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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Ahmedyali on July 15, 2025, 04:43:17 pm

Title: Re: TfL - Clapton - 46: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway), Red route and PCN issued via camera opera
Post by: Incandescent on July 18, 2025, 12:50:45 am

In terms of using CCTV on a Red Route, Tfl won a case in the High Court that overturned a London Tribunals adjudication allowing an appeal against use of CCTV.

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HOwever, there are other aspects to TfL PCNs, and you really do need input from cp8759. Why not PM him.

Title: Re: TfL - Clapton - 46: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway), Red route and PCN issued via camera opera
Post by: Ahmedyali on July 17, 2025, 11:57:40 pm

Bumping this for help

Title: TfL - Clapton - 46: Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway), Red route and PCN issued via camera operator
Post by: Ahmedyali on July 15, 2025, 04:43:17 pm

Hi all,

I've received a PCN from TfL for stopping where prohibited on a red route (Code 46), enforced via CCTV.

I've linked all images of the PCN and accompanying papers (> imgur LINK (https://imgur.com/a/V1vwlE6) <). I'm still within the representation period and would appreciate any advice on how best to approach the following:

Location: Outside 93–95A Upper Clapton Road, E5
Date and time of alleged contravention: 07/07/2025 at 08:53
Enforcement method: CCTV
Date of PCN: 14 July 2025

I'm aware that earlier cases (e.g. Commercial Plant Services Ltd v TfL) challenged the use of postal PCNs for red route contraventions, but I understand this may have changed following the High Court decision in [2023] EWHC 2889 (Admin).

Could anyone clarify the current position?

Can the CCTV enforcement method still be challenged in Code 46 cases like mine?

If not, are there updated or alternative grounds I should consider (e.g. signage, loading activity, exemptions)?

I read cp8759’s comment that there are newer appeal points that work better (final post in this thread: link (https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tfl-camden-46-stopped-where-prohibited-(on-a-red-route-or-clearway)-red-route-an/15/)) – could anyone explain what those are and if they apply in my case?

I also checked Google Street View and can see that the signage at that location clearly states loading is only permitted between 10am and 4pm. Since I stopped at 08:53, I was outside the permitted hours.

Thanks in advance for your help.