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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: Hyperspeed101 on July 02, 2025, 09:57:47 am

Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: b789 on November 27, 2025, 02:10:31 pm
Just show us the letter rather than paraphrasing it. You blew away the single defence that would have stopped this dead in its tracks when you blabbed the identity of the driver.

Moorside may be a bunch of incompetents but they will issue a claim. The best hope with a Moorside Legal issued claim is that it may get struck out because they never comply with CPR 15.4(1)(a) in their Particulars of Claim (PoC). However, that is not a guarantee.

They will also submit a WS written by one of their muppet paralegals, which will be hearsay and advocacy which can be argues should be disregarded.

Show the letter so a suitable response can be provided which can later be used against them for breach of the PAPDC.
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: InterCity125 on November 27, 2025, 08:15:26 am
All you need do is sit and relax.

Moorside are pee'd off because their bulling tactics aren't working. Worse still, you're making them work for money which they're never going to get.

Pre-action protocol requires that they DO provide you with information which you might require to better understand their position - so keep that letter safe as it shows their unreasonable behaviour.

They are only interested in the money.
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: Hyperspeed101 on November 26, 2025, 05:11:40 pm
So as you correctly predicted, they have sent an email querying the email as to why I would need to inspect any agreement between the client and the landowner, and continued to proceed to outline the reason for the charges.

They have however attached 3 photos of the infringement highlight the car is 50 seconds over the allotted time.

In terms of next steps, they've mentioned that they will not be addressing any further correspondence related to disputes of the same nature as well as issue me to pay the fine.

Can you please advise as to what to do for next steps please?
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: b789 on November 05, 2025, 06:28:51 pm
Depending on your local county court, these typically take anything from 9-12+ months to conclusion. Just get on with your life in the meantime. This will never reach a hearing stage.
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: DWMB2 on November 05, 2025, 10:47:01 am
They should respond to your LoC reply answering your queries. They're more likely to respond fobbing off your queries. At some point after that, they're likely to actually issue a claim, which you will then defend. It's difficult to say how long the overall process will take - the County Court system is over-capacity - if you have a browse on the forum you'll see how other cases have progressed. These things are usually measured in months rather than weeks.
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: Hyperspeed101 on November 05, 2025, 10:31:41 am
Apologies for the delay.

I've made the complaint to both ICO and BPA. I've also taken your advice and emailed Moorside with the below text you have provided. What are the next anticipated steps from Moorside, and is there any timelines in relation to how long this could take to be completely finished?

Am mindful it's been 7 months since the initial "infringement".
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: b789 on November 01, 2025, 06:02:36 pm
Did you make the advised complaints to the ICO and British Parking Association?

Absolutely nothing to worry about. Even if they issue a claim, it is their loss once it gets struck out or discontinued. Respond to the LoC with the following to help@moorsidelegal.co.uk and CC yourself:

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Subject: Response to your Letter of Claim Ref: [reference number]

Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of the evidence your client places reliance upon, putting it in clear breach of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

As a supposed firm of solicitors, one would expect you to comply with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions exist to facilitate informed discussion and proportionate resolution. You may wish to reacquaint yourselves with them.

The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols (Part 3), require the exchange of sufficient information to understand each other’s position. Part 6 clarifies that this includes disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.

Your template letter refers to a “contract” yet encloses none. That omission undermines the only foundation upon which your client’s claim allegedly rests. It is not possible to engage in meaningful pre-litigation dialogue while you decline to furnish the very document you purport to enforce.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with para 3.1(a), I shall seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required. Accordingly, please provide:

1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) and any notice chain relied upon to assert PoFA 2012 liability.

2. A copy of the contract you allege exists between your client and the driver, being an actual photograph of the sign(s) in place on the material date (not a stock image), together with a site plan showing the sign locations.

3. The precise wording of the clause(s) allegedly breached.

4. The written agreement between your client and the landowner evidencing standing/authority to enforce and to litigate.

5. A breakdown of the sums claimed, identifying whether the principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and whether the £70 “debt recovery” add-on includes VAT.


I am entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction, and I require it to meet my own obligation under paragraph 6(b).

If you fail to provide the above, I will treat that as non-compliance with the PAPDC and Pre-Action Conduct and will raise a formal complaint to the SRA regarding your conduct. I reserve the right to place this correspondence before the Court and to seek appropriate sanctions and costs (including, where appropriate, a stay and/or other case management orders).

Until your client complies and provides the requested material, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim or to consider my position. It would be premature and a waste of costs and court time to issue proceedings. Should you do so, I will seek immediate case management relief pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order compelling provision of the above.

Please note, I will not engage with any web portal; I will only respond by email or post.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: jfollows on November 01, 2025, 11:36:00 am
Yes, it’s viewable.
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: Hyperspeed101 on November 01, 2025, 11:17:28 am
(https://i.postimg.cc/zvDH7tVk/LBC.jpg)


I'm hoping this works, please let me know if it's viewable. Thanks
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: InterCity125 on November 01, 2025, 11:09:00 am
Post a picture of the LoC redacting personal info.

There is no rush so just relax.
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: Hyperspeed101 on November 01, 2025, 09:52:05 am
I appreciate it's been a couple of months since my last post but I've just recently received a "Letter Before Claim" from Moorside Legal.

It's predominantly stating that I have an unpaid invoice of £170. It threatens of a CCJ, and on the letter only gives 3 options of contact for paying and I need to reply within 30 days. Letter is dated 21st of October, I've only just returned from a week away to receive this letter.

What are the advisable next steps? I'm conscious that nowhere on their letter does it include an email address to contact them so not sure how to reply to this to dispute it?
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: DWMB2 on August 11, 2025, 02:07:39 pm
ICO - Make a Complaint (https://ico.org.uk/make-a-complaint/)

British Parking Association - Complaints (https://portal.britishparking.co.uk/compliance/LogComplaint) or aos@britishparking.co.uk (aos@britishparking.co.uk)
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: Hyperspeed101 on August 11, 2025, 01:48:52 pm
As they hold an incorrect address for you, you MUST send a data rectification notice (DRN) to NCP DPO, instructing them to update your details with your current address for service and to erase your old address. The highlighted words are there for a reason, so use them.
Did you do this? If you've sent a DRN and they haven't replied, you could complain to the ICO about this lack of response. Regarding their lack of response to your other correspondence, you can complain to the British Parking Association.

I did this on the 2nd of July, however, I never received a response and when I spoke with their live chat having received a bounce back from my complaint email, about how I can formally complain, they said the details hadn't been updated on the system and they had no access to it?

In terms of ICO and British Parking Association, any advice in relation to 1.) Best Email address to use and 2.) Content of what I should be including in the email
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: DWMB2 on August 11, 2025, 01:44:14 pm
As they hold an incorrect address for you, you MUST send a data rectification notice (DRN) to NCP DPO, instructing them to update your details with your current address for service and to erase your old address. The highlighted words are there for a reason, so use them.
Did you do this? If you've sent a DRN and they haven't replied, you could complain to the ICO about this lack of response. Regarding their lack of response to your other correspondence, you can complain to the British Parking Association.
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: jfollows on August 11, 2025, 01:22:07 pm
Wait for a Letter of Claim, probably from Moorside Legal, but block Trace Group if you haven’t done so already and have nothing to do with them.
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: Hyperspeed101 on August 11, 2025, 01:06:11 pm
Thank you for all of your advice over the past month, it's definitely helped give me reassurance.

Today, I have received a text message from TraceGroup stating: "pending legal action"- can I assume that the advice remains the same in terms of ignoring them?

What can happen as next steps as I've not received any form of communication from NCP from my 4 attempts of communication on July 4th and July 24th(email), two completed forms, the most recent on the 25th of July which I screen recorded. Any further advice in terms of what to expect would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: b789 on July 29, 2025, 05:07:24 pm
If you've used the form and taken a screenshot of what it is you sent then you have done all you can for now.
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: Hyperspeed101 on July 29, 2025, 03:51:41 pm
In relation to blocking Trace's number, I seen in another thread which I think you were commenting on about potential stating about harrassment so thought if I have a record of it, could help aid me.

I don't have anything other than an automated email for when I've tried to email them. It states "Thank you for your email. This customer service email address is no longer monitored. Please use our other methods of contact below"- all of which send you to their website where you can live chat with an advisor, which is a waste of time, or submit a form, for which you get no email confirmation that you've sent. I've taken a video on my phone of the form I've sent as it will be time stamped but right now, outside of calling them or web chat, I have no means to formally lodge my complaint to act as an appeal?

Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: b789 on July 29, 2025, 03:46:17 pm
Why on earth haven't you just blocked Trace's number?

If you've sent an email and CC'd yourself, then you have proof of delivery and the ball is now in their court.
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: Hyperspeed101 on July 29, 2025, 12:32:18 pm
Thank you for the advice. I've tried speaking with them once more, however their complaints email is no longer being monitored, and the web chat advisors keeping sending me to complete a form which doesn't give you an email confirmation that it's been logged, so despite sending 1 complaint almost 4 weeks ago, and another last week, I've still not receiving communication from them.

Even the DRN email which I sent, doesn't seem to be actioned so am perplexed as to what to do moving forward.

Trace group as still calling me every 3 days for which I took the advice and am ignoring. Any advice as to what I can do as next steps?
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: b789 on July 24, 2025, 03:44:42 pm
You can have a read of the PPSCoP, section 8.4 to understand their obligations with regards to appeals and responses:

BPA/IPC PPSCoP (https://irp.cdn-website.com/262226a6/files/uploaded/sector_single_Code_of_Practice_Version_1.1_130225.pdf)
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: Hyperspeed101 on July 24, 2025, 02:45:49 pm
Would they send you a correspondence to advise that they've dropped it? Any guidance on follow up email as I copied and pasted what you provided to you below for the initial email?
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: b789 on July 24, 2025, 01:30:06 pm
Why wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: Hyperspeed101 on July 24, 2025, 12:57:27 pm
Having followed instructions and sending through the complaint, I've not received any communication back from NCP. With almost 3 weeks having passed, should I be following up with them as I'm still receiving letters through from Trace Group?
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: b789 on July 02, 2025, 05:23:29 pm
As for the DRN to NCP DPO to update details, is it still worth doing it at this current stage? Is there anything specific I need to be including in that mail, or anything I should avoid saying?

As they hold an incorrect address for you, you MUST send a data rectification notice (DRN) to NCP DPO, instructing them to update your details with your current address for service and to erase your old address. The highlighted words are there for a reason, so use them.

Try the complaint anyway. In future, never, ever, reveal the drivers identity for a Parking Charge Notice (PCN) from an unregulated private parking company. Always refer to the driver in the third person. No "I did this or that, only "the driver did this or that".
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: Hyperspeed101 on July 02, 2025, 04:25:35 pm
In terms of my email to the NCP, I have used the words I drove when discussing the exit barriers. I'm assuming that having incriminated myself as the driver, the advice you've given can no longer be used?

I have requested photographs of my entry/exit of the car park but they have yet to provide it. Apologies for making the mistake of contacting them prior to seeking advice but as this is a first occurrence for me, so thought I was taking the correct course of action.

As for the DRN to NCP DPO to update details, is it still worth doing it at this current stage? Is there anything specific I need to be including in that mail, or anything I should avoid saying?

Sorry for the questions, just looking to ensure I follow the correct measures.
Title: Re: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: b789 on July 02, 2025, 03:41:53 pm
What did you say in your email to NCP? As they hold an incorrect address for you, you MUST send a data rectification notice (DRN) to NCP DPO, instructing them to update your details with your current address for service and to erase your old address. The highlighted words are there for a reason, so use them.

Hopefully, you did not blab the drivers identity when you contacted NCP. As the location is not relevant land for the purposes of POFA because the airport is land that is under the statutory control of byelaws, they cannot transfer liability for the charge from the unknown driver to the known Keeper.

As it is too late to appeal, you can try and make a formal complaint, which should be accepted as an appeal under the PPSCoP section 11.2. Use the following as your complaint (assuming you didn't blab the drivers identity when you made contact with NCP):

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Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to submit a formal complaint under Section 11.2 of the Private Parking Sector Code of Practice (PPSCoP), which must also be treated as an appeal against the validity of the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) issued by NCP in relation to Birmingham Airport.

I did not receive the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) as my DVLA keeper details had not yet been updated at the time. However, PPSCoP Clause 11.2 is clear:

"Where a parking operator receives a complaint that it considers to be or include an appeal against the validity of a parking charge, the parking operator must also treat it as an appeal for the purposes of applying the timescales in Clause 8.4..."

This complaint is therefore to be treated as an appeal unless and until it is clear that it is not relevant to the PCN.

No Keeper Liability – Land Not “Relevant” Under PoFA

I am the registered keeper of the vehicle. NCP cannot hold a registered keeper liable for any alleged contravention on land that is under statutory control. Birmingham Airport is not “relevant land” for the purposes of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (PoFA), and NCP is fully aware of this legal limitation.

If Birmingham Airport wished to enforce parking under its own bylaws, that would be a matter for the landowner. However, NCP is not the landowner.

The PCN does not purport to be a penalty under bylaws. The charge is clearly a contractual claim for NCP’s own profit, not a statutory fine.

The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver. There is no legal basis for NCP to pursue the keeper under a distorted interpretation of agency law. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable, and in the absence of driver identification, you have no lawful basis to pursue the keeper.

This complaint is submitted in writing and must be treated as an appeal under PPSCoP 11.2. The PCN is unenforceable against the Keeper due to the land being under statutory control. There is no admission as to the identity of the driver.

You are urged to cancel this PCN to avoid further wasted time and resources. Should you choose not to cancel, I require a full response addressing each of the points raised above, including:

• Confirmation of the date the NtK was actually posted (not just generated).
• Clarification of the legal basis on which you believe keeper liability applies.
• A copy of your contract with the landowner authorising enforcement at Birmingham Airport.

Yours faithfully,

[Your Full Name]
[Your Postal Address]
[Your Email Address]
[Date]
Title: Advice Needed- NCP Birmingham International Airport
Post by: Hyperspeed101 on July 02, 2025, 09:57:47 am
I recently received a debt collector letter through for a parking infringement on the 1st of April this year. I didn't receive the original parking charge correspondences from NCP as my car was registered to a previous address(my own mistake which has now been rectified).

The car park in which was used is Car Park 4, it has 10 minutes free parking to allow drop offs and pick ups. Previously it was ticketed barrier in which you would go to a pay machine to validate/pay your ticket. In April, the system had changed and become automated(the ticket machines are still there, however I'm assuming they've been changed to a enter your reg style  machine), the duration couldn't of been for anything more than 5 minutes as it was a drop off and exit straight away, with the assumption that if there was a need to go to a ticket machine to validate parking, the barrier wouldn't raise. However, the barrier raised, meaning exit straight away, assuming that because this was within the 10 minute window, there was no need to go to a machine.

Having emailed NCP to try and appeal, they're advising me that all correspondence should go to the debt collectors, the debt collectors are sending me to their client.

1.) Do I have valid grounds to appeal this?
2.) What is the best course of action to follow?

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