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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Ayesha on July 21, 2025, 07:32:31 pm
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Currently they have website issues and have cancelled and/or not adduced evidence in 3 cases in the last couple of weeks.
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I guess they have to make up something!
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What a load of tosh their letter is, (apart from the sentence cancelling your PCN) !
Councils are so fond of quoting the Highway Code, they seem to think what is says is the law. They are entirely wrong. The law is that if one enters a YBJ, and is forced to stop within it due to the presence of stationary vehicle, an offence is committed. If one stops in a YBJ because a dog runs out in front of you, no offence is committed.
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That’s what I thought too!
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Good news, thanks for coming back to confirm.
The letter itself is a bunch of nonsense. Redbridge do not cancel simply out of goodwill. They have cancelled either as they realised you were correct, or because they have realised they've messed up in some way.
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This is their response.
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Mr Chips,
Thank you so much for the response, they let me off.
I will attach the response below
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Without those, it's impossible to access the council's evidence.
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Why is the reg and PCN number required when all the other essential details are on the document?
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The video isn't in this thread neither is the PCN no. nor the VRM.
The external link to the video doesn't work.
Not really a lot to go on.
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You've redacted yr Reg mark and PCN number?
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I have attached the PCN.
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OP, where is the PCN, all you've posted are snippets but we need the full document less your personal details but leave in the PCN details and your VRM.
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Thank you Mr Chips.
I will let you know and the others on this thread how I get on.
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Here you go. Even though it is clear a contravention has not taken place, do not be surprised if Redbridge think otherwise as they are motivated more by the potential money on offer than their duty to act fairly. Please come back to update this thread once you get either a notice of acceptance or rejection of your representations and if it's the latter we'll help you win at the next stage. Also, when submitting the text below, get a screenshot while you do so just in case they later claim you did not submit anything (rare but does happen).
For attention of London Borough of Redbridge
I wish to submit representations against this PCN on the grounds that the contravention did not occur.
No requirement to stop within box junction for stationary vehicles
As can be seen in your video footage, my vehicle enters the box junction in order to turn left out of Ilford Lane. The road I turn into is relatively narrow and has parked vehicles on either side near to the junction such that there is only space for a single line of traffic to pass through. As my vehicle made the turn I saw that there was another vehicle approaching the junction towards me and so I paused to allow that car space to travel through or else I would have blocked its exit from the side road completely. That other vehicle was not stationary and as such no box junction contravention can have occurred as a contravention requires a stop due to stationary vehicles. Notwithstanding this, I also did not have to stop in the box junction (another necessary condition for a contravention to occur) as I could have moved forward and out of the box junction (the video show ample space for me to do so). I only stayed where I did out of courtesy for the car coming towards me.
For these reasons I trust the PCN will therefore be cancelled.
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Yes, it was.
The date of the PCN is the 17th July.
Thank you.
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Can you confirm the date of the PCN and that it's addressed to you (as opposed to a family member, or lease company for example)? I'll happily draft something for you.
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I’m not sure how to word the appeal. Do you have a one/two liner o could use?
TIA
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Although they could argue I could have moved away and stayed behind the green car
If they argue that, it's an automatic win for you because the offence involves being forced to stop in the yellow box. Having the option to move out means no offence could have occurred.
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Although they could argue I could have moved away and stayed behind the green car
They can argue all they like, the video is the sole evidence and doesn't show a contravention.
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Although they could argue I could have moved away and stayed behind the green car
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The video stops at the point when a car emerges from the street, and it seems pretty obvious you stopped to let this car come forward, before being able to proceed down that street. There was certainly no contravention whatsoever shown on the video. This has to be a close match to a slam-dunk win at London Tribunals, surely ?
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Here is the alleged parking contravention
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In fact, I can no longer find the post.
I’m not sure why Admin deleted it.
I have re-posted the video.
Here is the link
https://www.facebook.com/share/v/19mWZmDadK/?
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Can you provide a link to the Facebook thread please - I simply can't see it.
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Hi Mr Chips,
The video is still on Facebook.
Incandescent-thank you.
As I mentioned on my Facebook post, I cannot remember why I was waiting by the box but I was thinking I had enough space to wait behind the green stationary car but there must have been some reason for me to do what I did!
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I looked at this on Facebook, and it's totally clear it is a money-grubbing PCN because the statute is that the vehicle has to stop due to the presence of stationary vehicles. This was pointed out in the thread. The OP stopped because a vehicle was coming towards her in the wrong lane due, (I think), to parked cars further up the street. As I recall, I recommended creating a thread on here, and here it is !
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Hi Ayesha - I think you posted this case on the Forum's Facebook page? The video clearly shows you turn left into the side road and wait there while an oncoming vehicle passes through as there isn't enough space for two vehicles to pass. That is not a contravention so you should be able to beat the PCN.
I would link back to the Facebook page which had the video but it has disappeared - did you delete it?
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Post the PCN redacting only name and address and also post the PCN number and car VRM.
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Dear All,
I have received a PCN for stopping on a box junction (not completely in the box).
I cannot fully remember what happened that day but there was a car parked on the left and an upcoming car coming towards me and I couldn’t fully turn into the road.
Could I challenge this?
Im unable to load the video as the file is too big.
Any advice would be appreciated.
TIA
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