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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: pinkpopppy on August 06, 2025, 10:36:00 am
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No worries! :)
Thanks, all very clear, though on Brent's PE3 form the first box is the 'did not receive pcn' option. Is what follows straightforward or should I return for more advice?
Sorry, I got the 'tick' option wrong. HCA is correct, tick box for "you never received the PCN". I must be getting old !
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Thanks, all very clear, though on Brent's PE3 form the first box is the 'did not receive pcn' option. Is what follows straightforward or should I return for more advice?
Sorry, I got the 'tick' option wrong. HCA is correct, tick box for "you never received the PCN". I must be getting old !
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Yes, spotted, thanks
The correct grounds are: 'You did not receive the Penalty Charge Notice in question'
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Thanks, all very clear, though on Brent's PE3 form the first box is the 'did not receive pcn' option. Is what follows straightforward or should I return for more advice?
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The correct grounds are: 'You did not receive the Penalty Charge Notice in question'
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I have just received the Order for Recovery. Could you advise me on the next step. Many thanks
Just wait for the next notice, Order for Recovery, and come back herewhen you do.
The process is simple and you'll be served with another PCN:
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/moving-traffic-pcn-enforcement-process
They should have included form PE3 Statutory Declaration. When filling this in, not that in the information you must supply at top right of the form, the "Applicant" is the council, not you. You are the respondent.
Tick the second box down, for "submitted reps but did not receive....etc". There is no need to put anything in the "Reasons" box. Don't date and sign it until you are with the witness, (a solicitor, or a county court official) who will countersign.
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I have just received the Order for Recovery. Could you advise me on the next step. Many thanks
Just wait for the next notice, Order for Recovery, and come back herewhen you do.
The process is simple and you'll be served with another PCN:
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/moving-traffic-pcn-enforcement-process
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Thanks, good to know. Strange about the two PCN issues!
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Check with the TEC helpdesk on the 26th or 27th August. That will be fine.
On the Brent site the amount outstanding should increase from £240 to £250 when the Order for Recovery is issued. The £10 difference is the court registration fee. I'm not certain as to how prompt Brent are about updating the PCN Key Events.
I wonder why the event history says that a PCN was issued on the 27th of June and another was issued on the 30th June?
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Thanks, is that three weeks from the date the Charge Certificate was issued?
The advice is "....wait for the 14 day period stated on the charge certificate to expire, wait another week (but not a day more) and check whether the debt has been registered with the Traffic Enforcement Centre (TEC)."
If so that is 25th August, Bank Holiday Monday, so assuming they will be closed, will it matter if it's a day late?
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After about 3 weeks check the key events on Brent's site to see if the debt has been registered. You don't want to miss the order for recovery.
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Thanks for the advice, greatly appreciated
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Just wait for the next notice, Order for Recovery, and come back herewhen you do.
The process is simple and you'll be served with another PCN:
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/moving-traffic-pcn-enforcement-process
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Are the name and address correct on the charge certificate.
For a moving traffic contravention there is only one postal PCN which is the same in effect as an NTO.
Process if you didn't get it is to wait for order for recovery and make a statutory declaration you didn't get it.
https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-local-autho/
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Thanks for this. Where did you view the footage? Yes, name and address are correct.
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Are the name and address correct on the charge certificate.
For a moving traffic contravention there is only one postal PCN which is the same in effect as an NTO.
Process if you didn't get it is to wait for order for recovery and make a statutory declaration you didn't get it.
https://www.ftla.uk/announcements/charge-certificates-london-local-authorities-and-tfl-act-2003-london-local-autho/
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Please post up all of the Charge Certificate. Leave all of it visible except your name and address. A piece of paper can cover the name and address if that's easier.
Are you able to open the link?
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Did you receive a postal Penalty Charge Notice ? No Notice to Owner is sent after a postal PCN is served, because the recipient is the owner.
Under certain London-specific legislation, (bus lanes, I think), an Enforcement Notice can be sent if a postal PCN is ignored.
No, nothing until the Charge Certificate
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Please post up all of the Charge Certificate. Leave all of it visible except your name and address. A piece of paper can cover the name and address if that's easier.
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Did you receive a postal Penalty Charge Notice ? No Notice to Owner is sent after a postal PCN is served, because the recipient is the owner.
Under certain London-specific legislation, (bus lanes, I think), an Enforcement Notice can be sent if a postal PCN is ignored.
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Please post up all of the Charge Certificate. Leave all of it visible except your name and address. A piece of paper can cover the name and address if that's easier.
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This sounds like a Charge Certificate. There would never have been a Notice to Owner, it would have been a postal Penalty Charge Notice issued under the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003.
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Oops 🤦🏻♀️ wrong term, postal PCN is what I meant
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Sorry, I thought that was only necessary for challenging PCNs
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Please post up the document you received, only redact or obscure your name & address.
Please read the READ THIS FIRST - **BEFORE POSTING YOUR CASE!** (https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/) sticky post at the top of the forum for instructions.
This sounds like a Charge Certificate. There would never have been a Notice to Owner, it would have been a postal Penalty Charge Notice issued under the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003.
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I received a Contravention code 53J pcn Charge Certificate out of the blue from Brent council yesterday, 05.08.2025 but never received a Notice to Owner.
The Date of Notice is 04.08.2025.
The fine is now £240.
It's too late for me to view the details online so I don't know if the contravention occurred, but it could have done, in which case I would have paid the £60 within the discounted period.
Your advice on what to do next would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks