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Live cases legal advice => Speeding and other criminal offences => Topic started by: Wildon on July 31, 2025, 10:43:17 am
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Not the one I helped someone fill in within the last 6 months from Thames Valley Police.
But this one does (and it is, after all, the only one we're interested in). Since there is no indication that the recipient is anybody other than a named individual, "If applicable" must come into play.
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If you look at the NIP the first line of the address (which is not blanked out) is "The Company Secretary"
It says "To the Company Secretary (if applicable)"
I think they all say that.
Not the one I helped someone fill in within the last 6 months from Thames Valley Police.
It was addressed directly and soley to the individual who was the registered keeper.
It added on in a couple of lines adjacent to the individual and their address that "If the addresse is a limited company the requirement for driver details is for the Company Secretary"
It may be other Police forces have different policies.....
I think the question you have to ask yourself is whether you’re contributing to this thread in a meaningful way or not.
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If you look at the NIP the first line of the address (which is not blanked out) is "The Company Secretary"
It says "To the Company Secretary (if applicable)"
I think they all say that.
Not the one I helped someone fill in within the last 6 months from Thames Valley Police.
It was addressed directly and soley to the individual who was the registered keeper.
It added on in a couple of lines adjacent to the individual and their address that "If the addresse is a limited company the requirement for driver details is for the Company Secretary"
It may be other Police forces have different policies.....
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The OP doesn’t seem to want to overburden us with details. The “read this first” sticky might be of interest.
yep drip feeding info really works.. not
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How confident are you that your testimony that someone else said they didn't receive it would be accepted?
Which is of course hearsay evidence.
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I think that means the Company Secretary or a responsible person being a director of the Company (which might be you) has to reply on behalf of the Company, being the registered keeper, naming the driver on the occassion.
The driver will then get another personal NIP requiring them to to supply all their details.
You think wrong
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Proving you didn't receive something at an address you don't live at will be difficult at best.
You're just in COFP territory, £100 & 3 points. However should you take this to court and lose you would likely see 6 points, a fine of a weeks wages and prosecution costs.
How confident are you that your testimony that someone else said they didn't receive it would be accepted? You would only see the mail you were given by the occupants so you personally couldn't say it wasn't delivered.
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I moved out of my brothers house on the 23/05/2025 and changed address on V5. There has been no NIP sent to the previous address as I still check for any outstanding mail there.
Did you not think it necessary to mention in your opening post that you had changed the address on the V5C fewer than 14 days after the alleged offence?
Are you 100% certain that the original NIP was not sent to and received at your brother's address?
As others have said, make sure you reply to this request to identify the driver
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If you look at the NIP the first line of the address (which is not blanked out) is "The Company Secretary"
It says "To the Company Secretary (if applicable)"
I think they all say that.
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Thank you, I appreciate all the replies and help in understanding this. I will reply to the NIP with my details.
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Hi I am the registered keeper of the car and the details are correct.
If you look at the NIP the first line of the address (which is not blanked out) is "The Company Secretary"
So it looks to me as if a Ltd Company is the registered keeper.... rather than you as an individual.
I think that means the Company Secretary or a responsible person being a director of the Company (which might be you) has to reply on behalf of the Company, being the registered keeper, naming the driver on the occassion.
The driver will then get another personal NIP requiring them to to supply all their details.
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You are fortunate that the police made the effort to trace you. If they hadn't you may have found yourself facing a charge of "failing to provide driver's details".
Provided you do not have nine or more points you should be offered a fixed penalty (£100 and 3 points) but you need to respond to the request for driver's details asap. You have a defence if a NIP was not served on you within 14 days of the offence. To take advantage of that you will have to plead not guilty in court and face a trial.
The police are only obliged to prove that it was posted to your last known address in time to arrive within 14 days. If they do that, the onus falls on you to convince the court that it didn't.
The cost of failure is high. If convicted you will face a fine of a week's net income, a surcharge of 40% of that fine and prosecution costs of around £620. You will also face either a disqualification of up to 28 days or between 4 and 6 points (with six points being he most likely).
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I moved out of my brothers house on the 23/05/2025 and changed address on V5. There has been no NIP sent to the previous address as I still check for any outstanding mail there.
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Thank you, the issue date is 23/05/2025 and the address is correct.
OK, so 10 days after the alleged offence. The first NIP (the only one required by law) will have gone to whatever address was on the previous V5C. Was that different?
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Thank you, the issue date is 23/05/2025 and the address is correct.
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Bottom of page 2, in the 'official use box' it will have the doc ref number followed by a date in the form of DD MM YY. This will be the date it was issued.
And the address is correct on page 1 yes?
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Purchase date is 13/03/2022
Not sure where I find an issue date
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When did you purchase the car? What is the issue date on your V5C?
Edit. We have been previously told that the 'system' doesn't allow a NIP to be issued out of time. So outside of postal issues it is rare for a NIP to be 'late' as a result of a **** up. The amount of people that come on here saying they are the registered keeper when they mean they are the name on the lease is staggering. So we have to ask the most obvious of questions. If you can engage with more than one line answers you will get a lot more advice and a lot less questions.
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Hi I am the registered keeper of the car and the details are correct.
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The OP doesn’t seem to want to overburden us with details. The “read this first” sticky might be of interest.
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The request for driver details needs to be completed regardless. Failure to do so is a separate offence and not affected by any late NIP.
If the vehicle isn't leased or a company vehicle, or you haven't moved and failed to update your V5C we can look at what might have gone wrong and advise on the next course of action.
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It has to be served on the Registered Keeper.
Are you the Registered Keeper? i.e. do you have the V5C (logbook)? Are the details correct?
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What is your relationship to the vehicle?
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Hi
I have received the attached speeding ticket but it is for an offence in May and was recieved on 30th July. Don't they have to be received within 14 days of the offence.
All help appreciated
Thank you
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