penny to (not so) Smart Parking.

You can appeal to the IAS, just p!ss off (not so) Smart Parking as they will have to pay for the appeal if they don't concede it. The IAS is almost certainly not going to accept any appeal for this. It is a kangaroo court anyway. Any IAS adjudication is not binding on the appellant.

You will then start receiving a load of useless debt recovery letters. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and intimidate the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.

Eventually, you will receive a Letter of Claim (LoC) and subsequently an actual claim. We will advise on how to respond to the LoC and provide the suitable defence. In due course, the claim will either be struck out or discontinued just before they have to pay the £27 trial fee.

Come back when you receive the LoC which will be from DCB Legal (not DCBL who are powerless debt collectors).
Title: Re: SMART Parking PCN for parking at Mercury Hotel Leicester
Post by: fml12 on September 17, 2025, 10:13:30 pm
Eeek! 😬
Is there any way I can salvage this?
Title: Re: SMART Parking PCN for parking at Mercury Hotel Leicester
Post by: b789 on September 17, 2025, 07:29:30 pm
Bang! Both feet proverbially blown off with a single shot. "I did this or that" instead of "the driver did this or that" is an inadvertent blab of the drivers identity!
Title: Re: SMART Parking PCN for parking at Mercury Hotel Leicester
Post by: fml12 on September 17, 2025, 06:30:20 pm
I’m the registered keeper but they were trying to do something nice for me whilst I was at work. I’ve managed to find the message:

The payment machines were not working on the site, so I used the online parking website that was suggested on the wall to pay for my parking. The website is ringgo.co.uk .
I made 4 payments. Each for one hour. So each time the parking time expired I went and paid for another hour. This is because I was not sure how long I was going to stay at the location. On some occasions my internet connection was not working which resulted in me taking longer to renew the parking time.
Title: Re: SMART Parking PCN for parking at Mercury Hotel Leicester
Post by: DWMB2 on September 17, 2025, 10:11:25 am
I suggest you simply use the second response I gave you in reply #2 to the IAS.
But please answer b789's questions before you do. An appeal that begins with "The driver has not been identified" would not be ideal if the driver has indeed been identified.
Title: Re: SMART Parking PCN for parking at Mercury Hotel Leicester
Post by: b789 on September 17, 2025, 09:57:37 am
Sigh! What did your partner put in the appeal? I'm assuming they appealed because they are the registered keeper to whom the PCN is addressed. Is that correct?

Did they identify the driver? This most often done because the appellant blabs it inadvertently by saying things such as "I did this and that" rather than just referring to the driver int he third person such as "the driver did this and that".

Whilst your partner may not have kept a copy of whatever they put in their appeal, they must surely know whether they referred to themself as the driver or not. Did they select any option on the appeals portal that says they were the driver or did they only select options that say "Keeper" or "Other"?

The single, most important point you have to win this, is by not identifying the driver. If they don't know who the driver is, they cannot do anything about it, no matter how much they say otherwise in their responses.

I suggest you simply use the second response I gave you in reply #2 to the IAS.
Title: Re: SMART Parking PCN for parking at Mercury Hotel Leicester
Post by: fml12 on September 16, 2025, 10:59:21 pm
Am I still okay to use this to appeal against them?

The NtK is was not given within the relevant period and therefore is not compliant with PoFA.

It's an easy one to deal with… as long as the unknown drivers identity is not revealed. There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

Quote
I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. Smart Parking has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. Smart have no hope should you refuse this appeal, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

When they reject that, you can appeal to the IAS with the following:

Quote
I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability for this parking charge and appeal in full.

1. The driver has not been identified. The parking operator has chosen not to rely on the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) or has failed to comply with its strict requirements—specifically, the Notice to Keeper was issued on 5 August 2025—17 days after the alleged contravention on 19 July 2025. This means that the notice cannot have been "given" within the relevant period defined in Schedule 4. As such, the operator cannot hold the keeper liable.

As this appeal is made solely in the capacity of the registered keeper, no admission is made as to the identity of the driver, and no assumptions or inferences may be drawn. Smart Parking has alleged a contractual breach by the driver only.

The keeper cannot be presumed to be the driver, nor pursued under any misapplication of agency law. The IAS is not a court and cannot override statutory limitations with speculation. The persuasive appellate decision in VCS Limited v Ian Mark Edward (2023) [H0KF6C9C] confirms that where PoFA conditions are not met and the driver is not identified, the keeper cannot be held liable.

Accordingly, the charge fails at the first hurdle. Irrespective of any alleged contravention, signage, or landowner authority, liability cannot pass to the keeper under statute.

2. Without prejudice to the above, and only in the event that the IAS chooses to ignore the statutory position, I require the operator to provide the following:

Strict proof of a valid, contemporaneous contract or lease flowing from the landowner that authorises the operator to manage parking, issue PCNs, and pursue legal action in its own name. I refer the operator and the IAS assessor to Section 14 of the PPSCoP (Relationship with Landowner), which clearly sets out mandatory minimum requirements that must be evidenced before any parking charge may be issued on controlled land.

In particular, Section 14.1(a)–(j) requires the operator to have in place written confirmation from the landowner which includes:

• the identity of the landowner,
• a boundary map of the land to be managed,
• applicable byelaws,
• the duration and scope of authority granted,
• detailed parking terms and conditions including any specific permissions or exemptions,
• the means of issuing PCNs,
• responsibility for obtaining planning and advertising consents,
• and the operator’s obligations and appeal procedure under the Code.

These requirements are not optional. They are a condition precedent to issuing a PCN and bringing any associated action. Accordingly, I put the operator to strict proof of compliance with the entirety of Section 14 of the PPSCoP. Any document that contains redactions must not obscure the above conditions. The document must also be dated and signed by identifiable persons, with evidence of their authority to act on behalf of the parties to the agreement. The operator must provide an agreement showing clear authorisation from the landowner for this specific site.

3. Strict proof that the enforcement mechanism (e.g. ANPR or manual patrol) is reliable, synchronised, maintained, and calibrated regularly. The operator must prove the vehicle was present for the full duration alleged and not simply momentarily on site, potentially within a permitted consideration or grace period as defined by the PPSCoP.

4. The IAS claims that its assessors are “qualified solicitors or barristers.” Yet there is no way to verify this. Decisions are unsigned, anonymised, and unpublished. There is no transparency, no register of assessors, and no way for a motorist to assess the legal credibility of the individual supposedly adjudicating their appeal. If the person reading this really is legally qualified, they will know that without strict proof of landowner authority (VCS v HMRC [2013] EWCA Civ 186), no claim can succeed. They will also know that clear and prominent signage is a prerequisite for contract formation (ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67), and that keeper liability under PoFA is only available where strict statutory conditions are met.[/indent]

If the assessor chooses to overlook these legal requirements and accept vague assertions or redacted documents from the operator, that will speak for itself—and lend further weight to the growing concern that this appeals service is neither independent nor genuinely legally qualified.

In short, I dispute this charge in its entirety and require full evidence of compliance with the law, industry codes of practice, and basic contractual principles.
Title: Re: SMART Parking PCN for parking at Mercury Hotel Leicester
Post by: fml12 on September 16, 2025, 10:57:46 pm
Sent on 1/9/2025 by Smart Parking Ltd:

Thank you for your recent communication.
Having considered your appeal in detail we have decided to uphold the Parking Charge (PC) as we
believe that it was correctly issued in accordance with the terms and conditions advertised within the
area concerned. As your appeal was received within the initial discount period, we have extended the
discount period until 17/09/2025.
We note the comments made within your appeal; however, we cannot rescind the PC on this basis. We
wish to confirm that the contravention of insufficient paid time occurred as our system confirms that
whilst 240 were purchased against Vehicle Registration Mark (VRM)
»your vehicle remained
on site for 261 minutes. The signage onsite clearly informs motorist that they are required to purchase
a valid ticket for the full duration of their vehicles stay onsite. Furthermore, additional time can be
purchased at any point during throughout your vehicles stay, before exiting the car park.
We wish to inform that the car park in question is operated by ANPR cameras system which captures
images of your vehicle entering and exiting the site, which subsequently calculates your total stay
duration. This information is then paired with the information entered into the payment
machine/alternate payment option, to establish whether or not the correct payment has been made
against the full and correct vehicle registration for the total duration the vehicle is on site - this is
calculated from the time of entrance to the time of exit.
As the vehicle was on site in excess of the parking time purchased and no valid additional payments
were made to cover the entire parking duration, we wish to advise that the advertised Terms and
Conditions were breached. Subsequently the PC has been issued correctly. The Terms and Conditions
of the car park are clearly advertised around the site and must be adhered to by all drivers.
You have now reached the end of our internal appeals procedure and therefore you now have two
options, you can pay or appeal further with IAS
- you cannot do both.
The Appellant has the right to appeal to an Independent Appeals Service, (IAS) using the instructions
below. Please note, should you decide to appeal to the IAS, and your appeal is subsequently rejected,
the option to pay a discounted amount will no longer be available and the full amount of the PC will be
due.
If the appellant decides to appeal to the IAS, they will need to visit the website, https://www.theias.org/
where further details of how to appeal can be found. The appellant has 28 days from the date of this
letter to submit an appeal to lAS.

Alternatively, your 3 payment options are:
By Post: Please send a cheque or postal order (payable to Smart Parking Ltd) to Smart Parking
Ltd, Unit 43, Elmdon Trading Estate, Bickenhill Lane, Marston Green, Birmingham B37
7HE.
By Web: To make a payment online with a debit or credit card, please visit
www.smartparking.com and have your Parking Charge number to hand.
By Phone: Pay via our 24 hour automated telephone payment service on 0330 057 6230.
Please have your Parking Charge number to hand. Please note that calls to this number cost
up to 7p per minute, plus your phone company's access charge
Yours sincerely,
Smart Parking Limited
Title: Re: SMART Parking PCN for parking at Mercury Hotel Leicester
Post by: fml12 on September 16, 2025, 10:46:51 pm
Hi, thanks for your reply. My partner appealed the charge before I could use your response. They appealed with the same explanation I gave here, but I couldn’t get a copy of what they wrote so I don’t know what wording they used. I’ve attached the PCN company response.(https://imgur.com/a/vP73Ln6)
Title: Re: SMART Parking PCN for parking at Mercury Hotel Leicester
Post by: b789 on August 14, 2025, 02:29:52 pm
The NtK is was not given within the relevant period and therefore is not compliant with PoFA.

It's an easy one to deal with… as long as the unknown drivers identity is not revealed. There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

Quote
I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner.

As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. Smart Parking has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. Smart have no hope should you refuse this appeal, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

When they reject that, you can appeal to the IAS with the following:

Quote
I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability for this parking charge and appeal in full.

1. The driver has not been identified. The parking operator has chosen not to rely on the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA) or has failed to comply with its strict requirements—specifically, the Notice to Keeper was issued on 5 August 2025—17 days after the alleged contravention on 19 July 2025. This means that the notice cannot have been "given" within the relevant period defined in Schedule 4. As such, the operator cannot hold the keeper liable.

As this appeal is made solely in the capacity of the registered keeper, no admission is made as to the identity of the driver, and no assumptions or inferences may be drawn. Smart Parking has alleged a contractual breach by the driver only.

The keeper cannot be presumed to be the driver, nor pursued under any misapplication of agency law. The IAS is not a court and cannot override statutory limitations with speculation. The persuasive appellate decision in VCS Limited v Ian Mark Edward (2023) [H0KF6C9C] confirms that where PoFA conditions are not met and the driver is not identified, the keeper cannot be held liable.

Accordingly, the charge fails at the first hurdle. Irrespective of any alleged contravention, signage, or landowner authority, liability cannot pass to the keeper under statute.

2. Without prejudice to the above, and only in the event that the IAS chooses to ignore the statutory position, I require the operator to provide the following:

Strict proof of a valid, contemporaneous contract or lease flowing from the landowner that authorises the operator to manage parking, issue PCNs, and pursue legal action in its own name. I refer the operator and the IAS assessor to Section 14 of the PPSCoP (Relationship with Landowner), which clearly sets out mandatory minimum requirements that must be evidenced before any parking charge may be issued on controlled land.

In particular, Section 14.1(a)–(j) requires the operator to have in place written confirmation from the landowner which includes:

• the identity of the landowner,
• a boundary map of the land to be managed,
• applicable byelaws,
• the duration and scope of authority granted,
• detailed parking terms and conditions including any specific permissions or exemptions,
• the means of issuing PCNs,
• responsibility for obtaining planning and advertising consents,
• and the operator’s obligations and appeal procedure under the Code.

These requirements are not optional. They are a condition precedent to issuing a PCN and bringing any associated action. Accordingly, I put the operator to strict proof of compliance with the entirety of Section 14 of the PPSCoP. Any document that contains redactions must not obscure the above conditions. The document must also be dated and signed by identifiable persons, with evidence of their authority to act on behalf of the parties to the agreement. The operator must provide an agreement showing clear authorisation from the landowner for this specific site.

3. Strict proof that the enforcement mechanism (e.g. ANPR or manual patrol) is reliable, synchronised, maintained, and calibrated regularly. The operator must prove the vehicle was present for the full duration alleged and not simply momentarily on site, potentially within a permitted consideration or grace period as defined by the PPSCoP.

4. The IAS claims that its assessors are “qualified solicitors or barristers.” Yet there is no way to verify this. Decisions are unsigned, anonymised, and unpublished. There is no transparency, no register of assessors, and no way for a motorist to assess the legal credibility of the individual supposedly adjudicating their appeal. If the person reading this really is legally qualified, they will know that without strict proof of landowner authority (VCS v HMRC [2013] EWCA Civ 186), no claim can succeed. They will also know that clear and prominent signage is a prerequisite for contract formation (ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67), and that keeper liability under PoFA is only available where strict statutory conditions are met.[/indent]

If the assessor chooses to overlook these legal requirements and accept vague assertions or redacted documents from the operator, that will speak for itself—and lend further weight to the growing concern that this appeals service is neither independent nor genuinely legally qualified.

In short, I dispute this charge in its entirety and require full evidence of compliance with the law, industry codes of practice, and basic contractual principles.
Title: Re: SMART Parking PCN for parking at Mercury Hotel Leicester
Post by: RichardW on August 14, 2025, 12:50:10 pm
Are you the registered keeper (not leased or similar)?  If so, you have a get out here as the PCN was not served within 14 days of the alleged contravention so they can't hold you liable under POFA.

Please post the back page of the PCN. 
Title: SMART Parking PCN for parking at Mercury Hotel Leicester
Post by: fml12 on August 14, 2025, 12:41:27 pm
Hello,
Could I please have some advice on how to handle this PCN I received in the post. (Image attached)

The driver parked there at 12:16pm to explore Leicester city centre. The machines in the carpark weren’t working so they paid online using RingGo. They only paid for an hour to begin with as they weren’t planning on staying longer. They renewed the ticket 3 times until they left. The reason there is a delay is because their data wasn’t working properly so it took a while for the website to load.
I have uploaded images of both the PCN and the evidence of the parking tickets the driver paid for. The PCN makes it seem like the parking wasn’t paid for at all.

Any advice??