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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: concoj on August 03, 2025, 04:16:29 pm
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Tribunal website still playing up. Will not allow times to be chosen.
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Choose all of the times when you (or your representative) would prefer to have your hearing.
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I am e mailing them.
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[[The PCN clearly states: "If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £240 may be payable"]]
Two words are missing that changes everything: “fail to”.
“If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or (“fail to”) make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £240 may be payable". That was they intended to state (possibly)
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Tribunal website down for maintenance.
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Thanks so much for your willingness to help Hippocrates! I really appreciate it.
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IKEA it is.
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Torero, torero …
No me gusta BS!
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Torero, torero …
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https://youtube.com/shorts/py-ZPOpWarQ
Like the joke, they cannot tell the difference between the date and date of service. I have offered to pay half if I lose. This is what fame does to you. In any event, @concoj bought me a bottle of champagne which greeted me upon my arrival from my island in July. ;D
NOR: The PCN clearly states: "If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £240 may be payable"
Therefore, clearly advises you that if you do not make payment or a representation within 28 days of the date of this notice you may be liable for an increased charge.
This laughter is actually helping my sciatica.
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I have read the NOR. It is rather unhinged. Tribunal time as agreed. Kingston manager has transposed to Croydon? Can these people actually read and write?
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not surprised but awaiting Hippos return for further instructions
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Rejected sorry Hippocrates
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Many thanks.
"Online representation against a Penalty Charge Notice receipt.
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Dear Mr ...
Penalty Charge Notice Number: CR22907776
Vehicle Registration Number: NX18XAP
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF CORRESPONDENCE
Thank you for your recent correspondence regarding the issue of the above penalty charge notice.
Please note that it will be logged to the relevant team for investigation and they will respond in due course. The statutory response times are 56 for formal representations and 90 days for informal representations. Please note that the current amount due will be held whilst we are dealing with the matter."
The response times quoted are not statutory for the LLA & TfL Act 2003 which the PCN was issued under. The 56 days applies to formal reps under the Traffic Management Act 2004, and there is no statutory limit in either legislation for responding to informal representations, although most adjudicators would look askance at any response over 90 days (3 months), on the grounds of unfairness.
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Many thanks.
"Online representation against a Penalty Charge Notice receipt.
******* Please do not reply to this email *******
Dear Mr ...
Penalty Charge Notice Number: CR22907776
Vehicle Registration Number: NX18XAP
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF CORRESPONDENCE
Thank you for your recent correspondence regarding the issue of the above penalty charge notice.
Please note that it will be logged to the relevant team for investigation and they will respond in due course. The statutory response times are 56 for formal representations and 90 days for informal representations. Please note that the current amount due will be held whilst we are dealing with the matter."
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Send this fast.
1. The signage is unclear as the right hand one is facing the wrong direction to be seen.
2. I make this collateral challenge against the validity of the PCN as it is missing mandatory information as provided at Para. 4 (8 ) (v) of https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted
(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased
charge may be payable.
Clearly, this refers to Para. 4 (8 ) (iii):
(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning
with the date of the notice;
Therefore, it follows that the statement: If you fail to pay the Penalty Charge or make representations before the end of a period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice an increased charge of £240 may be payable. adds to the lack of clarity by its omission. Even on its own, whether the required information was included or not, it is also arguable that it conflates the two periods using the word "or" which many would view as being conjunctive. Furthermore, even if the statement were to be interpreted disjunctively, there is still no clarity due to the missing information.
In light of the above, I ask that the appeal be allowed.
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Thanks so much for your willingness to help Hippocrates! I really appreciate it.
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Amigo. I'll be back with a technical representation. Vale!
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https://imgur.com/a/1pUGxvb
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Ok I"LL, I thought I should start a new one to change the title.
What do think guys?
Advance Healthy School Street sign / No Left Turn warning sign including times/days is missing.
I believe we had this in the past and we can win this one. Councils are obliged to advise those restrictions, don’t you think?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/aCSTSPSmabWVAhTn6
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If you want to challenge this PCN stick to this thread as the evidence is already posted.
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Does anybody else have use of the car ?
YES 😂 mystery solved.
I allowed a relative to take my car for a little emergency on that day.
Thank you to everyone
I’ll close this post and open a new one.
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Does your car have the same colour paint, the same 5-spoke wheels and no sunroof?
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Looks like the rear side windows are tinted.
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Does anybody else have use of the car ?
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The spacing on the numberplate, check yours.
There also seems to be something in/on the rear window.
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It's a real PCN. Vehicle identified as a Toyota.
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Please post the video, the rest of the PCN, any Council photos and a photo of the rear of your vehicle.
Does the date on the video/photos match the date of alleged infraction on the PCN?
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It's possible that someone has cloned your numberplate. Is the car in the picture definitely yours, or are there visible differences?
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I received a PCN on a day that my car hasn't moved, how is that possible?
I checked my PAYG insurance payments and on this day my car didn't work.
Is that a fake PCN recording or a croydon council mistake ?!
Have anyone of you had same experience in the past?
How can I challenge this PCN. I'm getting mad about it as I check 3 times with my insurances and my phone records but everything shows that at the time of the PCN my car wasn't driving. I was working from home as I check my data and group chats
Please help
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