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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: theeagleman on July 11, 2025, 12:40:21 am
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Thanks!
and Great film!
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No worries. Just watching Reservoir Dogs! I'll PM you tomorrow.
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I really appreciate that!
But I can see you have A LOT ON YOUR PCN PLATE right now, and I do not wish to add more burden :(
If you are able to guide me, I am happy to do it, and learn along the way :)
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Hold fire please. This needs one of us to represent you and file the appeal. I am available and willing.
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The usual failure to consider so you know what my advice is. ;D
Indeed...
I will lodge the initial tribunal appeal.
I guess the main reason is:
The penalty charge exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case
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The usual failure to consider so you know what my advice is. ;D
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Sorry for late response
Inital Reps + NoR 1
(https://i.ibb.co/jZMqcYhv/PCN-1-Appeal-Initial.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/sfqnyNG/PCN-1-No-R.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/5Wt5b3z5/IMG-7069.jpg)
Inital Reps + NoR 2
(https://i.ibb.co/XxYwdT5y/PCN-2-Appeal-Initial.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/LDjQwzyS/PCN-2-No-R.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/d0Fp1rBz/IMG-7071.jpg)
Thanks!
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Please show the NORs.
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Lambeth have as expected rejected both appeals - same rejection on both appeals.
on NoR it states 14 days it will go 160, and 28 days it will be 240.
Site states this Friday it will be 240 (The demands on their site as per below)
(https://i.ibb.co/RpFQ19Xg/JC-Central.jpg)
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The issue on which to win is the website.
Is this based on after the initial reps, on their site giving a demand?
or is the current demand a potential technicality?
For PCN 1. Discount option runs out on Sunday, so any draft you can point me to to file, would be grateful.
Vague locus another?
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The issue on which to win is the website.
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This advance sign is against you : -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/SP2Bgc47tPahQotr8
The traffic lights have a straight ahead arrow beside the green phase light which has a green straight ahead arrow as well:-
https://maps.app.goo.gl/cHMpruunck7VTrtr6
So your case is not strong, in my opinion.
Thank you for your opinion.
I agree.
However, does the second PCN have a case for "continuing contravention"? in your view
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This advance sign is against you : -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/SP2Bgc47tPahQotr8
The traffic lights have a straight ahead arrow beside the green phase light which has a green straight ahead arrow as well:-
https://maps.app.goo.gl/cHMpruunck7VTrtr6
So your case is not strong, in my opinion.
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Instructions are to not redact PCN Number and vehicle registration on PCNs, as it means we can't go and look at the photos and in this case, the video, the sole evidence.
Also, please post a GSV link to the location, because Central Hill is a long street. In fact by not specifying the street the driver turned into, you could claim 'vague locus'. A postal PCN is sent to the registered keeper who may not have been driving at the time. This has won appeals in the past at London Tribunals.
Sorry, I am still in the old way of thought with the previous forum.
PCN 1
(https://i.ibb.co/TBx0ZVVg/PXL-20250710-223005868.jpg)
PCN 2
(https://i.ibb.co/kgkHF6DN/PXL-20250710-223036020.jpg)
GSV Location - https://maps.app.goo.gl/6HyQs3DLZZePeYw56
Turned left on Gipsy Hill
OP, the vehicle is used commercially which invites the questions:
who is the registered keeper?
if your friend, is the PCN addressed to them personally or in a business capacity?
Registered keeper is in my friends name and address, and PCN was personally addressed.
Nothing in a business capacity in relation to the RK (it is used for that though)
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OP, the vehicle is used commercially which invites the questions:
who is the registered keeper?
if your friend, is the PCN addressed to them personally or in a business capacity?
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Instructions are to not redact PCN Number and vehicle registration on PCNs, as it means we can't go and look at the photos and in this case, the video, the sole evidence.
Also, please post a GSV link to the location, because Central Hill is a long street. In fact by not specifying the street the driver turned into, you could claim 'vague locus'. A postal PCN is sent to the registered keeper who may not have been driving at the time. This has won appeals in the past at London Tribunals.
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Hello,
A friend got 2 x PCN for the same contravention. No idea what they were thinking, given how clear the signage is
PCNs and website payment demand below
PCN 1
(https://i.ibb.co/y3Psvph/PCN-1.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/3H8DYH5/PCN-1-Screen-Edit.jpg)
PCN 2
(https://i.ibb.co/PZQxqt0S/PCN-2.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/QvMPvt3S/PCN-2-Screen-Edit.jpg)
Appeal for PCN 1 (very weak)
PCN Validity – Collateral challenge
The demands on the PCN website made are deemed excessive on screen website (see above)...
I do note that a few by Hippocrates has been won upon NoR and then at tribunal showing excessive
Appeal for PCN 2
That the penalty charge exceeded the amount applicable in the circumstances of the case.
Continuing Contravention
The above PCN were sent sequentially, however I was not aware of the initial PCN XXXXXX. Thus it would be deemed disproportionate to punish multiple times, as the driver was not aware.
I would like to draw your attention to the following case:
2160273606
The appellant does not deny the contravention but states that he was travelling to Highgate hospital and was a stranger to the area and made the same mistake twice in one day as a consequence of which he received two PCN's
I am satisfied form the evidence that the contravention did occur. However I also find that as the there is a time lag in issuing a PCN by post, a motorist can unwittingly continue to make the same mistake until they receive notification of the PCN and in these circumstances I find the second PCN issued to be a continuing contravention and allow the appeal in relation to the second PCN under case number 2160273606 but refuse the first PCN issued under case number 2160273661
In light of the aforementioned, I was not aware of any subsequent PCN thus ask for this PCN to cancelled.