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Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: txl08 on September 16, 2025, 07:48:11 pm
Your first appeal was rejected because they said it was too late. So you were advised to send a formal complaint, which they are obliged to also treat as an appeal. I drafted it and told you what to do.

Have you sent it or not? Reply #16 refers.

I have sent it as of now. Thanks for your assistance and patience.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: b789 on September 16, 2025, 05:30:10 pm
Your first appeal was rejected because they said it was too late. So you were advised to send a formal complaint, which they are obliged to also treat as an appeal. I drafted it and told you what to do.

Have you sent it or not? Reply #16 refers.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: txl08 on September 16, 2025, 05:21:48 pm
Just to confirm, this is a second appeal I’m sending after they rejected the first one?
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: b789 on September 16, 2025, 12:01:28 pm
In your opinion (until we can see some photos), has ParkingEye complied with this requirement from the PPSCoP section 4 on accessible parking?

In other words... no!

Have you sent the formal complaint to ParkingEye yet?
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: txl08 on September 15, 2025, 09:14:36 pm
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Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: txl08 on September 15, 2025, 09:09:10 pm
In your opinion (until we can see some photos), has ParkingEye complied with this requirement from the PPSCoP section 4 on accessible parking?

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4.1. The parking operator must ensure that at least one sign containing the terms and conditions for parking can be viewed without the driver needing to leave the vehicle, in order for drivers with a disability to be able to make an informed decision on whether to park at the premises.

Photos attached (next post). In my opinion if driving in forwards there are no parking signs visible on the front of the building or from driver's side window. There is a sign on the red hoarding which would be visible if reversing into the bay, although not very prominent with other large signs nearby it.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: b789 on September 15, 2025, 08:33:03 am
In your opinion (until we can see some photos), has ParkingEye complied with this requirement from the PPSCoP section 4 on accessible parking?

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4.1. The parking operator must ensure that at least one sign containing the terms and conditions for parking can be viewed without the driver needing to leave the vehicle, in order for drivers with a disability to be able to make an informed decision on whether to park at the premises.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: txl08 on September 14, 2025, 11:45:34 pm
No, just one pcn.
When parked there are no signs in front or to the side of the vehicle. There is one on the temporary fence/barrier behind the vehicle, that imo can be easily missed. Will add photos tomorrow.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: b789 on September 14, 2025, 02:47:09 pm
Is this for 4 PCNs? Can you show us any photos of the actual signs that are visible from within the vehicle when parked in one of those bays?

Reply to ParkingEye with the following (and CC yourself):

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Subject: Formal Complaint & Appeal – PCN [PCN ref] – Cockhedge (Rear Visitor)

Dear Complaints Team,

I write as the registered keeper.

This remains a formal complaint which, under Section 11.2 of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), must also be treated as an appeal and handled to the Clause 8.4 timescales. If you disagree, please identify the precise PPSCoP wording that permits you to refuse to treat a complaint as an appeal.

1. NtK service and contradictory dates

Your email claims first “postal correspondence” was issued on 16/07/2025, yet I hold a ParkingEye “Reminder” dated 25/06/2025. Please reconcile these inconsistent dates and provide strict proof of posting for the original NtK (e.g. Royal Mail certificate/manifest). Without admissible posting evidence within PoFA Sch 4 para 9(5)’s 14-day window, keeper liability fails.

2. Disability & failure to make reasonable adjustments (Equality Act 2010; PPSCoP Sections 4.1–4.2)

A disabled occupant was set down/collected from a disabled bay late evening. No readable terms or terminal were visible from the bay/approach, and your system expects a VRM entry in a remote “reception”. Please disclose:

• A dated, scaled site plan showing every sign and the terminal location relative to the disabled bays used;
• Dated approach/bay-eye photos showing exactly what is visible from that bay;
• Your disability adjustments at this site (e.g. low-level in-bay terms, alternative registration methods, additional time/assistance).

3. Unclear allegation & “0 hours 0 minutes”

Your paperwork states a charge applies for remaining longer than a “0 hours 0 minutes” max stay and also lists multiple possible breach reasons (overstay/no payment/no VRM in reception). Identify the single allegation relied upon and the exact term allegedly breached. A “0:00” max stay is void for uncertainty and, if not actually on the signs, your notice is misleading contrary to the CRA 2015 transparency requirements.

4. Forbidding signage/patrons-only window

You say “parking is for Buzz Bingo patrons only between Mon–Sat 6pm–2am” and that patrons must enter their VRM to obtain a 3-hour permit. If the sign is truly prohibitive to non-patrons, it makes no contractual offer to them. If the driver was a permitted user, then the issue is signage/terminal accessibility and disability adjustments; if not, your claim sounds in trespass (not a contractual charge). Please provide the exact sign wording relied upon.

Given the above, please cancel. Failing that, as required by PPSCoP 11.2/8.4, issue a POPLA verification code within 7 days of this letter. Any continued refusal to treat this as an appeal or to supply a POPLA code will be raised with the BPA and DVLA as a Code breach, and relied upon as unreasonable conduct under CPR 27.14.

Yours faithfully,

[Name]

[Postal address]
[Email]
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: txl08 on September 14, 2025, 12:56:21 pm
On the subject of being outside the 28 days for appealing, appeal was submitted on 15 August. The only pcn received was the reminder letter dated 25 July, stating date of event 12 July and ‘date issued’ 16 July.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: txl08 on September 14, 2025, 12:51:22 pm
This is what they have said:
The signage displayed throughout Cockhedge Shopping Centre - Rear Visitor car park states that parking is for Buzz Bingo patrons only between Monday and Saturday, 6pm – 2 am. Buzz Bingo patrons are instructed to enter their full, correct vehicle registration into the terminal at reception on arrival to obtain a 3-hour parking permit.  The signage also states that all terms and conditions apply to Blue Badge holders.

 

After reviewing our records, we are unable to locate any vehicle registration that matches or is similar to vehicle registration [Reg redacted]. We believe this is due to a major keying error taking place or the vehicle registration not being entered.  The vehicle remained within the car park without being registered for a parking permit, therefore the Parking Charge was incurred.

 

Our records confirm that postal correspondence was issued to the address provided to us by the DVLA on 16/07/2025, 25/07/2025, 19/08/2025 and 03/09/2025. Please see attached copies of the correspondence issued for your records.

 

Our Appeals & Complaints Procedure which can be found on the Parking Charge Notice, explains all appeals submitted be submitted within 28 days of the delivery of the Parking Charge.  As the time frame to submit an appeal has now passed, we are unable to consider any appeals at this stage, and the Parking Charge remains outstanding.

 

Please note, as stated on their website, POPLA is available to motorist with a valid verification code. Verification codes are valid for 28 days after the parking operator has considered your appeal and sent you its outcome. POPLA verification codes are only available to motorists who have appealed the Parking Charge notice within 28 days of receiving it.

 

We would like to highlight that Parkingeye are member of the British Parking Association and operate in line with the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice. All our signage and processes are compliant with the code of practice.  Parkingeye takes its responsibilities under the Equality Act very seriously. We do not discriminate against those falling under the protection of the Act and our services already incorporate many reasonable adjustments, including, for example, offering fair and reasonable consideration and a grace periods.

 

Please be advised that the UK Blue Badge scheme grants specific parking rights, such as ‘up to 3 hours parking’ on public roads. These statutory rights do not extend to private land, such as shopping centres or hospital car parks.

As a gesture of goodwill, on a without prejudice basis, we will reduce the parking charge amount to £60.00 if paid within the next 14 days.

Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: b789 on September 14, 2025, 09:38:37 am
Show us their reason for refusing your appeal.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: txl08 on September 14, 2025, 07:23:48 am
Have had the expected negative response from Parking eye, should I post it here? What is my next move?
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: DWMB2 on August 15, 2025, 06:22:38 pm
Reminder notices are not a mandatory part of the process, so they can in theory send one whenever they wish, or not send one at all.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: b789 on August 15, 2025, 05:00:00 pm
Who knows? They are a law unto themselves, hence the reason for the complaint.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: txl08 on August 15, 2025, 04:53:23 pm
Thanks for the continued advice. I have now submitted the complaint.

Does the fact they sent the 'reminder' so soon - 9 days after date of 'issue' - suggest they never sent the original PCN in the first place? The 14 days allowed to pay the reduced rate hadn't even passed. It definitely wasn't received and the post here is usually pretty reliable.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: DWMB2 on August 14, 2025, 06:02:54 pm
To emphasise the point it might be wise to take a photo from the perspective of a driver who has driving into the space forwards, showing that there isn't a sign directly in front of the space (which would be good practice in a disabled bay).

Whilst nobody can provide reliable odds, I'd agree with b789 that this is more likely to be one of the ones ParkingEye farm out to DCB Legal, in which case the odds of a hearing are very small. They usually only take legal action "in house" when they fancy their chances, which ones imagines they won't in this case.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: b789 on August 14, 2025, 05:35:42 pm
The sign needs to readable from the drivers position. That sign is too far away and behind the expected position of the car.

The odds of that ever actually seeing the inside of a courtroom are less than 1%. If it did, the odds of winning are greater than 90%. If you follow the advice, you won't be paying a penny. You will also get a very valuable life lesson on how to stand up for your (or the drivers) rights and win.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: txl08 on August 14, 2025, 05:11:25 pm
I've had a response from the centre showing signs on the red fencing behind the parking spaces, which I've attached for completeness.

Lastly before I complain can I ask is it likely that this will end up in court? Am I right to presume PE/Popla will reject any complaint/appeal and take me to court? The reason I ask is with the registered keepers health issues taking up enough of my time, I also have ADHD and anxiety which means keeping track of paperwork and meeting deadlines is not my strong point, I'm worried I won't be able to keep on top of it all and end up paying additional costs.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: b789 on August 14, 2025, 01:51:26 pm
I wouldn't worry about it for now. According to GSV, the images from September 2024 show that there were no signs that conform to the requirements of the PPSCoP section 4.1 and 4.2.

Send the complaint to ParkingEye as advised and wait for a response.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: txl08 on August 14, 2025, 01:10:13 pm
Further information about the location and signage:

I have been informed by the general manager of the shopping centre that "after 6pm this car park is for the use of Buzz Bingo Patrons only" and "there are a number of signs in and on the entry to this car park". Images of signs provided have been attached. 3 hours free for bingo patrons, (maybe this explains zero time for non-bingo?)

The location of these signs appears to be as highlighted (yellow) in the plan map view attached. The vehicle was parked in the disabled bays outside the bingo entrance, highlighted (red) in plan and streetview attached. There does not appear to be any signage there, though streetview could be out of date. I have asked the centre manager to send pictures of any signs in this area if he has them.

Streetview of the entrance (yellow arrow) shows a hut, which isn't there now, nor does it appear to be on the plan view, so don't know what signage is there.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: b789 on August 14, 2025, 12:49:49 pm
Unless you have power of attorney or a letter of authority from them to act on their behalf, then just sign it as them.

For ParkingEye, it’s safest and cleanest if this first formal complaint/appeal goes in the registered keeper’s name, signed by them, because:

• They are the one the PCN was issued to.
• PoFA liability (or lack of it) attaches to them, not you.
• ParkingEye is far less likely to try to dodge on “data protection” grounds if it’s from the actual addressee.

If they want you to handle all correspondence going forward — which sounds sensible given their health — then you can add a very short line at the end, like:

“I authorise [Your Name] to act on my behalf in relation to this matter and to correspond with ParkingEye in my place.”

You would still sign it by typing in their name underneath that line.

That way:

The keeper is clearly the complainant/appellant.
You’re formally authorised from the outset, so you can respond to any follow-up without ParkingEye stonewalling.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: txl08 on August 14, 2025, 12:40:16 pm
Thank you so much for that, I will do as advised. Can I just check, should it be signed as if written by the registered keeper, or can (should?) they authorise me to correspond on their behalf, as I said they have health issues and do not need the stress.

I have some more information about the location and signage which I will add in a following post.
Title: Re: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: b789 on August 14, 2025, 11:17:46 am
You need to send a formal complaint to ParkingEye, which they are obliged to also treat as an appeal, user section 11.2 of the PPSCoP.

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Subject: FORMAL COMPLAINT AND APPEAL – Parking Charge [PCN number]

To: Complaints Department, ParkingEye Ltd

Dear Sir/Madam,

This is a formal complaint about the above Parking Charge Notice, issued to me as the registered keeper of vehicle [VRM].
Under Section 11.2 of the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP), any complaint that could also be considered an appeal must be treated as both a complaint and an appeal. If it is treated as an appeal, it must be handled in accordance with the timescales set out in Clause 8.4.

If Clause 8.4 applies, you are also required to issue a POPLA verification code should you reject the appeal, and you are on notice that I will require that code without delay or obstruction.

1. Failure to Serve the Original Notice to Keeper – PoFA Schedule 4 Breach

I did not receive the original Notice to Keeper (NtK). The only correspondence received was a “Reminder” dated 25 June.

Under PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 9(5), you must serve a compliant NtK within 14 days of the alleged contravention if you wish to transfer liability from the driver to the keeper. You are put to strict proof that the NtK was:

• Generated in compliance with PoFA; and
• Actually posted within the statutory timeframe.

The presumption of service under the Interpretation Act 1978 applies only where the sender can prove actual posting. It is a rebuttable presumption, not an automatic shield against challenge.

For clarity:

• Proof of posting is not the same as producing a copy of the NtK from your system.
• Acceptable evidence includes a Royal Mail certificate of posting, a franked mail manifest, or equivalent independent evidence showing the date the item entered the postal system.
• Without such evidence, the presumption of delivery is rebutted and the court must accept that the NtK was not served.
• Any attempt to rely on the tired line “we are not responsible for the postal service” will be rejected outright.

Responsibility for evidencing service lies entirely with you, as the party asserting that service occurred.

2. Disability Discrimination and Breach of PPSCoP Sections 4.1 & 4.2

The driver of the vehicle is a disabled person. You have statutory duties under the Equality Act 2010 to make reasonable adjustments, and you also have binding obligations under PPSCoP sections 4.1 and 4.2 to:

• Ensure at least one sign containing the full parking terms can be viewed without the driver leaving the vehicle.
• Ensure obligations for disabled motorists are prominent, low-placed, and readily visible from disabled bays, with clear guidance on any steps they must take to benefit from additional time or concessions.

From the driver’s account, no terms signage or payment machines were visible or accessible in the vicinity of the bay used. This placed the disabled motorist at a clear disadvantage, constituting both a breach of the Code and unlawful indirect discrimination under the Equality Act 2010.

You are now required to produce strict proof of compliance, including:

• A dated, scaled site plan showing all signage and payment machines in relation to the disabled bay used.
• Dated photographs showing exactly what is visible from that bay and on the approach to it.
• Specific evidence of reasonable adjustments in place to ensure disabled motorists are not disadvantaged in accessing or understanding the terms.

3. Vague, Incoherent and Unenforceable Allegation – “0 hours 0 minutes”

Your reminder states that a Parking Charge is payable if the vehicle “remains within the car park for longer than the 0 hours 0 minutes max stay time”.

This is patently absurd. A term stating that the maximum permitted stay is zero minutes is meaningless in contract law and in plain English. It is incapable of acceptance by any reasonable motorist and fails to convey any intelligible contractual obligation.

Further, your own notice lists three entirely different and mutually exclusive possible reasons for issuing the charge:

• No valid pay and display ticket purchased;
• Remaining at the car park for longer than permitted;
• Not entering the vehicle registration into a terminal in reception.

You have failed to identify which of these you allege applies in this case, let alone point to the specific contractual term said to have been breached. Such ambiguity is fatal to any claim, as a motorist cannot be expected to guess which obligation is alleged to have been breached.

If the signage genuinely states “0 hours 0 minutes” as the maximum stay, then it is void for uncertainty. If it does not, then your Notice misrepresents the terms and is misleading. In either case, the allegation is unenforceable under the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (sections 62 and 68) due to lack of transparency and failure to bring a key term to the attention of the motorist in a clear and intelligible way.

4. Misuse of ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67

Your reliance on Beavis is wholly misplaced and misleading. The Beavis judgment concerned a retail car park offering a clearly advertised free period, with prominent signage at the entrance and throughout, where the motorist had knowingly overstayed that free period.

This case does not involve a clearly advertised free parking period, and your own paperwork suggests that no such free period exists. The facts are therefore materially different. To cite Beavis as if it applies wholesale here is at best sloppy, and at worst a deliberate attempt to mislead the recipient into believing the charge has been judicially approved in circumstances where it plainly has not. Any repetition of that position in litigation will be challenged in open court.

5. Litigation Warning

For the avoidance of doubt, I am fully aware of my rights and the relevant legal framework. If ParkingEye is under the illusion that I can be influenced by veiled threats of possible future litigation, you are mistaken.

If you choose to escalate this matter beyond the appeals process, I am already prepared and committed to defending any claim robustly. In that event, I will:

• Rely on your breaches of the Equality Act 2010, PPSCoP, Consumer Rights Act 2015, and PoFA 2012.
• Place before the court any failure to address this complaint/appeal properly and any refusal to provide the evidence requested.
• Seek appropriate sanctions and costs for unreasonable behaviour under CPR 27.14(2)(g).
• Escalate complaints to the DVLA, BPA, and Information Commissioner’s Office for misuse of my personal data and failure to comply with statutory and Code obligations.

If you reject this appeal and are so sure of your position, you are obliged under the BPA’s AOS membership rules to issue a valid POPLA code to allow escalation. I will expect that code to be supplied without delay or obstruction. While I hold POPLA in little regard due to its clear lack of true independence — given its financial reliance on the very industry it is meant to assess — you remain contractually bound to provide that route of escalation.

Any attempt to issue a claim without first addressing the substantive issues and evidence requests set out in this complaint will be treated as unreasonable behaviour and will be brought to the court’s attention in full.

Yours faithfully,

[Name of Registered Keeper]
[Address]
[Email]
Title: Parkingeye PCN - Non-payment - Cockhedge Shopping Centre
Post by: txl08 on August 14, 2025, 04:45:18 am
Can somebody help with this situation, the registered keeper is elderly and this is causing a lot of stress.

The vehicle was parked in a disabled bay for around 4 hours, apparently 2 hours are free after which charges apply. The car park is pay on exit, the driver did not see any signage or pay machines in the vicinity of the parking space and left without paying. You need to input the vehicle registration at the machine, and there are no barriers.

The car park is very large, the PCN states it's the ‘rear visitor’ car park (oo er mrs). I’m trying to track down the exact location of the bay on streetview, in relation to the payment terminal ‘in reception’, and where the signs are and what they say. The registered keeper did not receive the initial PCN but received a PCN ‘reminder’, dated 25 June (attached).

I have emailed the retail park and intend to appeal Parking Eye with the MSE template, adding mention of an occupant being a blue badge holder and unable to walk round searching for signs/pay stations late at night.

The wording on the back of the PCN refers to staying “within the car park for longer than the 0 hours 0 minutes max stay time”. This seems nonsensical to me, how can the maximum time allowed be zero?