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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Supastar on July 18, 2025, 09:46:15 am

Title: Re: Lambeth, code 52, failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of vehicle (LTN), Ferndale Road
Post by: Hippocrates on July 22, 2025, 12:31:37 pm: Quote from: Supastar on July 22, 2025, 09:19:38 am
Thank you Stamfordman and Incandescent.

I have no issue going to tribunal! Will make informal reps and wait for the inevitable rejection.

PM sent. Formal not informal - one chance. Please screenshot the payment page and report back as there is another avenue of argument.
Title: Re: Lambeth, code 52, failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of vehicle (LTN), Ferndale Road
Post by: Supastar on July 22, 2025, 09:19:38 am: Thank you Stamfordman and Incandescent.

I have no issue going to tribunal! Will make informal reps and wait for the inevitable rejection.
Title: Re: Lambeth, code 52, failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of vehicle (LTN), Ferndale Road
Post by: Incandescent on July 21, 2025, 10:27:56 pm: +1
Councils have a duty to maintain signs that form part of their duties in introducing Traffic Orders under Regulation 18 of the The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18

So, as Stamfordman says, you have a solid challenge, because the cameras show the vandalised signs, so if they show this, why haven't the council repaired the signs instead of issuing a PCN ?
Only problem is that to test this, you'll inevitably have to take them to London Tribunals as councils just reject every representation, because they know that almost all people then just cough-up to get the discount.
Title: Re: Lambeth, code 52, failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of vehicle (LTN), Ferndale Road
Post by: stamfordman on July 21, 2025, 10:11:31 pm: Signs do indeed look blanked presumably by anti-low traffic vigilantes so you have a solid challenge.

There is one small sign showing but it's too small.

(https://i.ibb.co/PGrg43x2/498e9289-02d0-41da-ba6b-6f485221cae1-ezgif-com-video-to-gif-converter.gif)

(https://i.ibb.co/DgHKwXLh/Screenshot-2025-07-21-at-22-13-39.png)
Title: Re: Lambeth, code 52, failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of vehicle (LTN), Ferndale Road
Post by: Supastar on July 21, 2025, 09:36:36 pm: Evening all, any ideas on this?
Title: Re: Lambeth, code 52, failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of vehicle (LTN), Ferndale Road
Post by: Supastar on July 18, 2025, 09:56:18 am: The Google street view doesn't help as it was updated 2 years ago

https://maps.app.goo.gl/C5bwREw1tEZg1dzb8?g_st=ac
Title: Lambeth, code 52, failing to comply with prohibition on certain types of vehicle (LTN), Ferndale Road
Post by: Supastar on July 18, 2025, 09:46:15 am: Hi all. I'd be very grateful for any advice.

I've been issued a PCN for my vehicle allegedly going through LTN barrier. However the no entry signs had been crossed out. Is this a valid PCN?

The driver passed no signs advising they were going in/in an LTN zone. They turned right into Concanon Road from Acre Lane, then right onto Stantley Street, left on to Allardyce then left onto Ferndale Road.

I purposely went back to take pictures of these junctions and no signs are there.

I've had conflicting views on whether this is enforceable or not so thought I'd ask here. Thank you. Pictures on links:

https://ibb.co/Q7d7ZVsg
https://ibb.co/pBVPWzhJ
https://ibb.co/JWPwBrXb
https://ibb.co/XkGpfS2W

https://ibb.co/cX3FmnVf
https://ibb.co/Kz2gHfpf
https://ibb.co/MD4JzdPx
https://ibb.co/ZjXdkMX
https://ibb.co/C3sz9JX1

Thanks for any help.