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Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: DWMB2 on January 12, 2026, 07:23:01 pm
That looks like a decent draft.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: jfollows on January 12, 2026, 07:19:30 pm
@b789 has not been active here since 3 January.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on January 12, 2026, 05:59:10 pm
@everyone any feedback on the draft, the 28 days deadline to respond is not too far?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on January 09, 2026, 06:34:21 pm
Hi all,

I have drafted a response to send via email to enforcement@parkingeye.co.uk.

Can you please review and suggest any amends if needed before I send them?

Thanks in advance.

================================Draft
I write in response to your Letter Before County Court Claim. I dispute your client’s claim in its entirety and no debt is admitted.

1. No breach – vehicle engaged in loading/unloading, not parking

At all material times the vehicle was engaged in legitimate loading/unloading activity in the course of making deliveries to residents. Temporary stopping for this purpose does not constitute “parking” in law.

This position is supported by the persuasive and directly applicable authority of Jopson v Homeguard Services Ltd [2016] B9GF0A9E, in which HHJ Harris QC held that brief stopping for loading/unloading is not parking and falls outside the scope of typical private parking restrictions, particularly in residential settings. That judgment expressly distinguishes ParkingEye v Beavis and remains routinely relied upon at County Court level.

Your reliance on ANPR entry/exit timestamps is legally and evidentially insufficient. ANPR does not evidence any stationary period, unattended vehicle, or acceptance of contractual terms. No parking event is proved, and accordingly no contract was formed and no breach occurred.

2. Beavis is wholly distinguishable

ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 concerned a retail car park with a clear commercial justification related to space turnover. This case concerns a residential housing association site and a vehicle engaged in necessary delivery activity. There is no legitimate interest in penalising unloading, and any attempt to rely on Beavis is misconceived.

3. Unfair and prohibitive signage

Signage at the site is prohibitive (“Residents only”) and makes no provision whatsoever for deliveries. Such signage is incapable of forming a contract with delivery drivers and fails the transparency and fairness requirements under sections 62–68 Consumer Rights Act 2015. A prohibitive notice can only sound in trespass (which your client has no standing to pursue), not contract.

4. Abuse of process – unlawful double recovery

The additional £30 claimed is expressly disputed. The Supreme Court in Beavis confirmed that the parking charge itself includes the operator’s costs of enforcement. Any further sum constitutes double recovery and is unrecoverable, as consistently held in County Court authorities (including, inter alia, Excel v Wilkinson).

Even if (which is denied) any parking charge were due, the maximum recoverable sum would be the original £100, and that too is denied for the reasons set out above.

5. POPLA decision not determinative

You are no doubt aware that POPLA decisions are not binding on the courts. POPLA failed to apply Jopson correctly and applied Beavis indiscriminately. The court will determine the matter afresh on the evidence and law.

6. Pre-Action position

In light of the above, your client has no reasonable prospects of success. Should proceedings be issued, I will seek an immediate strike-out or summary judgment and will rely on this correspondence when the court considers costs under CPR 27.14(2)(g).

I therefore invite you to confirm, within 14 days, that the claim is discontinued. Any further pursuit will be robustly defended.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: DWMB2 on January 09, 2026, 11:03:20 am
Do not use their forms or paperwork. Instead, reply in the form of a letter, sent by email to the email address at the bottom of the Letter Before Claim. I'd keep your response to the point - set out that you dispute their claim in its entirety, with your position remaining that the vehicle was engaged in loading, supported by the persuasive appeal case of Jopson v Homeguard. You should also dispute the £30 charge as an attempt at double recovery, the £100 charge should include the cost of debt recovery.

Do feel free to show us a draft, and if you do some searching on here for other examples of responses to letters of claim you can take inspiration from them.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on January 09, 2026, 10:38:46 am
@b789 I hope you are well.

Can I please get some help on the next step regarding the notice of claim I've received?

Front: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dHSMD_Z55_N27woCi8IfRO3bNCd6xHlC/view?usp=drive_link
Back: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cfqdcoGsimiNMW5L0QBv0tjAZ8J3KtFB/view?usp=drive_link

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on January 06, 2026, 03:15:35 pm
Can someone please suggest what should be the next step from this point onward, getting a bit nervous...
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: DWMB2 on January 04, 2026, 01:02:36 pm
You might want to hide your home address from that document.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: InterCity125 on January 04, 2026, 08:57:33 am
This is the Letter of Claim you have been waiting for.

Wait for further advice as the LoC is totally inadequate.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on January 03, 2026, 08:58:19 pm
Hi all,

Happy new year, I hope all of you had good break.

I have received a letter today, I'm not able to figure out if it's a Letter of Claim or not.

Front: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dHSMD_Z55_N27woCi8IfRO3bNCd6xHlC/view?usp=drive_link
Back: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cfqdcoGsimiNMW5L0QBv0tjAZ8J3KtFB/view?usp=drive_link

They have referred in the letter to read paragraph 8 which talks about a supreme court case of Mr Beavis which they think is the basis for them to get a verdict in county court?

I thought I get input from wise and not just simply ignore it

Also if it's not Letter of Claim, will it come from court or some nominated agency of Parkingeye?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: b789 on November 24, 2025, 06:46:59 pm
Having subsequently sold the vehicle has no effect on anything. They have the Keeper details and that is all they need.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: jfollows on November 24, 2025, 06:36:29 pm
The LoC will be sent to the registered keeper using the details obtained from the DVLA by the claimant parking company originally. They’re actually not allowed to ask for this information more than once anyway.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on November 24, 2025, 06:31:18 pm
@b789, I have submitted the complaint using the form on this page:
https://popla.pages.dev/contact

The van was an electric one and my brother was fed up due to repeated theft of charging cables (London you can expect anything and everything) and we have sold the Van over weekend, does the sale of Van play any role going forward? or we still wait for Letter of Claim (LoC)?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: b789 on November 21, 2025, 06:37:53 am
Typical of a moronic and intellectually malnourished, poorly trained POPLA assessors. Do not pay. The decision is not binding on you.

This will never reach a hearing in court if you follow the advice. This will be farmed out to DCBL for debt recovery and DCB Legsl to issue a claim.

You can safely ignore all debt recovery letters. They are powerless to do anything except to try and intimidate the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree into paying out of ignorance and fear.

Come back when you receive a Letter of Claim (LoC). In the meantime. You should send a formal complaint to POPLA for this obvious failure to address the appeal properly. Not that they will ever reverse a decision, even when they acknowledge they were wrong, but for the record.

Send the following to POPLA:

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FORMAL COMPLAINT – REQUEST FOR INVESTIGATION INTO ASSESSOR MISCONDUCT, GROSS INCOMPETENCE, AND PROCEDURAL FAILURE

POPLA Verification Code: 6062555711
Assessor: Nazia Mohammed
Decision Date: 20/11/2025

To the POPLA Complaints Team,

I am submitting this formal complaint regarding the conduct and competence of POPLA assessor Nazia Mohammed. After reviewing her decision in full, it is clear that the assessor failed to apply even the most basic principles of evidence assessment, failed to engage with the statutory framework, and made findings that are factually and legally impossible. The standard displayed in this assessment is so poor that it raises serious questions about the integrity and reliability of POPLA’s decision-making process.

This complaint is not about the outcome. I am fully aware POPLA does not overturn decisions. This complaint is about the assessor’s fundamental inability to correctly interpret evidence, apply the law, or demonstrate even minimal professional competence. The response to this complaint will be forwarded in full to my Member of Parliament and the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government, as this level of failure requires external scrutiny.

1. The assessor misapplied PoFA against the operator’s own evidence
The operator explicitly stated in its evidence pack: “Please be advised, this Parking Charge was not issued under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.”
This is an unequivocal statement. It means there is no keeper liability. It means only the driver could be pursued. It means POPLA should have allowed the appeal immediately.

However, the assessor instead wrote:

In this case, the PCN in question has the necessary information, and the parking operator has therefore successfully transferred the liability onto the registered keeper.

This is not a misunderstanding. It is a direct contradiction of the operator’s own position. The assessor invented legal applicability where none existed and declared keeper liability where it was legally impossible. This alone demonstrates a complete collapse of the decision-making process.

2. The assessor failed to evaluate PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 9(2)(e)(i)
I raised that the Notice to Keeper did not include the statutory requirement to “invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges”. The operator did not dispute this. The assessor ignored it entirely. Instead, she relied on the fiction that PoFA applied at all, which the operator had already disavowed.

3. The assessor failed to evaluate PoFA Schedule 4 paragraph 9(2)(a)
The Notice to Keeper does not specify any period of parking. It only contains ANPR timestamps, which PoFA expressly rejects as insufficient. This was a central point of appeal, and the assessor again ignored it.

4. The assessor disregarded Jopson v Homeguard
I cited binding persuasive authority confirming that unloading is not parking. The assessor did not distinguish it, apply it, acknowledge it, or appear even to recognise it. This omission indicates either a lack of legal understanding or a refusal to engage with relevant authorities. Neither is acceptable in an adjudicative role.

5. The assessor demonstrated a complete failure to apply the Private Parking Single Code of Practice
I raised breaches of the consideration period requirement, the grace period requirement, and the landowner authority requirements. The assessor failed to meaningfully address any of these. Her reasoning shows no understanding of the Code beyond quoting generalities. She failed to assess the site’s “0 hours 0 minutes allowed” condition against mandatory provisions.

6. The assessor accepted defective and incomplete landowner authority without scrutiny
The operator submitted redacted documents lacking several mandatory elements required by PPSCoP section 14. The assessor declared herself “satisfied” without performing any analysis or referencing the requirements. This is not assessment; it is rubber-stamping.

7. The assessor’s reasoning is illogical and internally inconsistent
The assessor claimed the appellant “entered into a contract” by “remaining on site for 23 minutes”, ignoring the fact that contract formation cannot occur until terms are communicated, and that contractual terms cannot be enforced where PoFA is not engaged and the identity of the driver is unknown. She contradicted her own quoted Code sections and ignored the prohibition-based nature of the signage.

8. The decision demonstrates a level of incompetence that undermines POPLA’s credibility
The decision displays:
• Failure to consider evidence
• Failure to consider statutory requirements
• Misapplication of PoFA
• Refusal to engage with case law
• No evaluation of contractual formation
• No evaluation of landowner authority
• No evaluation of grace or consideration periods
• Internal contradictions
• Incorrect statements of law
• Incorrect statements of fact

This is not the work of a competent assessor. It brings POPLA’s process into disrepute.

Requested action
Given the seriousness of these failures, I request:
1. A formal investigation into the competence and conduct of assessor Nazia Mohammed.
2. Confirmation of what legal training assessors receive before ruling on PoFA matters.
3. A detailed explanation of how an assessor can apply PoFA where the operator expressly stated it was not used.
4. A full review of this assessor’s decisions for similar errors.
Confirmation that this complaint will be retained for audit and provided to MHCLG if requested.

Next steps
Your response will be forwarded to my MP and the Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government as evidence of systemic inadequacy within the POPLA adjudication process.

I expect a full, detailed reply addressing each point above.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Name]
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on November 20, 2025, 06:00:17 pm
Hi all,

POPLA rejected the appeal :(, here is the link to decision:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OfBwOhF2H7OJjucw1VgPspAm_GF2e-da/view?usp=drive_link

What should be our next step?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on October 14, 2025, 10:22:55 am
Thanks all for your suggestions, @b789 thanks to you for reviewing and polishing the draft, much appreciated.

I have submitted the rebuttal, Ill keep you all informed when I receive the outcome.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: b789 on October 13, 2025, 08:43:23 pm
That’s an excellent and well-structured POPLA rebuttal — it’s clear, thorough, and framed in the precise evidential and legal context POPLA expects. It hits every necessary point that ParkingEye failed to address, including the core Jopson principle, lack of PoFA reliance, absence of evidence of parking, defective signage, lack of standing, and irrelevance of Beavis.

Here are just a few light refinements to strengthen it before submission:

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1. Delivery/unloading is not “parking”

The operator’s evidence fails to rebut the central issue: the vehicle was engaged in legitimate parcel deliveries to residents. This was brief unloading, not parking.

In Jopson v Homeguard Services Ltd [2016] B9GF0A9E (HHJ Harris QC, Oxford County Court appeal), the court held that temporary stopping for loading or unloading does not constitute parking. The decision expressly refers to delivery vans and is binding persuasive authority at this level.

The operator relies only on ANPR entry and exit timestamps (17:18 to 17:42). ANPR does not identify any stationary period or unattended vehicle and cannot prove parking. The vehicle was moving between buildings while deliveries were made. POPLA must therefore find that no parking contract arose and no contravention occurred.

2. Signage – no allowance for deliveries or visitors

The operator’s photos confirm signage limited to “Residents Only”. There is no wording accommodating deliveries, tradespeople, or visitors. Such total prohibition is ambiguous and unfair to lawful delivery drivers.

Under the Consumer Rights Act 2015 sections 62 to 68, terms must be fair and transparent. No reasonable driver could have understood that brief unloading for residents would incur a £100 penalty.

Further, under Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking [1971] 2 QB 163, a contract cannot be formed unless the terms are communicated before entry. No evidence shows that the terms were legible or even visible to a delivery driver entering the site. Hence, no fair or transparent contract was formed.

3. Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) – breach of fairness and grace requirements

The operator claims compliance with the Single Code, but their own evidence proves otherwise.

Section 5.1 of the PPSCoP requires a consideration period to allow drivers to read terms and decide whether to stay. Section 5.2 requires a minimum 10-minute grace period at the end of a parking session.

Here, the alleged “stay” was only 23 minutes and includes time for arrival, unloading, and departure. The operator’s data table lists “Time Allowed 0 hours 0 minutes”, demonstrating there was no allowance at all, breaching both sections 5.1 and 5.2 and the Code’s fairness principles.

4. No keeper liability – operator admits PoFA not used
The operator’s own evidence states in their 'Additional information' in their evidence pack: “PLEASE BE ADVISED, THIS PARKING CHARGE WAS NOT ISSUED UNDER THE PROTECTION OF FREEDOMS ACT 2012.” That statement ends the matter. If PoFA is not used, only the driver could be liable. As the appellant is the registered keeper and has not been identified as the driver, POPLA must allow the appeal.

5. No standing / defective landowner authority

The operator provides only a heavily redacted “Order Form” rather than a full contemporaneous, site-specific agreement compliant with PPSCoP section 14.1(a) to (j). The redacted document omits:

- the landowner’s full identity and signature;
- the unredacted boundaries of the controlled land;
- clear terms defining the operator’s authority to issue and enforce PCNs.

The PPSCoP makes these items mandatory. Without a complete and dated agreement evidencing the landowner’s consent, ParkingEye has no legal standing to issue or pursue this charge.

6. Beavis is distinguishable

ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 concerned a retail park where a charge served a commercial interest in space turnover. Here, the site is a residential housing association estate and the driver was conducting a necessary delivery. There is no comparable commercial or deterrent interest, and the charge serves no legitimate purpose beyond punishment.

7. Summary

- No period of parking evidenced – only entry/exit timestamps.
- Jopson v Homeguard confirms unloading is not parking.
- Signage is prohibitive and fails Consumer Rights Act standards.
- Operator admits PoFA not invoked – keeper not liable.
- Landowner authority not proven in accordance with PPSCoP.
- Beavis distinguished – no legitimate interest in penalising deliveries.
- PPSCoP grace and fairness provisions breached.

For all these reasons, the appeal should be upheld and the Parking Charge cancelled.

That version reads fluently, tracks POPLA’s reasoning flow, and keeps every statutory and case citation relevant. It’s ready to paste directly into the POPLA comment box.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on October 13, 2025, 06:39:30 pm
This is the draft I'm planning to submit?
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I. Delivery/unloading is not “parking”

The operator has failed to rebut the core issue: the vehicle was engaged in parcel deliveries to residents, a brief unloading activity, not parking.

In Jopson v Homeguard Services Ltd [2016] B9GF0A9E, HHJ Harris QC held that:

“Parking” is not the same as “stopping”; temporary stopping for the purpose of delivery or loading/unloading is not parking.

The operator’s evidence shows only ANPR entry and exit times (17:18 to 17:42) — but ANPR cannot show any period of stationary parking. The vehicle was moving between buildings for deliveries. There is no evidence of the vehicle being left unattended or parked. POPLA must apply Jopson and conclude that no contract to “park” was formed, and therefore no contravention occurred.

II. Signage – no allowance for deliveries or visitors

The operator’s own evidence shows signage referring only to “Residents Only”.
Nowhere does it state that delivery vehicles, tradespeople, or short-term visitors are permitted or given instructions for lawful unloading. This omission makes the signage ambiguous, unreasonable, and incapable of forming a fair contract.

This falls foul of Consumer Rights Act 2015, ss.62–68 (terms must be fair and transparent). A reasonable driver performing a legitimate delivery to residents could not have consented to a £100 penalty simply for briefly stopping.

Further, under Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking [1971] 2 QB 163, contractual terms must be brought to the driver’s attention before the contract is formed. No signage was visible or readable from a moving delivery van at the point of entry, especially when the driver’s purpose was to reach residents for a delivery.

Because the signage did not give any reasonable notice or mechanism for legitimate delivery stops, no fair contract was formed.

III. Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP) – breach of fairness and grace requirements

The operator claims compliance with the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice, yet the evidence contradicts this.

Section 5.1 requires a consideration period to allow drivers to read signs and decide whether to stay.
Section 5.2 requires a minimum 10-minute grace period at the end of parking.

However, the operator issued a charge for a total stay of only 23 minutes, which includes arrival, parcel delivery to multiple flats, and departure. This was within a reasonable grace/unloading period and clearly consistent with legitimate short-stay activity.
Their claim of “0 hours 0 minutes allowed” shows a failure to provide any consideration or grace period, breaching PPSCoP and BPA standards of fairness.

IV. No keeper liability – operator admits PoFA not used

ParkingEye explicitly admits in their evidence pack:

“Please be advised, this Parking Charge was not issued under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012.”

Accordingly, the keeper cannot be held liable. Only the driver could be pursued. As the appellant is the keeper and has not identified the driver, POPLA must allow the appeal on this ground alone.

V. No standing / defective landowner authority

The operator provides only a generic “Letter of Authority”, not a contemporaneous, signed, site-specific contract meeting PPSCoP §14.1(a–j).
The document is redacted and lacks:

The landowner’s identity and signature,

The precise boundaries of the site,

The terms of the operator’s authority to issue and enforce PCNs.

This fails the evidential standard required by POPLA and the PPSCoP, and the operator is therefore put to strict proof of their legal standing.
Without proper landowner authority, the operator has no locus standi to enforce charges or pursue them in their own name.

VI. Beavis is distinguishable

The operator relies on ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67, but that case concerned a retail car park with a legitimate interest in space turnover and a prominently signed 2-hour limit.
This case involves a residential estate where the driver was performing a short delivery to residents — not occupying a space for personal use or overstay.

There is no comparable “legitimate interest” in penalising essential service vehicles performing brief unloading tasks. The charge therefore operates as a penalty and is unenforceable on the facts.

VII. Summary

No period of parking has been evidenced – only ANPR entry/exit timestamps.

Jopson v Homeguard establishes that unloading is not parking.

Signage fails to communicate terms for deliveries and applies only to residents.

No keeper liability – the operator admits PoFA does not apply.

No evidence of landowner authority in compliance with PPSCoP.

No legitimate interest comparable to Beavis; the charge is punitive.

Failure to comply with PPSCoP grace and fairness provisions.

For all these reasons, the appeal must be upheld and the Parking Charge cancelled.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: Dave65 on October 13, 2025, 04:34:11 pm
As advised challenge all their statements you can.

The signage makes no allowance for deliveries to residents, this must be challenged and the appropriate court case stated.
The signage only refers to residents.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: jfollows on October 13, 2025, 02:53:45 pm
Out of their 39 pages of stuff,
These seem to be the primary points in your arguments against them. If you leave their statements unchallenged it will be used against you.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on October 13, 2025, 02:47:49 pm
@b789 would you be able to suggest next step in light of evidence they provided?
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on October 08, 2025, 01:25:51 pm
Hi Wizards,

I have got an email from POPLA that Parking eye has provided their evidence in response to our appeal and we have 7 days to provide any comments on the evidence they have provided.

Here is the link of the word file provided by Parking eye to POPLA:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18pm8KF_J9oo3MbjLxNyqWETT_AFF4FNm/edit?usp=drive_link&ouid=108665786253586483300&rtpof=true&sd=true

Can you please advise the next step?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on September 19, 2025, 06:25:02 pm
@b789 Thanks for the final amends much appreciated.

I've gone ahead and appealed to POPLA today, will update when they upload their evidence.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: b789 on September 19, 2025, 12:06:33 pm
Here is a slightly tidier body for the appeal:

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I. Introduction

I am the registered keeper. I deny liability and appeal in full. The vehicle was engaged in Amazon parcel deliveries at Forest Housing Association. The stop was brief and solely for unloading parcels to residents. That activity is not “parking”, and no enforceable charge arises.

II. Grounds of Appeal

1. Delivery/unloading is not “parking”
In Jopson v Homeguard Services Ltd [2016] B9GF0A9E (Oxford County Court, HHJ Harris QC, appeal), the court explained that “parking” means leaving a vehicle for a duration beyond that needed for getting in or out, loading or unloading. The judge stated that merely stopping is not parking, and expressly contemplated delivery vehicles carrying out short, necessary unloading. On the facts here, the vehicle paused only to unload parcels and then departed. ANPR images showing entry and exit do not evidence any period of “parking” within the meaning adopted in Jopson. Accordingly, no parking contract arose.

2. No keeper liability – Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (Schedule 4) not complied with
Keeper liability is created only if the operator strictly complies with every applicable requirement of Schedule 4. The Notice to Keeper fails paragraph 9(2)(a) because it does not state a “period of parking”. “Time in car park” derived from ANPR includes driving and brief stopping/unloading, which is not a period of parking. The operator is put to strict proof of full compliance with all other mandatory elements of paragraph 9, including 9(2)(e), 9(2)(f), 9(2)(h), 9(2)(i) and 9(5). Any defect defeats keeper liability. As the keeper, I cannot be held liable.

3. No standing – landowner authority (strict proof)
The operator is put to strict proof of a valid, contemporaneous, unredacted, site-specific contract or lease flowing from the landowner that authorises ParkingEye to manage parking, issue PCNs, and pursue them in its own name. The Private Parking Single Code of Practice (PPSCoP, 17 Feb 2025) section 14.1(a-j) (Relationship with Landowner) sets mandatory minimums: written confirmation identifying the landowner; the precise site/plan and boundaries (and any applicable byelaws); the duration and scope of authority; the detailed parking terms and conditions including any permissions/exemptions; the method of issuing/enforcing PCNs; responsibility for planning/advertising consents; and the operator’s obligations and appeals procedure under the Code. These are preconditions to issuing PCNs. The operator must produce a dated and signed agreement by authorised signatories. Redactions must not obscure the above; generic attestations or agent letters are insufficient unless they evidence compliance with PPSCoP §14.1(a-j).

4. No contract formed – signage incapable of creating a fair and transparent agreement for delivery circumstances
The operator must prove that signage was sufficiently prominent, legible, and positioned so that a delivery driver could read and understand the terms before any alleged contract was formed. At a residential estate where delivery vehicles must briefly stop near entrances, any term purporting to prohibit or penalise short unloading is unreasonable in context and incapable of fair acceptance at the material time. ANPR timestamps do not prove that terms were seen or accepted. Under the Consumer Rights Act 2015 (sections 62–68), terms must be fair and transparent; a term penalising a brief, essential delivery stop is not fair or transparent and should not be enforced.

5. Beavis is distinguishable on facts and purpose
ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 concerned shopper parking at a retail site with a strong legitimate interest in space turnover. This is a residential housing association location and the vehicle performed a short, essential unloading task. There is no comparable commercial justification to penalise a brief delivery stop. Any charge here operates as a penalty rather than a proportionate deterrent linked to a legitimate interest, and is therefore unenforceable on these facts.

6. Private Parking Single Code of Practice – consideration and grace; fair treatment
Under the Private Parking Single Code of Practice (17 February 2025), operators must act fairly and reasonably and must not penalise unavoidable, brief activities such as loading/unloading. The Code distinguishes (i) a consideration period on arrival to read and decide whether to stay (section 5.1) and (ii) a minimum 10-minute grace period after a parking session ends (section 5.2). ANPR “in/out” does not evidence a true period of parking or compliance with these safeguards. Penalising a delivery driver for a short, necessary unload conflicts with these standards.

III. Conclusion

The evidence shows only entry and exit, not a period of parking. On Jopson v Homeguard, the brief stop for unloading was not “parking”, so no contract arose. The NtK fails PoFA Schedule 4 because it does not state a period of parking and the operator has not shown strict compliance with all other requirements; keeper liability therefore fails. The operator has not proved landowner authority, the signage could not form a fair and transparent contract for a short delivery stop, and Beavis is not applicable to these facts. For these reasons, the appeal must be allowed and the charge cancelled.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on September 19, 2025, 10:34:42 am
@b789 I love your description of POPLA assessor, reminds me of when I used to run around the house in my wet nappies.

I agree with your point about "Bulmer v Jopson (2017)", it's not a 2017 case I read it somewhere and added it (looks more like a typo), I will remove it from my final submission.

Do you think after removing above rest of the appeal looks good or would you suggest some more changes?
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: b789 on September 19, 2025, 09:33:40 am
Nice and concise but what is this "Bulmer v Jopson (2017)" you cite? I have never heard of it and it is unpublished.

Jopson v Homeguard is the go-to relevant, persuasive case law.

Remember, the POPLA assessor may be one of the dimmer ones and you need to lead these assessors by the nose to the conclusion you are trying to reach. Assume the assessor is intellectually malnourished or, has a mental age of an infant school pupil. How would you explain why the PCN has been issued unfairly or unlawfully to that pupil. For example...

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This is a story about a busy little van called "Amazon" who went to visit Forest Homes on a weekday morning. The van was full of parcels with names and flat numbers on them, and the driver was careful and kind and wanted to make sure everyone got their things on time. He steered the van slowly through the gate, found a safe place to stop near the entrance, and said, “I will stop here for a short while so I can take the parcels inside”. He did not turn off for a long rest, and he did not wander away to do something else. He simply paused, opened the back, lifted the boxes one by one, and began to carry them to the flats.

Up on a tall pole, a quiet camera watched the road. The camera was very good at taking a picture when the van came in and another picture when the van went out, and it wrote down the clock times in neat little numbers. But the camera could not see the driver carefully walking to the door, could not see the parcels being lifted and signed for, and could not see that the stop was a short and necessary part of the day. The camera only knew “time in” and “time out”, and it did not understand what happened in between.

On the wall by the entrance there was a sign with many words and many rules. The letters were small and the sentences were long, and they were hard to read while doing a quick and careful job. The driver did not stand and study the sign because people were waiting for medicines and books and bits and bobs they needed at home. He chose to work swiftly and safely, and he carried on unloading so that the people in the flats would not be kept waiting. A fair sign should help a driver do a short, important task, not try to catch him out while he is doing good work.

Later, a letter came to the keeper of the van. The letter said, “Pay this charge”, and showed the two pictures with the two times, and it called the whole thing “time in car park”. But the letter did not show a period of parking, because there was no period of parking. There was only a short stop to unload. The law that helps keepers, called the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, asks for a true period of parking if someone wants to make the keeper pay, and a drive in and a drive out with a short unload in between is not that. A camera’s clock does not turn a careful unload into parking; it only shows that a vehicle was somewhere for a while.

There was also another story told before by a wise judge in a case called Jopson v Homeguard. In that story, the judge explained that “parking” means leaving a car for longer than the little time needed to get in or out or to load and unload, and that a quick stop for deliveries is different. He even spoke about delivery vans, which must sometimes pause at doors to carry things inside. The judge’s words fit this story very well, because the van at Forest Homes was doing just that—stopping briefly to unload parcels so that people could receive their goods, and then moving on as soon as the job was done.

The keeper also asked a simple question that is important in places like this: “Who says the company may give out charges here, and where is the paper that proves it?” If a company wants to send letters and collect money, it should be able to show a clear agreement with the landholder, written down properly and not hidden or chopped up, saying it may act in its own name. If there is no such paper, then there is no standing to demand money from drivers who are just doing their work.

Some people might remember a famous story called Beavis, about a very busy shop car park where a charge was used to make sure spaces turned over quickly for shoppers. But this story is not that story. Forest Homes is not a retail park, and a delivery van doing a short, necessary unload is not the same as a shopper who overstays for a long time. There is no special reason here to punish a quick stop that helps residents receive their parcels, and so the lesson from Beavis does not fit these facts.

So our story has a gentle ending. The Amazon van arrived, the driver stopped for a short time, the parcels were carried to the right doors, and the van went away. The camera saw arrival and departure but did not see unloading. The sign was not clear or kind for a quick and necessary task. The letter did not show a period of parking as the law requires, and no proper proof has been shown that the company may claim money in its own name. The earlier judge’s story tells us that unloading is not parking, and that is exactly what happened here. For these simple reasons, the fair and sensible thing is to cancel the charge and let the little van carry on helping people with their parcels.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on September 18, 2025, 06:21:48 pm
Hi Wizards, what do you think about below draft POPLA appeal?

POPLA Verification Code: 6062555711
Vehicle Registration: KN71EYD
PCN Reference: 128753/610483
Issued by: Parkingeye

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I. Introduction
I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. I deny any liability for the parking charge and appeal in full.
The vehicle in question was engaged in Amazon parcel deliveries at Forest housing association. The stop was temporary and solely for the purpose of unloading parcels to residents. This was not “parking.” The charge is invalid and must be cancelled.

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II. Grounds of Appeal
1. Delivery/Unloading is Not Parking
The courts have consistently recognised that delivery or loading/unloading activities do not constitute “parking.”
•   In Jopson v Homeguard Services Ltd [2016] B9GF0A9E (Oxford County Court, HHJ Harris QC), it was held:
“The concept of parking… is that of leaving a car for some duration of time beyond that needed for getting in or out of it, loading or unloading it… Merely to stop a vehicle cannot be to park it; otherwise traffic jams would consist of lines of parked cars. Delivery vans, whether for post, newspapers, groceries, or anything else, would not be accommodated on an interpretation which included vehicles stopping for a few moments for these purposes.”
This case is directly on point. The judge expressly included delivery vans in his ruling.
•   In Bulmer v Jopson (2017, unreported but noted in parking law commentary), this reasoning was reinforced, and the industry has accepted Jopson as binding persuasive authority.
Therefore, a delivery van engaged in active unloading cannot lawfully be treated as “parked.”

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2. Breach of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA)
The Notice to Keeper fails to comply with Schedule 4 of PoFA:
•   It does not specify the period of parking (9(2)(a)). The operator has instead cited “time in car park,” which may include driving, stopping briefly, or unloading — none of which amount to “parking.”
•   Without full PoFA compliance, no keeper liability can arise.

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3. No Evidence of Contract or Landowner Authority
The operator is put to strict proof of:
•   A clear, unambiguous contract with the landowner permitting it to issue charges against delivery drivers;
•   Evidence that the signage is adequate, visible, and allows for the lawful performance of delivery functions without penalty.
Section 14 of the BPA Code of Practice requires clear landowner contracts. Without this, the operator has no standing.

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4. Unreasonable and Unconscionable Charge
The ParkingEye v Beavis [2015] UKSC 67 decision does not apply here. In Beavis, the charge was upheld because of a legitimate commercial interest (ensuring space turnover in a retail car park).
By contrast:
•   This is a residential/housing association site;
•   There is no commercial need to penalise short-term delivery vans;
•   The charge is therefore a penalty, unenforceable at common law.

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5. Industry Codes of Practice and Public Policy
The BPA Code of Practice requires operators to act fairly and reasonably. Penalising a van driver for delivering parcels — an essential and time-bound activity — is neither fair nor reasonable.
Moreover, Government policy (PoFA 2012, DLUHC Private Parking Code of Practice 2022, albeit temporarily withdrawn pending consultation) emphasises that parking controls must not penalise unavoidable activities like loading and unloading.

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III. Conclusion
The driver was engaged in a legitimate, time-limited delivery. This is not “parking” in law. The charge is unsupported by contract, unenforceable under PoFA, contrary to binding persuasive case law (Jopson v Homeguard), and unreasonable under consumer protection principles.
Accordingly, this appeal must be upheld and the charge cancelled.
[Your Name]
Registered Keeper
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: b789 on September 16, 2025, 10:57:28 am
You have 33 days for the date of the appeal rejection to submit a POPLA appeal. Just do a search of the forum for any recent POPLA appeals to get an idea of what you should put in and how to structure a POPLA appeal.

When you think you have something, post it here and we will advise on whether it needs refining.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on September 15, 2025, 05:25:56 pm
@b789 I have received an email from ParkingEye today, they have issued the POPLA code:

Document link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13n0x9m7HRwVB8r1NVfrIhpmk0FbO3HnZ/view?usp=sharing

Can you please advise what should be the next step?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: jfollows on August 08, 2025, 06:37:49 pm
You already said
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There will be no admission as to who was driving,
so this is just an attempt to get you to do otherwise.
Do nothing, and they will reject your appeal but give you a POPLA code.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on August 08, 2025, 06:20:59 pm
@b789, I've received an update to our appeal today, here is the letter they sent us try to scare with their language:
PDF: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JuMURUHC-k67mnUXbNRv0w74ba0DwdQ_/view?usp=drive_link
PIC: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o8wI8ZvOaS5ALAp3g5nucBEXuXByV0Mu/view?usp=drive_link

Could you please advise next step?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on July 23, 2025, 05:53:17 pm
@b789 I have appealed today, Ill update as soon as I receive a reply from them.

Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: b789 on July 22, 2025, 04:01:56 pm
Follow the advice already given.
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on July 22, 2025, 03:51:18 pm
@b789 I do apologize, I have now taken a fresh screenshot of the back of the page, here is the pic which is clear and readable:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1W68IjjDEAeq0WkvRLCfTzs1lO9402bJw/view?usp=drive_link
Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: b789 on July 22, 2025, 03:35:34 pm
Tell your brother to read the Highway Code. Stopping to load or unload on double yellow lines (DYL) is not prohibited. Only if the kerb has the yellow "blips", is it prohibited.

It's impossible to read the first two section of the back of the Notice to Keeper (NtK) you have shown us. Those are the only two parts that matter!

...it seems cruel for them to issue tickets to Van holder when they know they either came to do some work at the address or to drop parcels and stuff.

How does the ANPR know that the van is being used to deliver Amazon packages?

As the driver was loading and unloading, this can be defended if it ever went as far as court. In most cases, it will never get that far, but you have to go through the motions.

For now, simply follow this advice... There is no legal obligation on the known keeper (the recipient of the Notice to Keeper (NtK)) to reveal the identity of the unknown driver and no inference or assumptions can be made.

The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that if the unknown driver is not identified, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known keeper.

Use the following as your appeal. No need to embellish or remove anything from it:

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Subject: Appeal against Parking Charge Notice – [Insert PCN Reference]

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and will be making a formal complaint to your client landowner regarding your predatory conduct.

Your Notice to Keeper (NtK) fails to comply with the mandatory requirements of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), specifically paragraph 9(2)(e)(i). This provision requires the NtK to invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges. Your notice merely states that the driver is liable and instructs the keeper to pass the notice to the driver and provide their details. That is not sufficient. The statutory wording is clear: unless the NtK invites the keeper to pay, you cannot transfer liability. Partial or substantial compliance is legally inadequate.

There will be no admission as to who was driving, and no assumptions or inferences may be drawn. ParkingEye has relied on contract law allegations of breach against the driver only. The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under any misinterpretation of agency law.

Further, the driver was engaged in legitimate loading/unloading activity while delivering packages to multiple units within the complex. This took approximately 23 minutes and falls squarely within the scope of Jopson v Homeguard [2016] B9GF0A9E, where His Honour Judge Harris QC stated:

A milkman leaving his float to carry bottles to the flat would not be ‘parked’. Nor would a postman delivering letters… Any other approach would leave life in the block of flats close to unworkable.

This was a delivery operation, not a breach of any parking terms. Your attempt to penalise such activity is unreasonable and unsupported by law. You have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN.

Title: Re: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: Dave65 on July 22, 2025, 10:18:57 am
If the delivery was to residents of the housing then:

Jopson & Homeguard may come in to the issue.

Regulars will explain.
Title: Forest housing association - E11 2QT - Time in car park
Post by: ahsan on July 21, 2025, 07:07:45 pm
Hi Wizards,

I hope all of you are well.

My brother does Amazon parcel delivery, he had multiple parcel drops at the location, he couldn't have parked the Van on main road as it's double yellow lines all the way.

We have received the ticket that he spent 23 mins and now have to pay £100 (within 14 days £60).

Paying £60 takes pretty much half of his days wages, it seems cruel for them to issue tickets to Van holder when they know they either came to do some work at the address or to drop parcels and stuff.

Ticket can be seen in the GDrive:
Front page: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vR0zfAN3k6w24_eoChilJaPDp0LAj0RY/view?usp=drive_link
Back page: https://drive.google.com/file/d/18M4OH33F-1SFYlfoMsUq4GGj2kewwlFA/view?usp=drive_link

GSV:
https://tinyurl.com/343aypz5

Ticket issued by and can be viewed at:
https://portal.parkingeye.co.uk
Parking Charge Reference: 128753/610483
Vehicle Registration Number: KN71EYD

Can you please suggest if something can be done about this ticket?