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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Benj192 on July 30, 2025, 09:40:53 am

Title: Re: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: Benj192 on September 04, 2025, 03:05:21 pm
Just to let you know, NCP have replied to confirm that the charge has been cancelled.

Appreciate your help in saving me £100!
Title: Re: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: Benj192 on September 03, 2025, 10:30:44 am
Thank you for your help B789 and DWMB2, I really appreciate it. I have sent the appeal off, so lets see what their response is.
Title: Re: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: DWMB2 on September 02, 2025, 01:37:40 pm
Doesn’t matter if they included the required copies of the additional documents, as the alleged contravention occurred on non-relevant land and so PoFA cannot apply.
Quite right - brain fart, I'd completely missed that it's an airport.
Title: Re: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: b789 on September 02, 2025, 01:32:10 pm
Doesn’t matter if they included the required copies of the additional documents, as the alleged contravention occurred on non-relevant land and so PoFA cannot apply.

Simply appeal as the day to day Keeper with the following:

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I am the day to day keeper, authorised by the Hirer to appeal this PCN. NCP cannot hold a registered keeper/day to day keeper/hirer liable for any alleged contravention on land that is under statutory control. As a matter of fact and law, NCP will be well aware that they cannot use the PoFA provisions because Birmingham Airport is not 'relevant land'.

If Birmingham Airport wanted to hold owners or keepers liable under Airport Bylaws, that would be within the landowner's gift and another matter entirely. However, not only is that not pleaded, it is also not legally possible because NCP is not the Airport owner and your 'parking charge' is not and never attempts to be a penalty. It is created for NCP’s own profit (as opposed to a bylaws penalty that goes to the public purse) and NCP has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only.

The registered keeper/day to day keeper/hirer cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtH can only hold the driver liable. NCP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.
Title: Re: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: DWMB2 on September 01, 2025, 04:44:47 pm
Rather than summarising the content of the notice your company has received, can you please show us the letter? Can you please also confirm if any additional documents were sent to the company alongside the notice?

There's a guide to uploading images here: READ THIS FIRST - Private Parking Charges Forum guide (https://www.ftla.uk/private-parking-tickets/read-this-first-private-parking-charges-forum-guide/)
Title: Re: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: Benj192 on September 01, 2025, 04:33:05 pm
Good Afternoon everyone, NCP have now issued the Parking Charge to Hirer to my employer and it looks like I can appeal the charge on their website as the keeper of the vehicle. 

The letter states the below - Am I correct in thinking that this means that they do not know who the driver was but as they only 'invite' the keeper to name the driver, they actually have no legal route to compel us to name the driver - Making the charge unenforceable?

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The driver of the above vehicle is liable for a Parking Charge of £100. This charge relates
to the period of parking specified in this document, the charge having been incurred due to the
following breach of the terms and conditions of use: No Payment, and liability for the same having
been brought to the attention of the driver by clear signage in and around the site (Birmingham
Airport Drop off). The breach was recorded by an approved ANPR camera.

Payment is now required to the sum of £100, which must be paid no later than 28 days from the
date this Parking Charge is given. However, if payment is received within 14 days from the
date this Parking Charge is given, then a reduced amount of £60 will be accepted in full and
final settlement.

We, National Car Parks Limited, are the creditor. At the time of this notice we do not know both
the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver and invite the keeper / hirer:
(i) to pay the unpaid Parking Charge; or
(ii) if the keeper/hirer was not the driver of the vehicle, to notify the creditor of the name and a
current address for service for the driver and to pass the notice on to the driver


To appeal, I need to enter Appellant Details, where I can select that I am the vehicle's keeper at the time that the contravention occurred and then enter my name, address and contact details. There is then a text box to enter an appeal.

Please can you help with what to write for the appeal?

Thank you in advance.
Title: Re: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: b789 on July 30, 2025, 03:32:49 pm
You are not the Hirer. You are the day to day Keeper. However, your company, as the Hirer, can issue you a Letter of Authorisation (LoA) to enable you to deal with the matter as the day to day Keeper.

This can only be done if the Lease Company (Registered Keeper) invokes PoFA Schedule 4, Paragraph 11 to transfer liability to the Hirer (the company). This requires:

• A copy of the hire agreement.
• A statement of liability signed by or on behalf of the Hirer.
• A formal notification to the parking operator.

Once they have done that, the operator must issue a Notice to Hirer (NtH) to the company. Only once the company receive the NtH in their name, can they then issue the LoA to you, as the day to day Keeper of the vehicle to deal with the PCN.

Once liability is transferred, the company becomes the party the operator must pursue. You, the employee (Day-to-Day Keeper), have no standing unless the company provides a Letter of Authority (LoA).

As the vehicle can be driven by anyone, they have no idea who the driver was and the LoA should only refer to you as the day to day keeper. I suggest you tell your company to issue you with an LoA that contains the following once they receive the NtH in their name:

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[Company Letterhead] 
[Company Name] 
[Company Address] 
[Company Registration Number] 

[Date]

To Whom It May Concern,

Re: Authority to Act – Parking Charge Notice [Insert PCN Reference] 
Vehicle Registration: [Insert VRM]

We confirm that [Employee Full Name], residing at [Employee Address], is the authorised day-to-day keeper of the above vehicle, which is leased by [Company Name] from [Lease Company Name].

The vehicle is assigned to the employee for both business and personal use and remains in their possession at all times. As the Hirer, we hereby authorise [Employee Full Name] to act on behalf of [Company Name] in all matters relating to the above Parking Charge Notice, including but not limited to:

- Corresponding with the issuing parking operator 
- Submitting appeals or representations 
- Receiving and responding to further communications regarding this matter

This authority is granted solely for the purpose of resolving the above Parking Charge Notice and remains valid until the matter is concluded or revoked in writing.

Signed,

[Authorised Signatory Name] 
[Position] 
[Company Name] 
[Email Address] 
[Phone Number]

[Signature]




Title: Re: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: Benj192 on July 30, 2025, 03:01:25 pm
Out of interest, is anyone else permitted to drive the car you have been issued? For example, are you allowed to use it for non work purposes on days off? If so, can your partner or other member of your family drive the vehicle?

I ask because you MUST avoid your employer stating that you were the driver? Unless you are the exclusive driver of the vehicle, there could be a problem in what is otherwise a very easy PCN to get cancelled.

No one but you know who was the driver on the day. The lease company certainly don't know and the Hirer (your employer) won't know, unless you are the sole permitted driver.

The car is kept in my possession at all times and I am allowed to use the vehicle for personal use, as well as business use. The car is covered by the company's group car insurance. My employer has previously told me that anyone would be covered by the insurance to drive the vehicle but would prefer I limit it to myself and spouse only.

I have asked my employer to advise NCP that I am the hirer of the vehicle - Hopefully they do this and do not indicate the driver.
Title: Re: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: b789 on July 30, 2025, 01:05:57 pm
Out of interest, is anyone else permitted to drive the car you have been issued? For example, are you allowed to use it for non work purposes on days off? If so, can your partner or other member of your family drive the vehicle?

I ask because you MUST avoid your employer stating that you were the driver? Unless you are the exclusive driver of the vehicle, there could be a problem in what is otherwise a very easy PCN to get cancelled.

No one but you know who was the driver on the day. The lease company certainly don't know and the Hirer (your employer) won't know, unless you are the sole permitted driver.
Title: Re: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: Benj192 on July 30, 2025, 12:24:33 pm
Thank you for your help, I will ask my employer / the lease company to name me as the hirer and then wait and see what I receive in the post.

I will update this thread once the letter comes through.
Title: Re: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: DWMB2 on July 30, 2025, 12:10:48 pm
Even if they do supply all the requisite documents, Birmingham Airport isn't relevant land.
Title: Re: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: jfollows on July 30, 2025, 12:06:19 pm
When you receive a Notice to Hirer in your name from the parking company, it’s important to note what other documents accompany it. It’s likely there will be none, in which case you appeal on the basis that as hirer you can not be liable for the actions of the driver. You will get advice here, so come back and be clear about exactly what you receive.

Sections 13 and 14 of https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2012/9/schedule/4 give the legislation and its requirements.
Title: Re: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: Benj192 on July 30, 2025, 12:02:15 pm
Is the vehicle subsequently leased to you by your employer (like a salary sacrifice, or employment benefit etc.)? If so, the process should be roughly:
  • The lease company should name your employer as the hirer of the vehicle. At this point, they will receive a notice addressed to them.
  • Your employer can appeal directly (we can advise) or they then name you as the person hiring the vehicle from them, and you can appeal

Thank you. Yes, the car is leased to me by my employer as an employment benefit and the BIK is deducted from my monthly pay.

On point 2, I think my employer may be hesitant/unwilling to appeal the charge, so I think I will stand the best chance of them naming me as the person hiring the vehicle and appealing it myself.

I assume if they do name me, I will receive a notice addressed to myself - How do I best go about appealing this once received?
Title: Re: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: DWMB2 on July 30, 2025, 10:34:30 am
Is the vehicle subsequently leased to you by your employer (like a salary sacrifice, or employment benefit etc.)? If so, the process should be roughly:
Title: Re: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: Dave65 on July 30, 2025, 10:31:14 am
The lease company should inform NCP that it is a lease car and give the details of your employer to them, so a PPN could be sent to your employer.  This ends their responsibility to the charge.
Title: NCP Birmingham Airport drop off - Lease car
Post by: Benj192 on July 30, 2025, 09:40:53 am
I have just been made aware that my vehicle has received a parking ticket at the NCP free drop off area at Birmingham Airport - You get 10 minutes free but they have provided photos of my vehicle leaving 13 minutes after entering.


I am not the registered keeper of the vehicle - My employer leases it as a company car and I am the only driver of it. The lease company has forwarded the parking charge to my employer but it looks like this is still addressed to the lease company, though I do not know at this stage if they have notified NCP who the driver was at the time.


It looks like the lease company did not send us the parking charge when it first arrived and they are only just making us aware now that they have received a final reminder from NCP.


Any advice would be greatly appreciated.