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Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: LuAl22 on October 30, 2025, 06:51:08 pm
Ok,

Thanks.

Still heard nothing from Moorside since their last 7 day threat, which I is nearly 14 days ago now.

Will sit tight.
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: b789 on October 30, 2025, 06:31:33 pm
Not surprising unfortunately. The SRA almost never intervenes in individual parking-related complaints unless there’s clear evidence of dishonesty, misuse of client money, or systemic misconduct. Their “assessment threshold test” is a very high bar — they focus on breaches of regulatory standards, not failures to follow the Civil Procedure Rules or Pre-Action Protocols.

In practical terms:

1. Why the outcome was negative
• The SRA’s remit is narrow: They regulate professional conduct, not procedural competence or pre-action behaviour. A solicitor could be technically non-compliant with the PAPDC and still fall short of “regulatory misconduct.”
• They defer to the courts: Anything procedural or evidential — like failure to supply documents, misuse of templates, or the £70 add-on — is seen as a civil matter for a judge to handle.
• Pattern threshold: The SRA typically acts only where multiple complaints suggest a pattern of abuse. One or two instances (even blatant) rarely trigger formal investigation.

2. Whether this was a delay tactic
Possibly, but more likely bureaucratic triage. Their standard wording is a template response used to close reports that they deem “outside regulatory scope.” It effectively parks the matter rather than examines it. They rely on the complainant not challenging the outcome or not escalating to their Independent Reviewer (who only reviews process, not substance).

3. What this means going forward
• The SRA won’t help, but the letter itself is useful. You can now show a judge that you attempted proper regulatory escalation and that Moorside’s conduct — though tolerated by the SRA — remains contrary to the PAPDC and CPR.
• You’ve bought time. The seven-day threat has expired without further action, so unless Moorside issue proceedings soon, their silence suggests the matter may have been paused or abandoned.
• If they do issue a claim, their PAPDC non-compliance remains a valid argument for a stay or strike-out request, and the SRA closure can be exhibited to show you exhausted non-judicial remedies.

4. Strategic next step
File the SRA’s response for reference, but there’s no need to reply. If you want to keep gentle pressure on Moorside, you could write a short note:

“Further to your failure to issue a compliant Letter of Claim and the SRA’s confirmation that your actions remain a matter for judicial scrutiny, I now await either your compliant disclosure or a claim form. Any proceedings will be defended in full, and your pre-action failures will be raised before the court.”

That reinforces your position without inviting more pointless correspondence.

In short: the SRA outcome is normal, not a defeat — it simply pushes the issue back into the judicial arena, where it carries more weight anyway.
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: LuAl22 on October 30, 2025, 06:07:45 pm
Also now have a reply from SRA - was surprised (perhaps you're not) to find that they see no issues with the procedures, processes and steps Moorside Legal have taken to this point?

Was this step just a delay tactic or should the outcome have been more positive?

This was the crux of their email:

Our decision concerning the report you made to us
Thank you for your report regarding Moorside Legal Services Limited (the firm)
and its involvement in a parking charge dispute between you and the firm’s client.
You allege that:
1) The firm has not provided any signage photographs to support its clients
claim against you.
2) The firm has failed to identify the specific clause(s) of the parking terms
and conditions you have alleged to have breached.
3) The firm has refused to disclose the landowner agreement.
4) The firm have abused process in a £70 add-on charge for debt recovery.
5) The firm are in non-compliance with PAPDC and protocol for payment
demands.
After considering your report, we have decided we will not be taking any further
action.
Reasons for our decision
When we look into reports made to us, we make a decision on whether to
investigate based on our assessment threshold test. We look at:
• Whether there has been a potential breach of our rules.
• If there has been a breach of our rules, and if so, the nature of the
breach or whether the conduct forms part of a pattern of behaviour.
However, we typically only investigate the most serious allegations.
• Whether there is enough evidence to prove the breach.

In this case, your report did not pass the assessment threshold test because:
• We found there had not been a breach of our rules.
• We will not be able to prove the allegation(s) to the necessary
standard of evidence.

Please note that:
• The firm has acted on behalf of its client (and following their
instructions) in a legal matter for a parking charge notice dispute.
• It is not in breach of our rules or standards for a legal firm to charge
for debts it feels are owed to it. Whether those charges are reasonable
is a matter for a court to determine.
• We cannot tell a solicitor to take specific steps in your legal case or to
stop taking steps in your case.
• We do not have the power to make a solicitor or firm say sorry to you,
pay compensation to you for a mistake or to put things right in other
ways.
• We cannot intervene in legal disagreements, and the concerns you
raised with us is legal and/or procedural in nature, regarding a parking
charge notice dispute. This means it is ultimately for a court or a
Tribunal to determine the outcome. This is not something we, as a
regulator, can assist with and independent legal advice may need to
be sought.

Appreciate your assistance as ever.

NB: Haven't heard further from Moorside Legal since their last 7 day threat.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: b789 on October 17, 2025, 07:03:33 pm
No. Just wait for the claim to arrive and let us know.
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: LuAl22 on October 17, 2025, 06:46:11 pm
I have just sent a test email to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and it has not bounced. I received their usual auto-response rubbish.

Can you please show us the content of the message/reason in the bounced emails.

They’re not entitled to force you onto a portal. The PAPDC requires proper engagement and disclosure. If you expressly asked for non-postal correspondence and supplied alternative contact details, they should use those details for the Letter of Claim, and if documents are requested they must provide them (or explain why not) within 30 days. Blocking your email address instead of engaging points to non-compliance.

Bocking emails is not, by itself, “unlawful”, and email is not a valid method of service unless consented to under PD 6A. But this is pre-action correspondence, not service. Using a published email address then deliberately blocking you frustrates the objectives of pre-action conduct and can attract sanctions (stay, costs adjustments) if they issue the claim without first engaging.

From a regulatory angle, an SRA-regulated firm must have effective systems and controls and act fairly; publishing contact routes and then obstructing communications may raise issues under the SRA Code of Conduct for Firms (e.g., maintaining trust, not misleading, and keeping effective systems).

What this gives you if they sue anyway, is that in the Defence (or early application), you can plead PAPDC non-compliance: (i) failure to use the non-postal contact route expressly specified, (ii) failure to provide requested documents within 30 days, and (iii) obstructing pre-action engagement by blocking the your email. Seek a stay and costs for unreasonable conduct under PDPAC paras 13–16.

Do not rely on “deemed service” by email; PD 6A requires prior written agreement for electronic service. Keep the point strictly as pre-action non-compliance, not service.

When the time comes, you can use something like this in your defence:

Quote
The Claimant’s solicitors failed to comply with the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims. The Defendant requested documents and clarification. Contrary to PAPDC paras 5.1–5.2, the Claimant failed to provide the requested documents within 30 days and then obstructed communication by blocking the Defendant’s emails to all published contact addresses, despite the Defendant’s express preference for non-postal contact per PAPDC para 3.3. Any proceedings should be stayed under PDPAC paras 13–16 pending full compliance, with the Claimant bearing the costs of this non-compliance.

Other options open to you are to send anything to them by post with a free certificate of posting from any post office and require them to only communicate by post. Whilst they are not required to use proof of posting, you can rebut any presumption of delivery should you not receive it.

Finally, you could just get yourself a new, free email address, such as a gmail one, that you use only for communication with the firm of incompetents. If the subsequently block that, you can add to your SRA complaint, especially if this happens after a claim has been issued.

Apologies, I didn't see this response in full - I can't seem to add attachments now? But I have a screenshot of the email saying my email was blocked by them.

I've had a response from Moorside Legal, but not the SRA...

"We write in relation to the above matter.
Please be advised info@moorsidelegal.co.uk is not an email we use. Future corespondance will need to done via the below link. 
We ask that you make the full payment of £170.00 within 7 days of receipt of this email.
 
 
You can make payment in the following ways: 
Contact us on 0330 822 9950 (our opening times are Monday- Friday 9:00- 17:00);
portal.moorsidelegal.co.uk - Login to our portal
https://pay.moorside.legal - Quick Pay
 
 
If you fail to respond or make payment, we may be instructed by our client to issue legal proceedings against you. This will incur further costs and fees that will be added to the outstanding balance. You may wish to seek independent legal advice."

Do I tell them I won't respond until the SRA responds?
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: LuAl22 on September 11, 2025, 01:29:26 pm
Got it, thank you.
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: b789 on September 11, 2025, 01:28:27 pm
I have just sent a test email to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and it has not bounced. I received their usual auto-response rubbish.

Can you please show us the content of the message/reason in the bounced emails.

They’re not entitled to force you onto a portal. The PAPDC requires proper engagement and disclosure. If you expressly asked for non-postal correspondence and supplied alternative contact details, they should use those details for the Letter of Claim, and if documents are requested they must provide them (or explain why not) within 30 days. Blocking your email address instead of engaging points to non-compliance.

Bocking emails is not, by itself, “unlawful”, and email is not a valid method of service unless consented to under PD 6A. But this is pre-action correspondence, not service. Using a published email address then deliberately blocking you frustrates the objectives of pre-action conduct and can attract sanctions (stay, costs adjustments) if they issue the claim without first engaging.

From a regulatory angle, an SRA-regulated firm must have effective systems and controls and act fairly; publishing contact routes and then obstructing communications may raise issues under the SRA Code of Conduct for Firms (e.g., maintaining trust, not misleading, and keeping effective systems).

What this gives you if they sue anyway, is that in the Defence (or early application), you can plead PAPDC non-compliance: (i) failure to use the non-postal contact route expressly specified, (ii) failure to provide requested documents within 30 days, and (iii) obstructing pre-action engagement by blocking the your email. Seek a stay and costs for unreasonable conduct under PDPAC paras 13–16.

Do not rely on “deemed service” by email; PD 6A requires prior written agreement for electronic service. Keep the point strictly as pre-action non-compliance, not service.

When the time comes, you can use something like this in your defence:

Quote
The Claimant’s solicitors failed to comply with the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims. The Defendant requested documents and clarification. Contrary to PAPDC paras 5.1–5.2, the Claimant failed to provide the requested documents within 30 days and then obstructed communication by blocking the Defendant’s emails to all published contact addresses, despite the Defendant’s express preference for non-postal contact per PAPDC para 3.3. Any proceedings should be stayed under PDPAC paras 13–16 pending full compliance, with the Claimant bearing the costs of this non-compliance.

Other options open to you are to send anything to them by post with a free certificate of posting from any post office and require them to only communicate by post. Whilst they are not required to use proof of posting, you can rebut any presumption of delivery should you not receive it.

Finally, you could just get yourself a new, free email address, such as a gmail one, that you use only for communication with the firm of incompetents. If the subsequently block that, you can add to your SRA complaint, especially if this happens after a claim has been issued.
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: LuAl22 on September 11, 2025, 12:48:13 pm
Thanks, and thanks for your help so far.

Yes, I have reported to SRA whose auto response said it could be up to 45 days for a reply.

Whenever I have emailed Moorside (help@, info@ and indeed also no-reply@) I get automatic responses saying my email is blocked.
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: b789 on September 11, 2025, 10:17:49 am
All responses from the utter incompetents at Moorside are as expected. Please confirm that you have reported them to the SRA.

Which email addresses have you been trying to use for Moorside Legal that are "bouncing back"? Are the bounce-backs error messages or just auto-responses?
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: LuAl22 on September 10, 2025, 06:25:04 pm
Thanks,

Out of curiosity, have these responses been as you'd have expected to this point?

I also get bounce backs whenever I email to any of the Moorside email addresses now.
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: b789 on September 04, 2025, 09:09:29 am
Send the following email to the SRA at report@sra.org.uk and CC help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and yourself:

Quote
Subject: Complaint: Moorside Legal – Breach of PAPDC and SRA Principles 1, 2 and 5

To: report@sra.org.uk
Cc: help@moorsidelegal.co.uk

Dear Sirs,

I wish to lodge a formal complaint regarding the conduct of Moorside Legal in relation to their handling of a purported private parking claim. Moorside are copied into this email for transparency.

Background

Moorside Legal issued a Letter of Claim dated [insert date].

On [insert date], I sent a PAPDC-compliant request for disclosure of key documents.

On [insert date], Moorside replied by directing me to their own portal and imposing a seven-day payment deadline.

On [insert date], I replied (copy attached), pointing out that disclosure via their portal is not compliance, that their deadline was improper, and that they had still failed to provide key documents.

Despite repeated opportunities, Moorside have still not provided the following:

No signage photographs. Not a single contemporaneous photograph of the signage allegedly forming the basis of their client’s contractual claim has been provided. A CCTV still of a vehicle proves nothing.

No clause(s) identified. They have failed to identify the specific clause(s) of the supposed terms and conditions allegedly breached.

No landowner authority. They have refused to disclose the landowner agreement — an astonishing position given that their client’s very standing to bring a claim hinges on it.

£70 add-on. Their justification for the additional £70 is lifted wholesale from trade association boilerplate and does not explain whether it reflects actual incurred costs, damages, or consideration. They have also dodged the VAT question, again.

Conduct concerns

Non-compliance with PAPDC – Disclosure via Moorside’s own portal is not compliant with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 6(a)–(c). The Protocol requires provision of key documents by ordinary service, not hidden behind a login system. The portal appears designed to discourage recipients from scrutinising the evidence.

Improper deadlines – Moorside imposed a seven-day payment demand contrary to the Protocol’s mandatory 30-day period.

Abuse of process – The £70 “debt recovery” add-on is widely recognised as irrecoverable and improper.

Regulatory issues – These failings appear inconsistent with SRA Principles 1, 2 and 5, namely:

• Upholding the rule of law and proper administration of justice.

• Acting with integrity.

• Acting in a way that upholds public trust and confidence in the profession.

Impact

Moorside’s persistent refusal to serve key documents frustrates the Protocol’s very purpose, prejudices my ability to obtain advice, and risks unnecessary proceedings. It represents incompetence at best and sharp practice at worst. Their conduct appears to be a deliberate attempt to obstruct pre-litigation resolution and to pressurise payment without scrutiny of the claim.

Request

I ask the SRA to investigate and confirm what regulatory action will be taken against Moorside Legal. Their refusal to provide basic, mandatory disclosure (signage, clauses, landowner contract, quantum breakdown) is incompatible with the standards expected of solicitors and undermines public confidence.

Attachments:

• Moorside’s Letter of Claim [date].

• My PAPDC-compliant request [date].

• Moorside’s portal-only response [date].

• My reply dated [insert date], warning that their conduct would be reported to the SRA.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
[Address]
[Email / Phone]
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: LuAl22 on September 03, 2025, 05:02:30 pm
I have another reply directing me to their portal and acknowledging nothing of my response.

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"We write in relation to the above.
 
 As previously advised to review the documentation requested   we ask that you register on our customer portal using the link below:
🔗 https://portal.moorsidelegal.co.uk
 
 
Once registered, you’ll be able to view case details, send and receive messages, and manage your account directly through the portal. Please note that we do not process queries or instructions via email for security reasons.
 
Please note that we will not be addressing any further correspondence related to disputes of the same nature, as we have already provided you with a response. However, should you wish to raise a new dispute, we will investigate the matter further and respond accordingly.
 
If you need any assistance registering, feel free to contact us on 0330 822 9950.
 
 
Kind regards,
Moorside Legal

This email may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this email in error) please
notify the sender immediately and delete this email, together with any copies from your system. Any unauthorised use, copying, disclosure or
distribution of the material in this email is strictly forbidden and may be unlawful. Please note that neither Moorside Legal nor the sender accepts any
responsibility for viruses, and it is your responsibility to scan any attachments.
 
Moorside Legal Services Limited trading as Moorside Legal (1506947)
Authorised and regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority - SRA ID 8006077
Registered office address: Unit 101, Hollinwood Business Centre Albert Street, Failsworth, Oldham, England, OL8 3QL
© 2023 Moorside Legal Services Limited All Rights Reserved"
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: LuAl22 on August 30, 2025, 08:39:45 am
Not directly, no.

Has the OP revealed the identity of "the driver" on the date of the alleged "offence"?
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: roythebus on August 27, 2025, 06:23:11 pm
Has the OP revealed the identity of "the driver" on the date of the alleged "offence"?
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: b789 on August 26, 2025, 07:53:12 pm
Respond by email and CC yourself with the following:

Quote
Subject: Your email dated [insert date] – non-compliant response to Letter of Claim ([your ref])

Dear Sirs,

Your email of [insert date] is not a compliant response under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims (“PAPDC”). Directing me to a third-party “customer portal” does not discharge your obligations. You must provide the requested documents by ordinary means (email attachment or post). I will not register with, or accept service via, your portal.

For the avoidance of doubt:

1. Portal-only is improper. PAPDC para 5.1 requires you to provide documents and information upon request. Relegating disclosure to a gated portal is not compliance and is not good service. Please send the documents by return, attached to email or by post.
2. Your seven-day payment demand is untenable. The PAPDC prescribes 30 days for considered engagement, running from receipt of a compliant Letter of Claim and the provision of the documents reasonably requested. Your truncated deadline is ignored.
3. Outstanding documents (first requested 4 August 2025) – still not received by email/post:

• Signage evidence: contemporaneous photographs as displayed on the material date, including wording, placement, illumination, and driver-eye legibility.
• Exact clause(s) allegedly breached on the signs/terms relied upon.
• Landowner authority: the written agreement conferring authority to operate, issue PCNs, and litigate in your client’s name.
• Full quantum breakdown identifying whether the principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages and the basis (if any) for the £70 add-on, including whether VAT is applicable.
• PoFA 2012 compliance: the Notice to Keeper and all documents relied upon, including the specified period of parking required by paragraph 9(2)(a).

4. The £70 “debt recovery” add-on. You are already on notice that such uplifts are routinely found irrecoverable and an abuse of process in parking claims. Any attempt to rely on it will be opposed and may attract costs consequences.
5. Next steps. Until you comply fully with PAPDC paras 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 6(a)–(c) by serving the above documents by email or post, pre-action engagement is not complete. If you issue prematurely, I will seek an immediate stay and invite the court to impose sanctions under the Practice Direction on Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols, including paragraphs 13, 15(b) and 16. I also reserve the right to refer your conduct to the SRA under Principles 1, 2 and 5.

Please provide the documents within 7 days by email attachment (PDF) or post. I will not access your portal.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: LuAl22 on August 26, 2025, 05:49:33 pm
I received a response once again...

They are now directing me to their portal - is this to expected?

"We write in relation to the above matter.
Please liaise with us via our customer portal moving forward, as emails to our help inbox will not be addressed. Documentation requested has been uploaded to our portal.
 
We have also addressed your previous questions.
 
We ask that you make the full payment of £170.00 within 7 days of receipt of this email.
 
 
You can make payment in the following ways: 
Contact us on 0330 822 9950 (our opening times are Monday- Friday 9:00- 17:00);
portal.moorsidelegal.co.uk - Login to our portal
https://pay.moorside.legal - Quick Pay
 
 
If you fail to respond or make payment, we may be instructed by our client to issue legal proceedings against you. This will incur further costs and fees that will be added to the outstanding balance. You may wish to seek independent legal advice. 
 
 
Yours sincerely,
Moorside Legal
 

This email may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this email in error) please
notify the sender immediately and delete this email, together with any copies from your system. Any unauthorised use, copying, disclosure or
distribution of the material in this email is strictly forbidden and may be unlawful. Please note that neither Moorside Legal nor the sender accepts any
responsibility for viruses, and it is your responsibility to scan any attachments.
 
Moorside Legal Services Limited trading as Moorside Legal (1506947)
Authorised and regulated by the Solicitors Regulation Authority - SRA ID 8006077
Registered office address: Unit 101, Hollinwood Business Centre Albert Street, Failsworth, Oldham, England, OL8 3QL
© 2023 Moorside Legal Services Limited All Rights Reserved"
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: LuAl22 on August 18, 2025, 10:07:27 am
Thank you for your help so far.
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: b789 on August 13, 2025, 11:37:01 am
Their response is beyond a joke and reflects the utter incompetence within this bottom-dwelling firm of wannabe litigators.

I suggest you respond with the following email (remember to CC in yourself in all email correspondence):

Quote
Dear Sirs,

Your latest response is a classic example of procedural ineptitude. Despite being put on notice under the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims, you have once again failed to comply with even the most basic requirements of the Practice Direction.

Let me spell it out for you:

• You have not provided a single photograph of the signage allegedly forming the basis of your client’s contractual claim. A CCTV still of a vehicle proves nothing.
• You have failed to identify the specific clause(s) allegedly breached.
• You have refused to disclose the landowner agreement — an astonishing position given that your client’s standing to bring any claim hinges entirely on it.
• Your justification for the £70 charge is lifted wholesale from trade association boilerplate and fails to address whether it reflects actual incurred costs, damages, or consideration. You have also dodged the VAT question, again.

Your attempt to pass off this shambolic response as compliant is not merely laughable — it demonstrates a fundamental disregard for your duties under the Protocol and the Practice Direction. If this is the standard of legal work Moorside Legal considers acceptable, then I will have no hesitation in referring your conduct to the Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) for investigation under Principles 1, 2, and 5 of the SRA Standards and Regulations.

For the avoidance of doubt, the outstanding documents are listed in the annex to this letter. Until your client complies fully with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1, and 6(a)–(c) of the Protocol, I will not engage further. Should you issue proceedings prematurely, I will seek an immediate stay and invite the court to impose costs sanctions under paragraphs 13, 15(b), and 16 of the Practice Direction. I will also submit a formal complaint to the SRA, enclosing your correspondence as evidence of your firm’s disregard for professional obligations and procedural fairness.

You have seven days to remedy these failings. After that, I will consider your silence or continued non-compliance as wilful misconduct.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]

Annex – Outstanding Documents Requested 4 August 2025

1. Photographs of the signage as it was displayed on the site on the material date, showing wording, placement, lighting, and legibility from a driver’s perspective.
2. The exact contractual clause(s) allegedly breached.
3. The written agreement between your client and the landowner, establishing authority to operate, issue PCNs, and conduct litigation in their own name.
4. A complete breakdown of the sums claimed, identifying whether the principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and whether the £70 add-on includes VAT.
5. Evidence of PoFA 2012 compliance, including the specified “period of parking” under Paragraph 9(2)(a).
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: LuAl22 on August 13, 2025, 10:48:36 am
Morning folks, I got a response...wondering what to do next?

"We write in relation to the above matter, please see the attatched as requested.
The additional charge which has been levied on your Parking Charge of £70 is the amount set out in both the British Parking Association and International Parking Community Codes of Practice as the amount which may be added to a Parking Charge when a Parking Charge remains unpaid and when further recovery is required. Our Client is a member of the International Parking Community which is a government approved Accredited Trade Association (ATA) for Private Parking. Our Client adheres to the ATA’s Code of Practice. The £70 does not represent the cost of recovery but is a reasonable amount in relation to the Parking Charge amount, in order to encourage early payment of the Parking Charge without the need for debt recovery. It is a fair amount set by our Client’s government-approved Accredited Trade Association Code of Practice. There are however also costs incurred by our client in relation to debt recovery services.
 
 
By entering and parking the vehicle on our client's private land, you agreed to enter into a contract with our client and to be bound by the terms and conditions of that contract. The terms and conditions were clearly displayed at the entrance and in prominent places within the car park. Due to your failure to comply with the terms and conditions, our client has issued the PCN therefore if we are instructed to issue a claim the reason would be for Unpaid parking charges/ breach of contract.
It is unclear why you would need to inspect any agreement between our client and the landowner as you are not party to that agreement, not could it aid your dispute or any potential defence.

 

We ask that you make the full payment of £170.00 within 7 days of receipt of this email.
 
 
You can make payment in the following ways: 
Contact us on 0330 822 9950 (our opening times are Monday- Friday 9:00- 17:00);
portal.moorsidelegal.co.uk - Login to our portal
https://pay.moorside.legal - Quick Pay
 
 
If you fail to respond or make payment, we may be instructed by our client to issue legal proceedings against you. This will incur further costs and fees that will be added to the outstanding balance. You may wish to seek independent legal advice. 
 
 
Yours sincerely,
Moorside Legal"

I'm not sure what I expected to hear back, but I don't think it was this. They supplied a bunch of attachments as well, as requested.

Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: LuAl22 on August 05, 2025, 12:22:29 pm
Thanks, have done that. Will sit and wait for a response...
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: b789 on August 04, 2025, 05:23:37 pm
Just email the following too the dipsticks at Moorside at help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and CC yourself:

Quote
Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of evidence your client places reliance upon and thus is in complete contravention of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

As a firm of supposed solicitors, one would expect you to be capable of crafting a letter that aligns with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions do not exist for decoration—they exist to facilitate informed discussion and proportionate resolution. You might wish to reacquaint yourselves with them.

The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols (Part 3), stipulate that prior to proceedings, parties should have exchanged sufficient information to understand each other’s position. Part 6 helpfully clarifies that this includes disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.

Your template letter mentions a “contract”, yet fails to provide one. This would appear to undermine the only foundation upon which your client’s claim allegedly rests. It’s difficult to engage in meaningful pre-litigation dialogue when your side declines to furnish the very document it purports to enforce.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with the requirements of para 3.1 (a) of the Pre-Action Protocol, I shall then seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required by the Protocol. Thus, I require your client to comply with its obligations by sending me the following information/documents:

1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) that confirms any PoFA 2012 liability
2. A copy of the contract (or contracts) you allege exists between your client and the driver, in the form of an actual photograph of the sign you contend was at the location on the material date, not a generic stock image
3. The exact wording of the clause (or clauses) of the terms and conditions of the contract(s) which is (are) relied upon that you allege to have been breached
4. A copy of the original Notice To Keeper (NtK) as it was never received
5. The written agreement between your client and the landowner, establishing authority to enforce
6. A breakdown of the charges claimed, identifying whether the principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and whether the £70 “debt recovery” fee includes VAT

I am clearly entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. I also need it in order to comply with my own obligations under paragraph 6(b).

If your client does not provide me with this information then I put you on notice that I will be relying on the cases of Webb Resolutions Ltd v Waller Needham & Green [2012] EWHC 3529 (Ch), Daejan Investments Limited v The Park West Club Limited (Part 20) Buxton Associates [2003] EWHC 2872, Charles Church Developments Ltd v Stent Foundations Limited & Peter Dann Limited [2007] EWHC 855 in asking the court to impose sanctions on your client and to order a stay of the proceedings, pursuant to paragraphs 13, 15(b) and (c) and 16 of the Practice Direction, as referred to in paragraph 7.2 of the Protocol.

Until your client has complied with its obligations and provided this information, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim and to consider my position in relation to it, and it is entirely premature (and a waste of costs and court time) for your client to issue proceedings. Should your client do so, then I will seek an immediate stay pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order that this information is provided.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: LuAl22 on August 04, 2025, 02:08:59 pm
Thanks, I don't have the original, but the first follow up.

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Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: Dave65 on August 04, 2025, 02:01:03 pm
Do you still have the original PPN?

If so, as stated post up a copy with personal details redacted but leave dates.
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: LuAl22 on August 04, 2025, 01:27:28 pm
No, sorry.

The LBC was received recently, as dated.

The original "offence" and Parking Charge Notice is from April 24. I received many letters of intent prior to the Letter Before Claim but I was away for around 3 months and then opted to ignored them as I missed any suggested appeal timeframes.
Title: Re: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: jfollows on August 04, 2025, 01:24:16 pm
LBC from April 24 but only received 28/7/25?
Can you be more precise, are there two separate letters? OK, I think you mean PCN from April 24. Can you post here? Can you un-redact dates from everything?
Title: Letter Before Claim - Moorside Legal - PCN
Post by: LuAl22 on August 04, 2025, 01:07:20 pm
I have an LBC from Moorside Legal for a PCN from April 24.

Originally I was working away for some time so didn't pick up the letters and was unable to respond and opted to not respond to anything once I was back, including threats of bailiffs etc. It went quiet for a while and I thought it was done.

I have now received the LBC and seen and read various suggestions that I should reply with a very specific response as they are nothing more than "wannabe" legal terms.

I'd like to be sure I'm sending the right thing to the right place, is anyone able to assist and confirm what I should be sending please? I've read a lot of threads and comments and whilst it's overwhelming, I'd like to be sure I'm following the right lines.

I have seen this elsewhere - is this the right response to send? (attached)

Appreciate any assistance.

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