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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Chaseman on July 07, 2025, 10:54:37 am
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Well, no great surprise they have rejected my challenge. They are giving me another 21 days to pay at the discounted rate. I can't see an obvious way out on this one unless anyone can spot a technical error somewhere
https://imgur.com/a/YdpujJM
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I have challenged online to say "no photographic evidence on PCN". It may not be a winner but it should delay things and with luck they will reoffer the discount.
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I have one of these PCNs and will speak privately about the PCN and their website.
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Believe it or not, PCNs don't have to include photos. Their sole evidence that they will include in their evidence to London Tribunals is the video. They have put the video and some frame from it on their website, even though that is also not a legal requirement. All they are required to do in law is show you the video at their offices by appointment.
So, no, not a valid ground for any appeal. It's difficult to say what you might appeal on, there might be a technical appeal based on Wandsworth mismanagement of the enforcement process. This is nothing to do with the actual contravention. So wait a bit to see what others say, but don't miss the deadline on the PCN for payment or appealing
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Have received a PCN for no right turn off Clapham Common North Side into Stormont Road. I do recall the occasion - I was trying to reach the BP station further along North Side and to avoid going around a section of One Way I turned into Stormont Road and came back up Sugden Road which has the BP station on its right as it joins North Side. Unfortunately there is a No Right Turn sign on CCNS just before the Stormont Road turning and the CCTV is positioned within Stormont Road. The reason I failed to notice it - although it's no excuse - is that Wandsworth Council a few years back made every single turning off CCNS into streets to the north No Right Turns if heading west. There must have been pushback from residents whose every trip to the shops in Clapham High Street must have been made a nightmare on the return. So anyway the No Right Turn signs soon disappeared but this one remained and I had simply blanked it out.
The argument I have for contesting the ticket is that the PCN contains no images at all of the "offence". There's a series of blank boxes - so to my mind the rubric "The PCN is being served by post on the basis of a record produced by an approved device" offers no such evidence. The reference that is given further down to the Wandsworth website is described as being purely for making payment, not for viewing the evidence. I have been on the website and CCTV does clearly show my car making the right turn with still images alongside. However, my contention is that the PCN should contain all the evidence and directions to assert the penalty and provide for payment or appeal, rather than one having to go to another source for such details. And in this case the PCN does not even direct one to the website in order to view the evidence, you only find it if you go looking there for ways to pay.
Does this look like a valid ground for challenge?
Here's the PCN
https://imgur.com/a/Z2KVuAH
Here's the GSV
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Stormont+Rd,+London/@51.4612683,-0.1550837,3a,75y,288.75h,85t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sSOG-XpHlcJSNItUjtiKecg!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D5.002966378262158%26panoid%3DSOG-XpHlcJSNItUjtiKecg%26yaw%3D288.7523834344577!7i16384!8i8192!4m6!3m5!1s0x487605a4dc9c0105:0xb057805e06e19e51!8m2!3d51.4633698!4d-0.15603!16s%2Fg%2F1tdd99xz?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYzMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D