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Live cases legal advice => Private parking tickets => Topic started by: FeelinRighteous on July 01, 2025, 11:53:59 am

Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: FeelinRighteous on November 30, 2025, 11:58:27 am
Okay awesome,

thank you!
Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: b789 on November 30, 2025, 11:05:23 am
DO NOT use their response form. DO NOT engage with DCB Legal unnecessarily. You MUST refuse to use any portal they offer for engagement. You ONLY engage with them via email or postal letter (their choice).

You never EVER engage with them by phone. If they try to call or text you, just block their number.

Just be patient. They will respond
Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: FeelinRighteous on November 29, 2025, 10:57:04 pm
Thank you so much, I sent this off about a week ago. I haven't had a response, apart from the canned 'we will respond as soon as possible' email, they also say to use the following form, https://dcblegal.co.uk/response/reply-form/

Should I re-add the email into there to make sure they have received?

Thanks again
Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: b789 on November 19, 2025, 06:17:49 am
Respond to the LoC to info@dcblegal.co.uk and CC yourself as follows:

Quote
Subject: Response to your Letter of Claim Ref: [reference number]

Dear Sirs,

Your Letter Before Claim contains insufficient detail of the claim and fails to provide copies of the evidence your client places reliance upon, putting it in clear breach of the Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims.

As a supposed firm of solicitors, one would expect you to comply with paragraphs 3.1(a)–(d), 5.1 and 5.2 of the Protocol, and paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction. These provisions exist to facilitate informed discussion and proportionate resolution. You may wish to reacquaint yourselves with them.

The Civil Procedure Rules 1998, Pre-Action Conduct and Protocols (Part 3), require the exchange of sufficient information to understand each other’s position. Part 6 clarifies that this includes disclosure of key documents relevant to the issues in dispute.

Your template letter refers to a “contract” yet encloses none. That omission undermines the only foundation upon which your client’s claim allegedly rests. It is not possible to engage in meaningful pre-litigation dialogue while you decline to furnish the very document you purport to enforce.

I confirm that, once I am in receipt of a Letter Before Claim that complies with para 3.1(a), I shall seek advice and submit a formal response within 30 days, as required. Accordingly, please provide:

1. A copy of the original Notice to Keeper (NtK) and any notice chain relied upon to assert PoFA 2012 liability.

2. A copy of the contract you allege exists between your client and the driver, being an actual photograph of the sign(s) in place on the material date (not a stock image), together with a site plan showing the sign locations.

3. The precise wording of the clause(s) allegedly breached.

4. The written agreement between your client and the landowner evidencing standing/authority to enforce and to litigate.

5. A breakdown of the sums claimed, identifying whether the principal sum is claimed as consideration or damages, and whether the £70 “debt recovery” add-on includes VAT.


I am entitled to this information under paragraphs 6(a) and 6(c) of the Practice Direction, and I require it to meet my own obligation under paragraph 6(b).

If you fail to provide the above, I will treat that as non-compliance with the PAPDC and Pre-Action Conduct and will raise a formal complaint to the SRA regarding your conduct. I reserve the right to place this correspondence before the Court and to seek appropriate sanctions and costs (including, where appropriate, a stay and/or other case management orders).

Until your client complies and provides the requested material, I am unable to respond properly to the alleged claim or to consider my position. It would be premature and a waste of costs and court time to issue proceedings. Should you do so, I will seek immediate case management relief pursuant to paragraph 15(b) of the Practice Direction and an order compelling provision of the above.

For the avoidance of doubt, my full legal name is [Full Name]. Please correct your records.

Please note, I will not engage with any web portal; I will only respond by email or post.

Yours faithfully,

[Your name]
Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or n
Post by: FeelinRighteous on November 18, 2025, 05:47:27 pm
Hello All!

I now have the Letter of claim, please find image of letter attached, https://postimg.cc/gallery/wppyTJY
What should I do now?

Interestingly they are still using a shortened version of my name not my legal name.

Any help is much appreciated!
Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: jfollows on October 16, 2025, 05:08:58 pm
Ignore everything from DCBL.
Come back when you get a Letter of Claim from DCB Legal.
Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: FeelinRighteous on October 16, 2025, 04:51:30 pm
Hi there,

I've now been passed through to dcbl, have attached the letter. Presuming this is just a first warning before an actual Letter of Claim. Interestingly, they're using a nickname of mine and not my actual legal name, missing about 5 letters. I wonder if I could consider that a major keying error ::)   Do I need to contact them as they ask or just leave it?

Thanks!

https://postimg.cc/Zv9cHz5M

Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: b789 on July 02, 2025, 12:17:29 pm
Just wait for the LoC and then show us.
Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: FeelinRighteous on July 02, 2025, 12:05:38 pm
Ah, I understand now.

Do they have any tactics they employ to get default judgements, or anything to look out for?

Or is it just wait for a letter of claim? iPark have my correct address as I received the NTK there.
Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: DWMB2 on July 02, 2025, 11:56:21 am
Okay great, and the default judgment is in favour of the defendant in that 95%?
You're misunderstanding slightly. They issue thousands of claims every year - a very large proportion of those are ignored by the recipients, meaning the parking companies win by default. When they're making so much money out of the ones that don't put up a fight, they have comparatively little appetite to expend much time and cost with the few that do put up a fight, so discontinue these. The few that do go to hearings tend to be outliers, or claims involving several PCNs, where the potential gain is much larger.
Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: FeelinRighteous on July 02, 2025, 11:34:08 am
Okay great, and the default judgment is in favour of the defendant in that 95%?

I think I wont pay now after this advice!
Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: b789 on July 02, 2025, 11:16:11 am
The modus operandi for DCB Legal is to issue a claim, irrespective of reason. They submit hundreds of thousands of claims every year. Around 95% of those claims end up being a judgment in default. It's an incredible statistic but a very profitable one for them.

The ones that we advise on here and over on MSE and defended, are a drop in the ocean to them. As long as the claim is defended, irrespective of the quality of that defence, it is discontinued or struck out.

They really on the fact that the low hanging-fruit on the gullible tree will either ignore it or pay up out of ignorance and fear. So, don't try and overthink this. It is a known process and you are not going to be the first one that is different.
Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: DWMB2 on July 02, 2025, 09:56:55 am
How would I Park be beaten in my case?
As b789 noted above, I Park usually use DCB Legal to handle their legal action for them. A distinct pattern has emerged over the last few years where as long as a case is defended, almost every case involving DCB Legal ends up getting discontinued before it reaches a hearing, regardless of the merits of the case. You can see a list of 601 examples (at time of writing) here: DCB LEGAL RECORD OF PRIVATE PARKING COURT CLAIM DISCONTINUATIONS (https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6377263/dcb-legal-record-of-private-parking-court-claim-discontinuations/p1). If you search here on FTLA you'll also find a sample of similar cases. We can't provide any guarantees, but so far we've only seen perhaps 2 or 3 cases actually go to a hearing, and these often involve more than a single PCN (more money at stake makes it more worth their while).
Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: FeelinRighteous on July 02, 2025, 09:36:18 am
Thanks for the advice!

Suggesting that you pay even £20 is foolish.
OP - in your case, as you have discovered, we're past the £20 stage, but as above, I Park can nearly always be beaten.

How would I Park be beaten in my case?

Full tariff paid: operator suffered no loss
You'd still need to extinguish Beavis for that.  Some Judges (if it gets that far) may not blink at £100.  Remember if they call it will be in the £250 region by the time they've added mythical charges.

I've seen online that often the additional charges can be dropped too? And would the new ruling on £20 being offered show that this is the proportionate sum for a keying error?

Is it a benefit to my case that I was on my way to a pretty intense medical appointment? I also have diagnosed ADHD which makes me prone to error, particularly under stress (I have proof of appointment and diagnosis.

There's a lot of research into how acute stress can lead to higher rates of human error (30-40%), ADHD which makes human error rate even higher (around 1.5x). There's also a lot of studies showing high anxiety before the type of appointment that I was having. So in essence from a scientific point of view, I was very likely to make a keying error in this state (almost a 50/50 chance). I-Park are well aware their carpark is used by the hospital patients, so their rigidity on the matter seems almost predatory and could be considered exploiting individuals, which is against the consumer rights act? Seeing as their ticket machines offer no indicator to users that they have not keyed in an entire VRN, they haven't provided sufficient assistance to the individuals using their carpark.

I feel like it's a pretty dramatic argument but could help, I could email that to them as I imagine they want to avoid anything to do with this kind of thing? Didn't add any of this to my appeal.

By their own logic, seeing a sign is entering into a contract, they know they are dealing with vulnerable individuals asa the hospital is clearly signed.
Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: DWMB2 on July 01, 2025, 03:47:03 pm
Suggesting that you pay even £20 is foolish.
Although the £20 option is now off the table in this case, pointing out that is is an option that exists in some mis-keying cases is not foolish, and members. Nor is it foolish of people to take that option if they decide that in their circumstances, reluctantly parting with £20 is preferable to the time and faff involved in fighting a court claim.

This forum provides advice on fighting parking charges, not moral judgements.

OP - in your case, as you have discovered, we're past the £20 stage, but as above, I Park can nearly always be beaten.
Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: b789 on July 01, 2025, 03:29:49 pm
I Park Services are easy to beat. They use DCB Legal to issue their claims and any claim issued by DCB Legal, as long as it is defended will be discontinued.

Suggesting that you pay even £20 is foolish. Follow the advice and you won't pay a penny.

Ignore everything from now on unless it is Letter of Claim (LoC) or an actual claim. You can safely ignore all debt recovery letters. Debt collectors are powerless to do anything except to try and persuade the low-hanging fruit on the gullible tree to pay up out of ignorance and fear.
Title: Re: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: JustLoveCars on July 01, 2025, 02:51:53 pm
Full tariff paid: operator suffered no loss
These parasites don't usually collect the tariff.  They only 'enforce' the rules and only get paid for breaches - this is why they won't drop it...

genuine key-entry error with payment should be capped at £20
In their world that's only if you accept that offer to dispose of the matter immediately.  (As you've found out that is lost going to IAS)

Consumer Rights Act 2015: penalties must be fair and proportionate; £100 is excessive
You'd still need to extinguish Beavis for that.  Some Judges (if it gets that far) may not blink at £100.  Remember if they call it will be in the £250 region by the time they've added mythical charges.

Should I hold firm and wait for a Letter Before Claim, or pay the £100 now?
How likely would they be to follow it up with a small claims preceding and how likely would I be to win in a small claims court. I feel I have a pretty good standing but am receiving a lot of different advice.
Only you can decide whether you want to fill their coffers to dispose of it without 'hassle'.  They can clearly attribute the payment to the stay and are now seeking gain for a technicality.

It's likely to become a roboclaim and IMHO the odds are in your favour if you want to invest the time...
Title: I Park Services – Paid 2 hrs but partial VRN - Appeal rejected - guidance on whether to pay or not
Post by: FeelinRighteous on July 01, 2025, 11:53:59 am

I paid for 2 hours at Beckett St hospital car park but, only 4 characters of my VRN were entered.I Park Services want £100 as I appealed with the IAS due to it seeming predatory to uphold such strict terms for a hospital carpark so lost a £20 offer (will just pay this next time). My deadline to pay is 4 July, inclined to pay £100 but seems unjust. Should I sit tight for a Letter Before Claim or just pay?

Details as follows:

Parking company: I Park Services Ltd (IPC member)
Location: Beckett Street hospital car park, Leeds
Date of event: 7 May 2025
NTK received: 9 May 2025
Input error: only the first four characters of the VRN
Fee paid: 2-hour tariff (ticket kept)
Visit reason: hospital appointment

Timeline

7 May: paid for 2 hours; entered only the first four VRN characters

9 May: £100 NTK issued for “No valid payment”

14 May: internal appeal (ticket + explanation) offered reduced rate of £20.

15 May: Appealed with IAS.

20 May: IAS appeal lodged (ticket proof; cited IPC §15.7 and CRA 2015)

28 May: IAS appeal dismissed.

29 May: I offered £20 without prejudice to settle the  (IPC §§14.5 and 15.7)

30 May: I Park reply: “unable to accept £20; charge £100;" refused any further correspondence.

5 Jun: I emailed the hospital parking service and they replied that its private land run by I Park; so trust cannot help.

Current: £100 deadline 4 July.

3 Key points in my favour
Full tariff paid: operator suffered no loss

IPC Code v9 §15.7: genuine key-entry error with payment should be capped at £20

Consumer Rights Act 2015: penalties must be fair and proportionate; £100 is excessive

IAS appeal removed the Code’s £20 option – feels anti-consumer, especially for hospital visitors


Should I hold firm and wait for a Letter Before Claim, or pay the £100 now?
How likely would they be to follow it up with a small claims preceding and how likely would I be to win in a small claims court. I feel I have a pretty good standing but am receiving a lot of different advice.

Evidence linked: https://postimg.cc/gallery/NmfWYLS

Any guidance welcome!