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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: esoolimes on July 24, 2025, 09:40:12 pm
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Thanks. Let's see what the OP's contact with TEC reveals.
We still don't know why they extended the payment period. I think that the horse named 'we found an address through other channels but were not certain that this was the owner's address until we sent the NoE to which they responded after which we notified the council to change the address on the warrant and added extra days to the payment period while this was being effected' is still a runner. An outside bet, but still a runner.
Over to you OP.
But pl pay them.
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@Enceladus, Would re-sealing give rise to a new date for the warrant of control?
OP, pl don't let this stop you paying.
My understanding is that no it wouldn't. The Enforcement Authority applies to the TEC for a warrant which is called a Local Authority Warrant of Control. In most cases the TEC seems to process these the same day. And (virtually) seals the warrant request and informs the EA. The warrant is valid for a year.
If it transpires that the warrant is unenforceable at the address stated, then the EA can apply to have the existing warrant re-sealed with a new address. Hence the terms seal and re-seal. The clock remains running from the original date.
Since the original warrant expires after a year the EA would need to re-apply to the TEC for a new warrant to continue to enforce.
In theory, in order to have a warrant re-sealed the EA is supposed to adduce evidence, to the TEC, to confirm that the new address is correct and relates to the person or entity named on the warrant. Hence they can't just look at the phone book (if there still is one).
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@Enceladus, Would re-sealing give rise to a new date for the warrant of control?
OP, pl don't let this stop you paying.
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Phone the Traffic Enforcement Centre helpdesk at Northampton County Court.
Traffic Enforcement Centre 0300 123 1059 / Opening Times Telephone Monday to Friday, 9am to 5pm
Ask them to confirm the address used on the (Local Authority) Warrant of Control that was sealed (issued) on the 5th June? They'll ask for the postcode.
And ask them to confirm when the warrant was re-sealed with your current address? I expect a day or two before the 26th June. Likewise they'll ask for the postcode.
The NoE, that has the OPs current address, was issued on the 26th June. It tells us that the (Local Authority) Warrant of Control was issued on the 5th June. The warrant is an electronic authorisation from the TEC to the Council and from the Council to the contracted Enforcement Agents. The NoE is generated by the Enforcement Agents (Bailiffs) almost immediately, usually within 1 or 2 working days.
So the probability is that the Council applied to the TEC to have the warrant re-sealed with the current address sometime before the 26th June. And that the £75 levied is correct. But it's certainly worth checking.
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Just pay the 'debt' and then come back here.
We need to look at whether you could recover the 'compliance' fee of £75 which has been added to the penalty by the agent when they sent the Notice of Enforcement. You would need to discover when the agent possessed a warrant with your correct details.
But pay first.
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thanks guys, been an epic fail on my part.. and the driver of my car ::)
Time for a "discussion" on payment with your driver, I think
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thanks guys, been an epic fail on my part.. and the driver of my car ::)
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to be honest i didn't know i had to change the address on the v5c, thought changing my license was enough
Oh dear, oh dear, how many times have I seen this on here and also the old Pepipoo site (now shut down). Personally, I'm convinced it has got far more common due to the abolition of the VED tax disc we used to fix to the inside of our windscreens; at least people had a clear reason to keep the address up-to-date.
Anyway, any OOT SD you submit will inevitably fail because the council can object to it, and you have no good reason to explain the late update. So I think paying as soon as you can to avoid the £235 visit fee is your best option, sorry to have to say it.
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I would advise you not to rely on anything Newlyn said verbally. Only if you have it in writing.
If you pay the Notice of Enforcement as is, then the bill is capped at £280. However if the bailiff visits then they can and will charge an additional enforcement fee of £235. So that's a total loss of £515 to your wallet. And they will clamp your car if they can find it.
Try and pay the £280. You can still file a Statutory Declaration and an Out of Time application to attempt to get the enforcement process reset which, if successful, would get the £280 (temporarily) refunded. Even then the PCN would be still live. It is unlikely you would succeed with your OOT as you don't seem to have any good reason for not updating the Registered Keeper details in a timely manner.
The probability is that £280 is the best you can do.
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Wrong approach.
You cannot challenge the PCN/NTO neither do you have access to the adjudicator, so evidence is neither here nor there.
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not paid yet, still talking to council to get the evidence ;D
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Which means that the agent carried out a trace and discovered your new address.
It's also likely that the extended payment period is to do with them notifying the council that the warrant is made out to the wrong address which in law would prevent them from seizing property at that address but would not prevent them seizing any car you have.
Anyway, have you paid?
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my new address, thats how i found out i even had ticket
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What address is on the NoE?
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thanks guys
as soon i saw the letter i knew i had to pay especially as it was my fault for not changing the address.
all i wanted to do was see the evidence before paying.
to be honest i didn't know i had to change the address on the v5c, thought changing my license was enough ..doh!
the only reason i changed the address was because my car was stolen in may and police told me that my vehicle isn't registered to the address i was telling them and told me to get that changed asap ..
also i didn't know this website existed until yesterday.
I called newlyns directly and they said they can defer the payment till 30th
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+1.
The NoE states that payment is required by 17 July.
What do you have in writing that delays this until a later date?
And, as the NoE was issued in June and you've only come here now it raises the question as to what address in on the NoE, your current address, you pre-May 2025 address or your pre-July 2024 address??
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You are yet another OP coming on this forum who has failed to keep the address on their V5C Registration Certificate for the vehicle up-to-date. We see this situation very often, annd it is very difficult to overcome it.
You say you moved house in July 2024, but didn't update your V5C until May 2025, 10 months later. It is your legal duty to keep your details up-to-date. What has happened is you contravened a traffic sign on 8th January. The council will have recorded this using CCTV, and when the registration number is determined, will obtain the name and address of the vehicle keeper from DVLA and issue a PCN to that name and address. It would seem you did not set up any mail redirection, so all enforcement documents were sent to your old address. These are: -
- PCN (postal)
- Charge Certificate (adds 50% when no response received for PCN, <pay or appeal>
- Order for Recovery (adds £10, the TEC fee. TEC is the "court" but has no judges or courtrooms)
When no response is received for the OfR, the council then instruct bailiffs to find you. They are very diligent in this task because their livelihood depends on it. The first stage is what you have in front of you, a Notice of Enforcement. This adds £75 to the amount you owe the council. If this is ignored, they will visit the address they have found and add a further £235 on. These sums are not made-up, they are statutory.
Our normal recommendation is that with thhe sum at the level it is, it is best for you to pay the bailiffs to avoid getting the £235 added on. Why ? Because there is a legal process to get the matter reverted to the PCN stage called an Out-of-Time Statutory Declaration. However, the circumstances you have described in your narrative are, as they stand, very unlikely to get the matter reverted, because you didn't keep your V5C up-to-date. However, if you tell us more about why you were so tardy in updating the V5C, it could well strengthen your SD submission.
So over to you
Edit
I forgot to mention that bailiffs can only seize goods at the address on the warrant. However, they can also seize goods that are on the public highway. So your car is at risk of seizure.
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i called newlyns and told them i'm awaiting evidence and delayed the payment
need to pay 280 by 30th of july
i just want to see the evidence if it was really contravened, not looking to find a loophole for that
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What amount are the enforcement agents demanding..
..and by when?
Forget evidence and the council, deal with the NoE.
In fact, post both sides of the NoE.
Pl, pl forget about the contravention and trying to think of a defence for the moment, you are now involved in a different procedure.
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Hi,
I moved houses july 2024,
the Date and time of recorded contravention: 8th January, 2025 at 8:41 PM
i hadn't changed my address on my car document so it was still going to the old address, i recently changed my address on May 2025
on 26th June 2025 I received notice of enforcement for a PCN - AF30369475
Contravention: (38l) Failing to comply with a sign indicating that vehicular traffic must pass to the specified side of the sign
Car Park / Street Name: LONGWOOD GARDENS
does notice of enforcement from Newlyn mean its gone to court? they are threatening me with seizing my belongings if i don't pay.
I am now trying to get the evidence from the council - redbridge - but their website says ticket numbers starting with AF03 is under maintenance for whole month.
what do i do? can i get the evidence after its been this long?
i have read that not changing my address is my fault and that is not a tenable.