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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Turnspike on August 04, 2025, 08:42:19 pm
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OP, you've cut off the top of the first page of the NOR. Pl repost in its entirety deleting only your name and address.
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Sorted. Another wrong reference to TMA!
Sounds great!
Sorry for ignorance. What does that mean?
TMA=Traffic Management Act 2004
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Sorted. Another wrong reference to TMA!
Sounds great!
Sorry for ignorance. What does that mean?
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Sorted. Another wrong reference to TMA!
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PM received. I'll PM you by return.
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Steady on. Let's see it please. I am happy to assist with this one at the Tribunal.
They have sent me an email saying the hearing will be via teams on 26th January 2026 at 10:15.
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the NOR:
https://1drv.ms/i/c/811c71ea00b35396/Eez3fyOcP0hMu7To6pwqbOQBhekQC9EvbJ-V23kr0TmOPQ?e=ugOkvQ
https://1drv.ms/i/c/811c71ea00b35396/EZEt-PVYGTZAgoBeaLS4q2kBSPerhoPod5Wjev46uHjOAg?e=01ez1N
https://1drv.ms/i/c/811c71ea00b35396/EUKhSfdCOHJAot7X-9O1E8UBrgB_GI-oKx4b2AY_O6PYzg?e=7sQOs0
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I need the NOR.
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Thank you! This is what I sent:
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The ‘date of service’ Change
appeal provision in paragraph 1(3)
of Schedule 1 to the London
Local Authorities Act 2003
(LLAA 2003) doesn't apply
to the payment periods
specified by section 4(8)(iii)
and (iv) of the LLAA 2003,
as it only applies to the
authorities' discretion to
disregard representations
made after the 28 day
period. The payment period
& appeal period are
conflated. The law says it is
a 2 working day difference.
It is unclear when the 14 or
28 days begin & end.
Regarding the incident itself
I would like to include
explanation. I am usually
extremely conscientious of
these things, e.g. ensuring
my vehicle does not
overhang yellow lines when
parking etc, so it is shocking
to me that I could have
made this error. There is
limited parking in the area
that I live, & though I, on a
daily basis, see other drivers
leave their cars on double
yellow lines, creating
obstructions &/or hazards all
day without ever being
ticketed, I always take the
time to find a legal place to
park.
I understand that the
procedure for yellow boxes
is to check that your exit is
clear before you enter. In the
situation I was in, I could
see the road ahead. A
queue ahead was in place
due to traffic lights further
up, however it was all still
moving but as I approached
the lights turned from green
to red. From where I was, it
seemed that there would be
enough room on the
opposite side of the yellow
box once the traffic had
finished crawling towards
the red light given the
number of cars & the space
available on the reasonably
long stretch of road.
Everything was still moving
as I entered. I believe it is
generally advised to leave
about a metre of space
between cars in queues, &
as can be seen in the
image, the car directly in
front of mine seems to be
leaving a gap of at least 2
metres. With multiple cars
ahead probably leaving
larger than necessary gaps
between vehicles, I ended
up forced to overlap the box.
Stationary vehicles stopped
me from moving any further
forward, & of course,
reversing was not a safe
option.
Also, the road splits into 2
lanes around half way
between the yellow box &
the lights, so if even one
vehicle had gone into the
right hand lane, I would
have had more than ample
space without issue.
There is also a slip of
parking spaces directly
before the lights, & it is
possible that a vehicle was
allowed to slip into the
queue from there as the
traffic slowed down, thereby
taking the space I would
have occupied.
Reviewing the video, which provides 22
seconds of footage before
the stop, we see a silver
vehicle moving at some
speed pass out of view. It is
6 seconds before the next
blue vehicle follows,
seemingly speeding up after
coming out of the junction.
The next vehicle stops in
view of the camera, but
considering the speed of the
previous 2 vehicles, you
would assume there was a
reasonable space ahead of
them, else they should have
been slowing.
The yellow box is too large
for the junction. Other
similar junctions with wide
curved pavements to do not
extend the box any further
than necessary to provide
access to the junction. No
obstruction was caused, &
vehicles were able to easily
use the junction without
issue, as evidenced by one
doing so in the video.
According to TfL, the
purpose of the box is to
keep the junctions clear to
allow free exit & entrance.
As long as traffic can still
flow, and gridlock is
prevented, the box junction
is effective. Despite my
overlap, the junction was not
blocked at all.
So | would like the PCN cancelled for any of the following reasons:
Not correctly delivered. The letter was sent to an outdated address.
Unclear and contradictory
legislation regarding appeal
and payment periods.
Therefore unenforceable.
Vehicles preventing exit by occupying my space.
De minimis contravention. Stopped only for a few
seconds. No obstruction was caused at all.
Visibility of the end yellow box being unclear.
Yellow box being too large.
Incomplete video.
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I also added two photos of yellow boxes that did not extend as far as that one and the TFL definition of what a yellow box is for, to show that I did not prevent its function.
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Steady on. Let's see it please. I am happy to assist with this one at the Tribunal.
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Update. I called them to try and get a Notice of Rejection. They have sent me one and also dropped the fine back to £80. I am now appealing through tribunal. I used basically the same text as above but deleted the section about why the appeal was late.
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No.
If you do not pay the charge then an Order for Recovery would be issued.
IMO you do not have grounds on which to challenge the order legitimately, but a previous comment from at least one other poster suggests you may (as in it would be lawful to do so and make the statement of truth which is required).
But you're not there yet.
Pl post exactly what you sent by way of reps and confirm to the authority your address for all future correspondence in this matter.
So they haven't actually sent me a Notice of Rejection, which may be why I didn't get an appeal notice. They just sent me an enquiry response letter.
This is what I sent. Almost identical to the post further up.:
-----Your Message-----
I should begin by explaining the late appeal for this PCN. The letter was sent to an outdated address. My current residency is elsewhere, and so I was unaware of the PCN until after the 28 day response period had passed. The mail was not forwarded onto me or even mentioned until much later, which was completely out of my control. I get no mail delivered to that address so I am not in the habit of asking for any.
The PCN uses dates based on when the notice was written i.e. 14 and 28 days since, however, this does not account for delivery time, whether or not I might be away for the week on business or holiday and such. Let alone not living there at all. So notice probably should be more related to a confirmation of me becoming aware of it. Recorded or signed delivery or some such procedure.
The document seems to conflate the meanings of writing/sending/creating the notice and when I am personally served the notice in such a way that I am aware of it and have received it. In the last section it mentions 56 days from the date that they receive representations, showing that they understand the difference between something being sent, and something being brought to attention. But it is not precisely clear that receiving the service gets the same respect. So I am currently within the 14 days of being made aware.
This may come under reason to cancel the PCN as the council failed in its duty to ensure it was properly served to me, and so denying me a fair opportunity to challenge it. The late delivery prejudiced me.
Further, the 'date of service' provision in paragraph 1(3) of Schedule 1 to the London Local Authorities Act 2003 (LLAA 2003) does not apply to the payment periods specified by section 4(8)(iii) and (iv) of the LLAA 2003, as it only applies to the authorities' discretion to disregard representations made after the 28 day period. So the payment period is conflated with the appeal period. The law says it is a two working day difference.
All of these things mean that it is unclear when the 14 or 28 days begin and end. Is it when the letter is written, posted, delivered up to two days later, or confirmed received? What if an appeal was made on day 13, but a rejection was received on day 15?
Regarding the incident itself I would also like to include additional explanation. I am usually extremely conscientious of these types of things, e.g. ensuring my vehicle does not overhang yellow lines when my wheels are inside parking spaces etc, so it is shocking to me that I could have made this error. There is even limited parking in the area that I live, and though I, on a daily basis, see other drivers leave their cars on double yellow lines, causing obstructions and/or creating hazards all day without ever being ticketed, I always take the extra time to find a legal place to park.
I understand that the procedure for yellow boxes is to check that your exit is clear before you enter. In the situation I was in, I could see the road ahead. A queue ahead was in place due to traffic lights further up, however it was all still moving but as I approached the lights turned from green to red. From where I was, it seemed that there would be enough room on the opposite side of the yellow box once the traffic had finished crawling towards the red light given the number of cars and the space available on the reasonably long stretch of road. Everything was still moving as I entered. I believe it is generally advised to leave about a metre of space between cars in queues, and as can be seen in the image, the car directly in front of mine seems to be leaving a gap of at least two metres. With multiple cars ahead probably leaving larger than necessary gaps between vehicles, I ended up forced to overlap the box. Stationary vehicles stopped me from moving any further forward, and of course, reversing was not a safe option.
Additionally, the road also splits into two lanes around half way between the yellow box and the lights, so if even one vehicle had gone into the right hand lane, I would have had more than ample space without issue.
There is also a slip of parking spaces directly before the lights, and it is possible that a vehicle was allowed to slip into the queue from there as the traffic slowed down, thereby taking the space I would have occupied.
Reviewing the video, which provides 22 seconds of footage before the stop, we see a silver vehicle moving at some speed pass out of view. It is 6 seconds before the next blue vehicle moves out of view, seemingly speeding up after coming out of the junction. The next vehicle stops in view of the camera, but considering the speed of the previoustwo vehicles, you would assume there was a reasonable amount of space ahead of them, else they should have been slowing rather than accelerating.
Whatever the event, I ended up overlapping the box, with the front section of my car having exited successfully. However, no obstruction was caused, and vehicles were able to easily use the junction without issue, as evidenced by one doing so in the video. According to TfL, the purpose of the box is to keep the junctions clear to avoid traffic jams, and allow free exit and entrance, especially for emergency vehicles. As long as traffic can still flow, and gridlock is prevented, the box junction is effective. Despite my overlap, the junction was not blocked at all.
This is combined with the box itself being somewhat faded and the road ahead being curved and on a hill, potentially affecting the judgement of space available.
While it is safest for the exit to be entirely clear when a vehicle enters the junction, the fact that it is not does not prove a contravention. Other variables can apply and compromise the exit. It also goes without saying that while driving, we usually have to make decisions quite quickly
It could also be argued that the yellow box is too large for the junction. Other similar junctions with wide curved pavements to do not extend the box any further than necessary to provide access to the junction.
The video evidence does not show how long the vehicle was stopped for. It comes to a halt at 22 seconds, and the video ends at 28 seconds without showing the vehicle begin moving again. So only 6 seconds of being stationary are proved. It may have not been much longer before moving on again, even though no obstruction was caused to begin with. The stop was trivial and inconsequential.
I am sure that this will not be relevant to the appeals process but I might also mention that I am simply not in a position to afford this fine. I was made redundant and following that I returned to higher education in order to improve my qualifications and not be made redundant from my industry again. So my current living situation is on a student budget.
So I would like the PCN cancelled for any of the following reasons:
Not correctly delivered. Therefore unenforceable
Unclear and contradictory legislation regarding appeal and payment periods. Therefore unenforceable
Vehicles preventing exit by occupying my space.
De minimis contravention. Box was almost cleared and stopped only for a few seconds. No obstruction was caused at all.
Visibility of the end yellow box being somewhat unclear.
Yellow box being too large for the junction.
Incomplete video.
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I sent another message asking for a Notice of Appeal and got this email in response, so I'm hoping nothing escalates.:
Thank you for your recent correspondence regarding the above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN).
Your PCN will be held at the current stage and the charge will not increase while we investigate the matter. Our response will be sent by post as soon as possible. Please note that this does not apply if your PCN is at Enforcement Agent (bailiff) stage in which case, you should contact the agent direct.
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No.
If you do not pay the charge then an Order for Recovery would be issued.
IMO you do not have grounds on which to challenge the order legitimately, but a previous comment from at least one other poster suggests you may (as in it would be lawful to do so and make the statement of truth which is required).
But you're not there yet.
Pl post exactly what you sent by way of reps and confirm to the authority your address for all future correspondence in this matter.
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Can I appeal to an independent adjudicator without a notice of appeal?
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I have it yes. But I think the later letter overrides it.
It is dated 12/08, while this is 07/08.
I sent a message on the pcn site asking for a notice of appeal as they have only given me automated numbers to contact.
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They say they have already sent you a Charge Certificate. Have you received it?
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I was intending to follow the instructions on that link, however I have not been sent a Notice of Appeal.
Is that something I can use for my case?
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Hi. Update.
I sent my appeal, slightly rewording my post above.
The response was sent to the old address again despite me giving them the new one.
Can anyone give me some advice on what to do next please?
Do I use this process?
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/appeals-process-explained
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Your legal duty is for the V5C to have an address where you can receive, and respond to, mail; ownership of properties is irrelevant.
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If the council accept your late appeal, you're pretty much in the clear, except that when submitting your late representations you must tell them to send all correspondence, and statutory documemnts to your current address which you give as part of your reps. You need to update your V5C asap too.
Thanks.
So my explanation above is good to use?
I have updated the V5C now. However as I am still on the deed for the old address, hopefully that is a technicality to avoid that fine. 😅
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Something to keep in mind, though, is that Bexley could report you to the DVLA over not updating the V5C if you go down that route. The fine for that is up to £1,000.
Yes, it's possible, but in all my years in posting advice, here and in the old Pepipoo, councils never do so. Not something to worry about, in my opinion.
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Something to keep in mind, though, is that Bexley could report you to the DVLA over not updating the V5C if you go down that route. The fine for that is up to £1,000.
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If the council accept your late appeal, you're pretty much in the clear, except that when submitting your late representations you must tell them to send all correspondence, and statutory documemnts to your current address which you give as part of your reps. You need to update your V5C asap too.
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I should begin by explaining the late appeal for this PCN. The letter was sent to an outdated address. My current residency is elsewhere, and so I was unaware of the PCN until after the 28 day response period had passed.
So your V5C Registration Certificate has an incorrect address then ? If you no longer live at that address, why did you not update your V5C ? You have been fairly lucky to have got the PCN, albeit some time after it was served, but if you hadn't, all the enforcement documents would have gone to that address without you knowing, with the result you get bailiffs at your door eventually.
Ignorance basically. I have never been told that the V5C was a thing until now.
Although my name is still on the deed to the house, so technically the address still belongs to me even though I am never there.
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I should begin by explaining the late appeal for this PCN. The letter was sent to an outdated address. My current residency is elsewhere, and so I was unaware of the PCN until after the 28 day response period had passed.
So your V5C Registration Certificate has an incorrect address then ? If you no longer live at that address, why did you not update your V5C ? You have been fairly lucky to have got the PCN, albeit some time after it was served, but if you hadn't, all the enforcement documents would have gone to that address without you knowing, with the result you get bailiffs at your door eventually.
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Look at it again - the increased charge is in there (£240).
Yes but when? If after.............
I feel like you are giving a clue to some legislation we could use here.
At least I hope so.
I have been looking more closely at the PCN now that I have had a bit of time to do so, and trying to find advice on it but would very much appreciate the experts here confirming or telling me where I might be going wrong.
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I should begin by explaining the late appeal for this PCN. The letter was sent to an outdated address. My current residency is elsewhere, and so I was unaware of the PCN until after the 28 day response period had passed. The mail was not forwarded onto me or even mentioned until much later, which is completely out of my control. I get no mail delivered to that address so I am not in the habit of asking for any. The PCN uses dates based on when the notice was written i.e. 14 and 28 days since, however, this does not account for delivery time, whether or not I might be away for the week on business or holiday and such. Let alone not living there at all. So notice probably should be more related to a confirmation of me becoming aware of it. Recorded or signed delivery or some such procedure. Mail getting lost is not exactly uncommon.
The document seems to conflate the meanings of writing/sending/creating the notice and when I am personally served the notice in such a way that I am aware of it and have received it. In the last section they mention 56 days from the date that they receive representations, showing that they understand the difference between something being sent, and something being brought to attention. But it is not precisely clear that receiving the service gets the same respect. So I am currently within the 14 days of being made aware and should be at least offered the lower payment.
This may come under reason to cancel the PCN as the council failed in its duty to ensure it was properly served to me, and so denying me a fair opportunity to challenge it. The late delivery prejudiced me.
The 'date of service' provision in paragraph 1(3) of Schedule 1 to the London Local Authorities Act 2003 (LLAA 2003) does not apply to the payment periods specified by section 4(8 )(iii) and (iv) of the LLAA 2003, as it only applies to the authorities' discretion to disregard representations made after the 28 day period. So the payment period is conflated with the appeal period. The law says it is a two working day difference.
All of these things mean that it is unclear when the 14 or 28 days begin and end. Is it when the letter is written, posted, delivered up to two days later, or confirmed received? What if an appeal was made on day 13, but a rejection was received on day 15? Does that mean we have to pay the higher amount? Would the payment period reset after communication? All of this is unclear.
Regarding the incident itself I would also like to include additional explanation. I am usually extremely conscienscious of these types of things, e.g. ensuring my vehicle does not overhang yellow lines when my wheels are inside parking spaces etc, so it is shocking to me that I could have made this error. There is even limited parking in the area that I live, and though I, on a daily basis, see other drivers leave their cars on double yellow lines, causing obstructions and/or creating hazards all day without ever being ticketed, I always take the extra time to find a legal place to park.
I understand that the procedure for yellow boxes is to check that your exit is clear before you enter. In the situation I was in, I could see the road ahead. A queue ahead was in place due to traffic lights further up, however it was all still moving but as I approached the lights turned from green to red. From where I was, it seemed that there would be enough room on the opposite side of the yellow box once the traffic had finished crawling towards the red light given the number of cars and the space available on the reasonably long stretch of road. Everything was still moving as I entered. I believe it is generally advised to leave about a metre of space between cars in queues, and as can be seen in the image, the car directly in front of mine seems to be leaving a gap of at least two metres. With multiple cars ahead probably leaving larger than necessary gaps between vehicles, I ended up forced to overlap the box. Stationary vehicles stopped me from moving any further forward, and of course, reversing was not a safe option.
Additionally, the road also splits into two lanes around half way between the yellow box and the lights, so if even one vehicle had gone into the right hand lane, I would have had more than ample space without issue.
There is also a slip of parking spaces directly before the lights, and it is possible that a vehicle was allowed to slip into the queue from there as the traffic slowed down, thereby taking the space I would have occupied.
Reviewing the video, which provides 22 seconds of footage before the stop, we see a silver vehicle moving at some speed pass out of view. It is 6 seconds before the next blue vehicle moves out of view, seemingly speeding up after coming out of the junction. The next vehicle stops in view of the camera, but considering the speed of the previous two vehicles, you would assume there was a reasonable amount of space ahead of them, else they should have been slowing rather than accelerating.
Whatever the event, I ended up overlapping the box, with the front section of my car having exited successfully. However, no obstruction was caused, and vehicles were able to easily use the junction without issue, as evidenced by one doing so in the video. According to tfl the purpose of the box is to keep the junctions clear to avoid traffic jams, and allow free exit and entrance, especially for emergency vehicles. As long as traffic can still flow, and gridlock is prevented, the box junction is effective. Despite my overlap, the junction was not blocked at all.
This is combined with the box itself being somewhat faded and the road ahead being curved and on a hill, potentially affecting the judgement of space available.
While it is safest for the exit to be entirely clear when a vehicle enters the junction, the fact that it is not does not prove a contravention. Other variables can apply and compromise the exit. It also goes without saying that while driving, we usually have to make decisions quite quickly
It could also be argued that the yellow box is too large for the junction. Other similar junctions with wide curved pavements to do not extend the box any further than necessary to provide access to the junction. e.g. image attached
The video evidence does not show how long the vehicle was stopped for. It comes to a halt at 22 seconds, and the video ends at 28 seconds without showing the vehicle begin moving again. So only 6 seconds of being stationary are proved. It may have not been much longer before moving on again, even though no obstruction was caused to begin with. The stop was trivial and inconsequential.
I am sure that this will not be relevant to the appeals process but I might also mention that I am simply not in a position to afford this fine. I was made redundant and following that I returned to higher education in order to improve my qualifications and not be made redundant from my industry again. So my current living situation is on a student budget.
So I would like the PCN cancelled for any of the following reasons:
Not correctly delivered. Therefore unenforcable.
Unclear and contradictory legislation regarding appeal and payment periods. Therefore unenforcable.
Vehicles preventing exit by occupying my space.
De minimis contravention. Box was almost cleared and stopped only for a few seconds. No obstruction was caused at all.
Visibility of the end yellow box being somewhat unclear.
Yellow box being too large for the junction.
Incomplete video.
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Look at it again - the increased charge is in there (£240).
Yes but when? If after.............
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Look at it again - the increased charge is in there (£240).
As for recorded delivery, where is that in the rules?
Ah yes. You're right. It does mention the increase.
Recorded delivery was mentioned in the case shared above.
Can anyone please offer some advice on how I respond to the PCN or how to proceed?
Recorded delivery mentioned in the case above is under Scottish law, not English.
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Look at it again - the increased charge is in there (£240).
As for recorded delivery, where is that in the rules?
Ah yes. You're right. It does mention the increase.
Recorded delivery was mentioned in the case shared above.
Can anyone please offer some advice on how I respond to the PCN or how to proceed?
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All that the law requires is delivery by 1st Class post. Of course it is totally out-of-date nowadays and needs updating to reflect the tracking options offered by Royal Mail and others. Will it ever be updated ? I think you know the answer already !
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Look at it again - the increased charge is in there (£240).
As for recorded delivery, where is that in the rules?
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So could I use something similar to this at all?
(v) that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be
payable;
(vi) the amount of the increased charge;
I don't think it included (vi)
I also don't believe it was delivered by recorded delivery. And I certainly was not the one to accept delivery.
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Not quite. See Moosafeer Key Case.
https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/files/keycases/Anisha%20Moosafeer%20v%20LB%20Havering.pdf
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This is something the council have put in, as there is no statutory grounds of "compelling reasons". The PCN is only required to list the Statutory Grounds for an appeal.
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I've uploaded the PCN above. I hope somebody who knows about these things can find something.
Possibly this?
Poorly Defined "Other Compelling Reasons"
The PCN mentions:
"We will consider representations made for any other compelling reasons."
This is overly vague and doesn’t clarify what qualifies as "compelling."
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I interpreted it as the OP is the registered owner, but the registered address is from when they used to live with their 'ex'.
OP please can you confirm.
Correct. Although I am still on the mortgage deed, even though I don't live there. Not since 2020.
My ex did not tell me I had any post until I came by (I live over an hours drive away). As far as I knew I had updated all of my information to new addresses.
I have just moved into a new place and been here a month.
I have the PCNs ready now. Attached here.
Thank you for all the replies so far. Hopefully someone can find something.
I found this site. It seems to have good information on it too.
https://www.yellowboxes.co.uk/stolen-space-appeals
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For those more familiar with such matters, would the OP be able to get the PCN reset by legitimately claiming they did not receive the original PCN (i.e. is receiving it but after it the deadline for payment/challenge has expired the same as not receiving it at all?).
My view is that the regulations impose a time limit on responding to PCNs, (and other enforcement documents too), so if one doesn't receive it until after this statutory period has expired, then essentially it has not been received.
So Yes !
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I interpreted it as the OP is the registered owner, but the registered address is from when they used to live with their 'ex'.
OP please can you confirm.
For those more familiar with such matters, would the OP be able to get the PCN reset by legitimately claiming they did not receive the original PCN (i.e. is receiving it but after it the deadline for payment/challenge has expired the same as not receiving it at all?).
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As the council will have obtained your ex's name and address from the DVLA record for the vehicle registration number, it looks like your ex holds the V5C. Alternatively, the V5C is registered to your ex at a previous address and it has been posted on by the person now living there. If the vehicle is hired or leased, the hire/leasing firm can pass on the name and address of the lessor on the date of the contravention.
So it's all a bit of a puzzle, unless you can tell us more.
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Sorry. The links should be viewable now.
Thanks for the responses.
Unfortunately I was completely ignorant about the V5 form. I never got one when I first got the car it seems. There isn't one among all my vehicle documents and I even have the reciept.
I have kept my driver's licence and insurance addresses up to date, and just had no idea that this was a thing until now. So I have sent off for one and am updating that too.
I was stopped by police once and they got my address through insurance. Even then there was no mention of this form.
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1. It's Bexley, not Bromley.
2. Update your V5 with DVLA.
3. Keep checking with your ex re. further posted comms.
4. It's 100m further before the road widens to 2 lanes for the right turn into Longlands.
5. Your best bet is going to be hoping there's something procedurally wrong with the PCN when you upload it.
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Please set your Google Drive links to 'Public'; at the moment they cannot be viewed.
Please also tell us why the PCN was sent to your ex's address. As you only received the PCN after the 28 days has expired, this period also closes off any option to submit representations. How late are you ?
Councils may accept late reps but are not legally bound to. An enforcement document called a Charge Certificate that adds 50% to the penalty may already be on its way to you. I therefore strongly urge you to submit representations asap, so please open up your documents asap too.
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Hi,
I had a PCN for this recently. There is the added issue that it was sent to my ex's address and so I did not see it until after the 28 days to pay had passed. I haven't made any contact about it yet.
I will upload the image of the PCN after I have edited out personal details.
video (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1r5URzffzRQH3mkjONffMCvQsm6l1JJ0d/view?usp=drive_link)
image (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TIzUn2vTh9ar63XqFQ5NwIM18BpiMg8s/view?usp=drive_link)
This was over a month ago, but I do vaguely recall what happened. There is a traffic light ahead and the single lane becomes two before it comes to them.
I wanted to be in the mostly empty right hand lane. As I approached I could see the traffic as the lights turned red and the traffic coming to a stop. From where I was, it looked as if they would all move forward enough for me to clear the junction. You can even see in the video that the car directly in front of mine had more room to go forward. As it turned out, one or more vehicles did not roll forward quite as much as I'd expected, and even if one had taken the right hand lane, I would have had more than enough room.
Even so, I did pass the actual junction and did not cause any obstruction and a vehicle is able to very easily pass behind me.
I hope somebody can help. Thank you.