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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: gainz on August 06, 2025, 10:59:51 am
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I paid this as didnt want it hanging over my head like the sword of damacles or something...
Thanks for the help anyway, lesson learnt!
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Who knows? Define 'bulky' and then provide some proof.
The burden of (b)the delivery, collection, loading or unloading cannot reasonably be carried out in relation to those premises without the vehicle being parked as mentioned in subsection (1) is heavy, and for a good reason.
There's no mention of any time imperative or constraints in this case AND the OP was clearly fit enough to drive in the first instance.
If the OP thinks they're entitled to rely upon the exception and could persuade an adjudicator to their cause at a hearing with their limited credibility and objective evidence then they should carry on.
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2 items totalling the weight of a bag of dishwasher salt i.e. 3kg.
If this is your proof then IMO do not risk the discount on this point.
Hi H C Andersen. Does the OP recently having had shoulder surgery, mean that the usual 'heavy and bulky' requirement for loading / unloading could be adjudicated upon more leniently?
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(b)the delivery, collection, loading or unloading cannot reasonably be carried out in relation to those premises without the vehicle being parked as mentioned in subsection (1)
To be honest, I doubt whether even if this was accepted i.e. awkward shaped boxes, albeit light weight, you would persuade an adjudicator on the need for your vehicle to be parked where it was as opposed to alternative locations.
But it's your choice whether to continue. You might elicit a procedural impropriety from the authority - it's not unknown- but clearly this comes with a risk i.e. the full as opposed to discounted penalty.
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it wasnt the weight that was the problem they were both big boxes and awkward to carry.
please remove my vrn from photos
thanks
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2 items totalling the weight of a bag of dishwasher salt i.e. 3kg.
If this is your proof then IMO do not risk the discount on this point.
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dR9iVk9BjK-YBoHbgIO52QnY03noxu8q/view?usp=sharing
please find.
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That's not the issue.
Please post the evidence which you produced to the authority and any other evidence which you have.
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GSV (with the Post Office visible on Green Lanes): https://maps.app.goo.gl/Dytw6JiZXDVXpddHA
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As you can probably guess, that description is unlikely to meet the requirements of the exception.
As you were '..unloading large items for the post office' they'll be a paper trail(which you say you produced to the authority with your reps) at least as far as the number of items is concerned.
Where is this?
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returning items but that were in large boxes.
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OP, this is the only potential exception in this case:
(5)The fourth exception is where—
(a)the vehicle is being used for the purposes of delivering goods to, or collecting goods from, any premises, or is being loaded from or unloaded to any premises,
(b)the delivery, collection, loading or unloading cannot reasonably be carried out in relation to those premises without the vehicle being parked as mentioned in subsection (1), and
(c)the vehicle is so parked for no longer than is necessary and for no more than 20 minutes.
My emphasis.
You are looking to qualify under (b), but we don't know anything about details, and details matter.
What were you taking to the Post Office?
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yes it was where the link is thanks couldnt do it this time.
Sorry its a new pcn and don't know whats going on but this is third one in just a few weeks. madness. I will be more vigilant in future. There isnt a loading sign. Could you remove my vrn please from the pictures?
-Question 1 : 'Please explain in as much detail as possible why you think your PCN should be cancelled'
Answer : 'I was unloading large items for the post office. there was no parking available and i cannot carry these items for distance due to recent shoulder surgery. I saw the parking attendant and explaind this to him. he could not cancel the pcn so please do so i have further supporting evidence if needed. Please cancel.'
-Question 2 : 'Would you like to upload any other documents to support your case?'
Answer : 'Yes'
-Question 3 : 'Please upload a copy of your supporting document(s)'
Answer : 'File uploaded - 'po.pdf''
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Was it here? (https://maps.app.goo.gl/DsKqxYkULrns4WS37)
If not, then please post up a GSV link to the location.
The kerb seems to have yellow kerb dashes which indicate loading restrictions apply. They are badly worn and I can't determine if they are single (part-time) or double (24 x 7) dashes.
Are you able to confirm if there is a loading time-plate at the corner and what it says? The most recent GSV, assuming I have the location correct, suggests single dashes which apply 8.00 - 9.30am and 4.30-6.30pm. However that was the case May 2016 so may well be out of date.
That said the loading/unloading restrictions apply to the DYL. And the DYLs alongside the lowered kerb are unnecessary, as there is an overriding ban on parking by the lowered kerb. You would have to show that it was necessary to park in that specific place in order to carry out your loading or unloading and then subject to a limit of 20 mins. The fact that there was nowhere else available for you to park wouldn't cut it.
Be aware that other boroughs would have impounded your car.
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This is a new case I think - the OP has rapidly become one of our frequent flyers.
Looks bang to rights.
Have you got a copy of your challenge as loading is an exemption. What was the package?
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This PCN is for parking across a lowered kerb not for loading/unloading as implied. The lowered kerb is also marked with tactile paving slabs. It's situated at a junction and is clearly intended for use as a pedestrian parking. And marked unnecessarily by double yellow lines.
You were not allowed to park blocking the lowered kerb at all. It's anti-social so your mitigation is unlikely to carry much weight.
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Sorry, but could you request the administrator add this to your existing previous thread. Setting up more than one thrad for the same PCN causes confusion, so we discourage it.
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Hi all, I already appealed this and it came back rejected. The ceo said to appeal on the grounds of unloading and no parking available as I needed to be close to the post office due to recent shoulder surgery. I sent them proof of unloading by way of po receipt. i thought they might request more evidence so i could send surgery details but alas no. Is this worth persuing?
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dDlhj-IsLYTNJWe7O9faS2KtV-7kuasV?usp=sharing