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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Keith68 on July 14, 2025, 09:15:41 pm
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Originally the CAB put a letter of complaint to them. They wasn't very hopeful and wasn't impressed with the council. Ive recently contacted CEO of the housing, local councilor, ceo of council and lead councilor. I think there's 13 pcns in total not 100 percent sure. I would like to take them to court for harassment. If they don't take Myeloma Cancer into concern regards health, then they do deserve to be sued. Its disgusting really.
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No harm in complaining to the council znd getting your councillors involved, but if you don't follow the process to its ultimate end, adjudication at the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, you'll end up with bailiffs at your door demanding a lot of money.
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It's the area but on a bigger scale, the estate is just before the mechanics. Its a private housing estate owned by Places 4 people, before that it was called North British housing. Its got 4 sections in total with obviously parking for all areas. It is permit but I'm a tenant and they were ticketing me whilst I was going toughest stage of Myeloma Cancer. The council can quash PCNs regarding health. But I don't trust the council. After all Nottingham was one of the first city's to declare itself bankrupt due to investment in a energy company that went into liquidation.
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https://www.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/appeals-process-parking-england/
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@Keith68
Does this map include the place(s) where you were parked?
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Peel+St,+Nottingham+NG1+4ES/@52.9605286,-1.1534376,17z/data=!4m6!3m5!1s0x4879c18225429fcd:0xd429cf39f2143155!8m2!3d52.9603842!4d-1.1520725!16s%2Fg%2F1td2tf4y?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDczMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
If "Yes" can you pinpoint where you were parked and reply with a link to it?
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Adjudicator ?
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If 'It's not a road' then why 'I tried to get a permit'?
As far as 'I now have reason to believe a dodgy deal has taken place between Nottingham City Council and my housing association' is concerned, the less said the better.
If where you park is not a 'road', then take your argument to the adjudicator.
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It's not a road do I need to take photos of the area in question? and upload ? It's not my fault that NCC can't tell the difference between a road and a housing estate. Don't bother replying if you are unable to help.
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This is unnecessary and doesn't deal with the issue.
Your car has been served with PCNs for parking on a road(not housing estate but a road) where a permit is required but without displaying a valid permit. Somehow you've received Orders for Recovery and yet not any of the underlying Notices to Owner.
Don't play with the system because if it bites it's going to hurt.
You cannot continue to park on a (public) road without complying with the contextual restrictions, if any.
It is a criminal offence to sign a statement of truth if the conditions do not apply.
Being annoyed at the council isn't one of those conditions.
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I now have reason to believe a dodgy deal has taken place between Nottingham City Council and my housing association. Obviously I can't prove this, but another tenant on the estate but with different housing association for his flat. He was a landscape gardener for the housing association and has quit his job over this as was told there's 4 parking spaces for staff but that would mean he carrying gardening equipment from one part of the estate to another. All other work/repairs have permits to park. There's just something not quite right about all of this. There's something that leaves a nasty taste in my mouth. Ive received another 5 TECS today. I not sent reply to the four notes I presume 28 days so I will max this out to my advantage. Ive emailed the housing association asking for copies both digital and paper regards what my rent includes. I will contact CEO of the council and the leaders but I think I need to find out who the CEO of the housing association is also.I have contacted the housing about this matter and had a email from my housing officer saying she couldn't help. They can't help or don't want to help?
I would like to ask if anyone has took a council to court over something maybe like this or illegal activity regarding a council. Obviously I will need to build a case against them. The tenant I mentioned has been collecting evidence against the housing association in question and told me he intends to sue. I don't want to stay in Nottingham, I want out and this flat I can't make home not after sharing the flat with my mum since 1982 and I wouldn't;t want to stay in a city that run by a council who only interest is money. I don't really have a family here but I do have the flats stuff that my late mum left me.
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OP, this is about the law and procedure. You posted:
So far I have had 6 pcns ruled in my favour by the traffic enforcement centre, but this hasn't stopped the council issuing me with 6 new pcns for £70 each. I have to post a further 2 witness statements to the traffic enforcement centre and I might have another 4 arriving in the post at some point.
The council are making my life a absolute misery, I can't live a life no more for this constant bullying, harassment from the council.
No, TEC doesn't 'rule in your favour'. If you submit a witness statement in time, in your case that you did not receive a NTO, then they will simply and procedurally revoke the OfR and cancel the CC.
That you appear to have received the Orders for Recovery in respect of NTOs which without exception you have not received might seem strange. In any event, the authority are now sending new NTOs.
You now have (at least some of) these NTOs therefore you need to deal with them. IMO, extra-procedural complaints is not the route to take. You must deal with the NTOs.
I am not unsympathetic to your situation - which is still unclear - but you must, with our help, deal with the matters procedurally.
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I originally tried everything my housing they didn't want to know. CAB, mp, im sitting on 4 new pcns after the court ruled in my favour. You get 28 days to reply dont you ? So im going to max this out, im in no rush. Soon as you reply you just get rejection letters. So I might as well put some space between me and the council. Nottingham City Council was one of the first councils to declare themselves bankrupt after they invested all the money into a energy company that folded. Thanks
Get hold of that councillor, and while you're at it, send a letter of complaint to the council leader and the CEO
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I originally tried everything my housing they didn't want to know. CAB, mp, im sitting on 4 new pcns after the court ruled in my favour. You get 28 days to reply dont you ? So im going to max this out, im in no rush. Soon as you reply you just get rejection letters. So I might as well put some space between me and the council. Nottingham City Council was one of the first councils to declare themselves bankrupt after they invested all the money into a energy company that folded. Thanks
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So if I had a heart attack and was in intensive care, would I be expected to move my car ?
Obviously not, but a passing CEO who knows nothing about your illness sees a car in contravention, and will slap a PCN on the car. The process assumes everybody is in good health and able to response to all enforcement documents. Clearly your health has prevented you from replying as expected.
If it were me, I'd get in touch with my local councillor and give him the facts. He will probably get the hounds off you, but you do have to get that permit to stop getting more and more PCNs. Maybe contacting your councillor will speed things up.
I wish you all the best with your recovery, and with this case.
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I have uploaded all documents at my disposal. I also stated that I was ticketed by the council for not having a permit on a residential housing association car park by a council who doesn't own the land. I will obviously have to look elsewhere if your are unable to help.
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So if I had a heart attack and was in intensive care, would I be expected to move my car ?
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I've supplied what I have. I live with a private housing association. Places for People obviously that would make that private land and a private car park. But its also a controlled area and is patrolled by the council. I am diagnosed with Myeloma Cancer also. So I was dealing with that when I started to get ticketed. I cant even remember getting a letter about a permit renewal and like I said the council rejected my applications as council tax was out of date. I mentioned I lost my mum and I was working with Myeloma cancel just to keep the flat going as mums money was in probate. The day that cleared I was diagnosed with Myeloma Cancer, came off all work. I was living off sick pay to I managed to get pip and later ESA. It wasnt easy at all. You don't tend to think about parking permits when you get diagnosed with Myeloma Cancer.
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Hi
I added copies of documents will do location later, just got home.
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https://nottingham.tarantoportal.com/PCN/MainDisplay
These are the PCN locations, dates etc.
OP, you were parked on-street without displaying a valid permit.
Why would you park on-street in such circumstances?
You refer to applying for a permit, but before or after the first PCN? You mention an out-of-date council tax letter which to me implies that maybe the council tax was still in your late mother's name.
Is your flat in a 'permit-free' development or are you entitled to apply for a permit as of right?
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So far I have had 6 pcns ruled in my favour by the traffic enforcement centre, but this hasn't stopped the council issuing me with 6 new pcns for £70 each.
You have totally misunderstood the process of submitting Witness Statements to TEC. If these are accepted, they do not cancel the PCN, all that is cancelled is the Charge Certificate and the Order for Recovery. You still have to either pay the NtOs they have issued, or submit representations.
So far, we know absolutely NOTHING about why these PCNs might have been served originally, so we need to see an original PCN, or at least one of the NtOs. You have yet to show us either of these; all your latest post consist of is letters from TEC and letters from Nottingham saying they are obliged to serve the NtOs. So let's see one, please.
You have also not really given us a full story on why these PCNs were served, hence we need to see the PCNs or the NtOs.
Sorry, but we're trying to help, but are still mostly in the dark, I'm afraid
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https://imgur.com/a/ZsTjeM3
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If the PCNs are all for a single location and contravention, just post up one of the PCNs with its associated correspondence. You can list the others if you want, by PCN Number and date. We may want to see some of them later. Remember, only blank out name and address. Nottingham City Council are renowned as one of the most venal and rapacious councils in England outside London.
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Yes obviously my health did play a big part in my situation. You prioritise your health being number 1. Sorry about your wife i hope she gets the support and treatment she needs. It's a long process, I will try and get some evidence up, I only joined the forum yesterday.
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Very, very, sorry indeed to read about your problems with cancer, as my wife has also suffered with a different form of cancer, and it really is a life-changing event in every way. I do hope you recover. However, this doesn't help us help you because you have posted no documents at all, so can you please post at least one of the PCNs and its associated enforcement documents. Only redact name and address.
However, reading between the lines, this looks like a case of you leaving your car parked somewhere and being unable to move it or do anything about getting a permit for it due to your ill health; is this correct ?
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Hi
I've only just joined this site after being recommended from the Martin Lewis site.
In August 2023 I lost my mum who I lived with the majority of my life. We moved into the flat NG1 4ES in 1982 - owned by a private housing association - Places 4 People as they are now called now. Obviously I took over the tenancy from my mum.
June 2024 I was diagnosed with Myeloma Cancer, I had 5 hairline fractures in my back caused by the Myeloma cells attacking the calcium in my back. By July that had risen to 7, obviously I had to come off work and was helped to get pip and ESA. I was having to attend the hospital weekly and am still under them. Towards the end of the year the treatment stepped up a notch took had to have a Hickman line inserted for a Stem Cell Transplant. After that I had to go through the Stem Cell Collection 4 days 9 to 5 attached to a machine that collected my Stem Cells. December 3rd I had a Stem Cell Transplant meeting where I was told 3 percent chance of death, he was worried about my hernia, if I caught a infection I could end up on critical care. 14 December I started getting ticketed by Nottingham City Council one after another. I tried to get a permit but it took the council a whole month to reject my application due to a out of date council tax letter. I think this happened on a couple of occasions. Eventually I went to CAB to get help with this, they did write a letter of complaint to the Council as they felt this resolved a lot quicker.
So far I have had 6 pcns ruled in my favour by the traffic enforcement centre, but this hasn't stopped the council issuing me with 6 new pcns for £70 each. I have to post a further 2 witness statements to the traffic enforcement centre and I might have another 4 arriving in the post at some point.
The council are making my life a absolute misery, I can't live a life no more for this constant bullying, harassment from the council. Thinking about this treatment or the typing out of documents or photo copying my medical documents. I now want to leave my birth city, i need help as this just isn't going away. Ive tried everything why should I have to pay the council for living on a private housing association?
I typed this via laptop I can take pics of court letters and upload if necessary same with medical documents. Does not the Council realise if I not received treatment from the hospital I would be dead now, that's how serious Myeloma Cancer is, there's no current cure but it is treatable.